South Dakota forcing trans kids to detransition

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

I’m curious about the numbers in the 90’s, and 00’s.
I wonder if those numbers have changed.

You can Google it. I don’t have time. It’s been a steady thing though, lgbtq youth who are accepted have much lower rates of mental illness and death from suicide compared to those whose families are unsupportive, although both are higher than cishet youth. It’s probably something to do with it being acceptable in our society to treat them like deviants and politicians trying to make laws against them. Imagine being a trans youth in SD today. Even if your parents are supportive and helping you get treatment, state law says no, you shouldn’t exist, sorry. So what now? As a parent, I’d use the next year to find a new job and move to a state where treating my child isn’t illegal, but I know that would tear my son up because he’s feel responsible for upending our lives and causing us to move and change jobs. Those politicians feel like it’s more important to keep people closeted than to prevent suicides.

Most of the parents I talk to aren't treating trans people as deviants. We are concerned about our kids exploring their gender due to social media etc and being guided into permanent surgery when they aren't actually trans. Gender affirming care doesn't question what they are experiencing and in some cases a school or doctor won't tell parents their child is changing name/pronouns.

It does if done right. Ask me how I know.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

The kids now presenting as trans are typically co-morbid with other mental health issues. The data around supportive vs unsupportive families just isn’t there. Please read the whistleblower report from the woman who worked at the clinic in St Louis. The current state of care for minors who believe they are transgender is not supported by the science. The affirmation-only model is not appropriate. https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

I read it and I hear you and I agree with the author saying this isn’t medicine.

I also do not trust why lawmakers in SD are doing this. My reserves of benefit of the doubt for right wingers is gone. I can only see the slippery slope of their hateful politics kicking into the closet anyone who doesn’t present as straight-cis-normal.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. There is no way I can believe the Republican Party cares about kids. No way at all. You cannot be the party that enables school shootings and strips children of education and expect me to believe you care at all about kids.

But you also can’t expect me to look around at the current landscape and not see how troubling this is. I believe we are going to look back at some aspects of gender affirmative care with the same horror that we regard lobotomies with, eventually. We will see that profit-based, male-dominated medicine targeted autistic, non-stereotypical, neurodiverse girls for life-altering and often sterilizing interventions. As a neuro-atypical woman, I look around at the language around trans, the enormous sexism in the trans movement, the rank misogyny, and it is horrifying.

I don’t know what the answer is. I believe there are indeed trans kids for whom gender affirming care is necessary. I also believe much of what had come to be known as “gender ideology” is horribly misogynist and ableist at its heart.

Maybe the answer is to focus on the financial. Right now gender clinics are hugely profitable for medicine. That profit taints decisions. So make the profit riskier. Allow doctors to prescribe blockers but extend the statute of limitations for malpractice claims to twenty years or something long. Remove all caps on malpractice settlement sizes. Enable large awards for kids who are harmed by gender-affirming care. If profits are taken out of this equation, what will happen?

As a neurodivergent, disabled woman, I feel the exact same way. I have actually been told I'm "non-binary" by some of these gender cultists, and that alone was such a violation and messed me up so much that I'm disgusted by gender ideology now.

What these people sought is a person they thought they could exploit. they saw you as damaged, which you are NOT, and tried to take advantage. It’s similar to drug dealers trying to get someone hooked so they can get another client. The trans community preyed on my friend’s drug addicted sibling, who was even convinced to share his bank account info.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

I’m curious about the numbers in the 90’s, and 00’s.
I wonder if those numbers have changed.

You can Google it. I don’t have time. It’s been a steady thing though, lgbtq youth who are accepted have much lower rates of mental illness and death from suicide compared to those whose families are unsupportive, although both are higher than cishet youth. It’s probably something to do with it being acceptable in our society to treat them like deviants and politicians trying to make laws against them. Imagine being a trans youth in SD today. Even if your parents are supportive and helping you get treatment, state law says no, you shouldn’t exist, sorry. So what now? As a parent, I’d use the next year to find a new job and move to a state where treating my child isn’t illegal, but I know that would tear my son up because he’s feel responsible for upending our lives and causing us to move and change jobs. Those politicians feel like it’s more important to keep people closeted than to prevent suicides.

Most of the parents I talk to aren't treating trans people as deviants. We are concerned about our kids exploring their gender due to social media etc and being guided into permanent surgery when they aren't actually trans. Gender affirming care doesn't question what they are experiencing and in some cases a school or doctor won't tell parents their child is changing name/pronouns.

It does if done right. Ask me how I know.

What about all the times it’s done wrong? The affirmation-only model of care does not allow for the exploration of childhood traumas, sex abuse, autism, anxiety or any other issue? What about the kids who are moved to transition with those co-morbidities?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

I’m curious about the numbers in the 90’s, and 00’s.
I wonder if those numbers have changed.

You can Google it. I don’t have time. It’s been a steady thing though, lgbtq youth who are accepted have much lower rates of mental illness and death from suicide compared to those whose families are unsupportive, although both are higher than cishet youth. It’s probably something to do with it being acceptable in our society to treat them like deviants and politicians trying to make laws against them. Imagine being a trans youth in SD today. Even if your parents are supportive and helping you get treatment, state law says no, you shouldn’t exist, sorry. So what now? As a parent, I’d use the next year to find a new job and move to a state where treating my child isn’t illegal, but I know that would tear my son up because he’s feel responsible for upending our lives and causing us to move and change jobs. Those politicians feel like it’s more important to keep people closeted than to prevent suicides.

