Church Raised Adult Children who Reject their Religion and are Raising Kids Without Church

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

but they can try, especially if they think they're doing a good thing for the child.

Plus old people might not know that parental consent is needed. There are plenty to stories that could have filtered down from grandparents and great-grandparents about Jewish kids being secretly baptized during WWII.

No, they can’t try because no priest or pastor will do it without parental consent and participation. That would negate one of the main points of baptism.

When will you trolls stop lying. You’ve already been told this.

Sure, Grandparents can try to surreptitiously get their grandkids baptized. It may not work, but they can try. They could just be innocently babysitting, then dash the kid off to a Catholic Church thinking that any priest would be more than happy to baptize the poor child of godless parents. Old people can have old ideas.

My MIL did this with my youngest. We were walking on the grounds of the basilica abd she spotted a priest. She asked him to bless my son, which did. They he grilled me about why he’s not baptized.

Do you understand that a blessing is not a baptism, and why did you let her have your son blessed as you were present and could have said no? What did the priest say?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

but they can try, especially if they think they're doing a good thing for the child.

Plus old people might not know that parental consent is needed. There are plenty to stories that could have filtered down from grandparents and great-grandparents about Jewish kids being secretly baptized during WWII.

No, they can’t try because no priest or pastor will do it without parental consent and participation. That would negate one of the main points of baptism.

When will you trolls stop lying. You’ve already been told this.

Sure, Grandparents can try to surreptitiously get their grandkids baptized. It may not work, but they can try. They could just be innocently babysitting, then dash the kid off to a Catholic Church thinking that any priest would be more than happy to baptize the poor child of godless parents. Old people can have old ideas.

Do you understand the difference between trying vs. trying but doomed to failure?

You trolls are ridiculous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

I live in the South and we have a large tub in our church that people are baptized in. It is done during church services on Sundays, in front of our congregation. Our pastor would not baptize anyone in secret, because baptism is like a wedding or funeral. These ceremonies are done with friends and family in celebration or recognition.

I think people here have watched movies and formulated these scenarios of illicit and secretive baptism. Op is a troll…they’ve never been back to the thread.

[Anonymous]

I’m an atheist and I wouldn’t be mad if my grandmother baptized my kids as long as they were too young to remember. I think it’s just water. If it made her feel better, fine.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m an atheist and I wouldn’t be mad if my grandmother baptized my kids as long as they were too young to remember. I think it’s just water. If it made her feel better, fine.

Some atheists wouldn't want their religious family members interfering that way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

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The Satanic Temple will un-baptize people for a small fee. Wonder why they charge people money to un-baptize them?

Atheists have ordained ministers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. It's typically because they were raised evangelical / fundie or strict Catholic. The grandkids will eventually find a church if they so choose and get baptized later in life.

Evangelicals don't baptize babies.

Right -- and as far as Catholics are concerned, if one of those kids die, they go to hell. What do the evangelicals believe?

I’m not a fan of Catholicism, but as a former Catholic I can tell you that this isn’t what they believe.

Catholics believe that unbaptized children go to Limbo.

Again, no they don’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

You'll quibble that this isn't proof it happened, but: https://apnews.com/article/2d6fc1d745f8db6042b4dbe99160ecaf

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-10-30-9610291632-story.html
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-09-18-9609171446-story.html
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19930514&slug=1701153

[Anonymous]

Catholics believe that unbaptized children go to Limbo.

I'm Catholic, but not a theologian, but this is my attempt to explain.

Catholics believe that you can be saved either by baptism and remaining in a state thereafter or, if through no fault of your own you haven't been baptized, by leading a good life. The latter is sometimes mistakenly referred to as "earning" salvation.

The question arose as to what happened to unbaptized children who had not be able to "earn" salvation. Around 400 AD, a theologian came up with the idea that they went to limbo, which is the part of hell Christ descended into after his death (because prior to his death there was no salvation.)

In the 1950s and 1960s, a lot of Catholic schools taught the "unbaptized babies go to limbo" theory as if it were Church dogma. But it never was. Just one possible explanation. The Catechism of the Catholic Church doesn't include it. Even Wikipedia recognizes that it is not and never has been official dogma. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo

[Anonymous]

Sorry above should read "remaining in a state of grace thereafter."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.

So your brother was already baptized, and your parents sent him to a religious camp, and you think he needed to call home to be re-baptized?

Once you are baptized, you are baptized.

That's not what I said.

The group running the camp wanted to re-baptize him. We had both been to that camp before without any talk of baptism. A new director had taken over that year.

Various kids wanted to call home because they knew they didn't need to be baptized again. They wanted their parents to stop it.

There are groups who will baptize without parental consent.

What group was running the camp?

“Rebaptizing” someone isn’t the same thing as baptizing a child without parental consent.

Did this group (who you need to name) baptize kids w/o parental consent?

What groups do you know of who will baptize children w/o parental consent, links and citations mandatory.

Same story, two sources
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
https://thehill.com/homenews/3629996-more-than-100-students-baptized-without-parents-permission-at-north-carolina-school/

A few students had actually been scheduled to be baptized, Northwood Principal Renee McLamb told the Observer. But then the rest of the students felt moved to join in on the ceremony, McLamb said, adding that she didn't intend for the event to be a secret from parents.

In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized," the principal wrote in an email to the Observer. "We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset."

Some parents said they were upset that they missed their child's baptism, a religious ceremony that's usually celebrated with a family gathering to witness the event.

This is not an example of a group that baptizes kids w/o parental consent. This is a single story of a private Christian school and the majority of parents were upset they were not present at the ceremony.

Northwood Temple Academy, also known as NTA, is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. Located at 4200 Ramsey Street, Fayetteville, North Carolina, it has approximately 460 students enrolled. There are weekly chapel services and/or reboot groups.

In September 2022, NTA baptized approximately 100 schoolchildren without informing, or seeking consent from, their parents.[1] Some parents only learned their children had been baptized that day when their children requested to be brought dry clothes.[2] Many parents that practice adult baptism were upset because they were not present for an important religious ceremony for their children; others were upset as their children were already baptized, and felt that a second baptism effectively undid the first baptism.[3] The school's principal said, "In hindsight, we would do it differently."[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Temple_Academy