Most of the parents I talk to aren't treating trans people as deviants. We are concerned about our kids exploring their gender due to social media etc and being guided into permanent surgery when they aren't actually trans. Gender affirming care doesn't question what they are experiencing and in some cases a school or doctor won't tell parents their child is changing name/pronouns.

If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. How can a child completely transition at school and socially and the parents not have a clue? How detached must they be? Or how badly must the child feel the need to hide it?

You do realize many kids are at risk from their parents finding out they’re not cishet don’t you? That it’s not up to the schools to out kids to anyone. And if it’s a phase not requiring medical treatment, why do parents need to know anyway? Should parents be informed of every nickname a kid has?

And I don’t care about if individual moms in the pickup line at your kid’s school think trans people are deviant. There are elected officials and parents in communities banning books mentioning anything related to the lgbt community, an entire state’s classroom libraries emptied of books except the ones conservative politicians and their appointees approve to protect children from lgbtq words. Imagine being a gay or trans child in those areas. Imagine raising one and tell me you don’t feel like they think you’re a deviant. In multiple states it’s illegal or abusive to seek medical treatment for your minor child trying to transition. I’m glad you don’t think we’re deviants, but did you and your mom friends vote for people who do? Good for y’all if you didn’t, but plenty people vote for politicians do, then wash their hands of it and say they’re supportive.

Well there's also the profit motive from healthcare providers. With gender affirming care they simplify guide the patient to expensive, lifelong hormone treatments and possibly surgery. You seem to be implying there isn't an adolescent/teen gender social movement where kids pick a gender out of 2000 or so then post about it. I think the same thing happened during the LGBTQ's early movement where kids/teens explored their sexuality, however if you later decide you are hetero you still have your body and hormones intact.

Let’s be clear here. The entire healthcare system in America is profit driven. The solution is single payer. No more profits. No more private insurance.

Single payer doesn’t eliminate the profit issues. The Tavistock clinic in the UK, which is being shut down, reportedly grew to be 30% of the Trust’s annual income very quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. There is no way I can believe the Republican Party cares about kids. No way at all. You cannot be the party that enables school shootings and strips children of education and expect me to believe you care at all about kids.

But you also can’t expect me to look around at the current landscape and not see how troubling this is. I believe we are going to look back at some aspects of gender affirmative care with the same horror that we regard lobotomies with, eventually. We will see that profit-based, male-dominated medicine targeted autistic, non-stereotypical, neurodiverse girls for life-altering and often sterilizing interventions. As a neuro-atypical woman, I look around at the language around trans, the enormous sexism in the trans movement, the rank misogyny, and it is horrifying.

I don’t know what the answer is. I believe there are indeed trans kids for whom gender affirming care is necessary. I also believe much of what had come to be known as “gender ideology” is horribly misogynist and ableist at its heart.

Maybe the answer is to focus on the financial. Right now gender clinics are hugely profitable for medicine. That profit taints decisions. So make the profit riskier. Allow doctors to prescribe blockers but extend the statute of limitations for malpractice claims to twenty years or something long. Remove all caps on malpractice settlement sizes. Enable large awards for kids who are harmed by gender-affirming care. If profits are taken out of this equation, what will happen?

As a neurodivergent, disabled woman, I feel the exact same way. I have actually been told I'm "non-binary" by some of these gender cultists, and that alone was such a violation and messed me up so much that I'm disgusted by gender ideology now.

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[Anonymous]

I'm not trans, but my brain is screaming at me right now because this thread has suddenly made me understand how much I was let down and sabotaged by every psychiatrist I went to because...I've always been just like these vulnerable, neuro-atypical, dysphoric girls who are preyed upon at gender clinics.

I spent thousands of dollars at the best clinics and hospitals, only to be gaslit and lectured at when I explained my issues, and never medicated properly, and left to discover ON MY OWN that I likely had ADHD and was on the autism spectrum.

For my doctors it was just about making money off of me. Keeping me on the hamster wheel where I would need them. Gaslighting me because it's easier to project onto me rather than actually look at me.

It's like I've been sabotaged my whole life by profit-driven psychopaths who never effing cared about me.

I'm very raw right now and need to go lie down. This thread has been a damn revelation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not trans, but my brain is screaming at me right now because this thread has suddenly made me understand how much I was let down and sabotaged by every psychiatrist I went to because...I've always been just like these vulnerable, neuro-atypical, dysphoric girls who are preyed upon at gender clinics.

I spent thousands of dollars at the best clinics and hospitals, only to be gaslit and lectured at when I explained my issues, and never medicated properly, and left to discover ON MY OWN that I likely had ADHD and was on the autism spectrum.

For my doctors it was just about making money off of me. Keeping me on the hamster wheel where I would need them. Gaslighting me because it's easier to project onto me rather than actually look at me.

It's like I've been sabotaged my whole life by profit-driven psychopaths who never effing cared about me.

I'm very raw right now and need to go lie down. This thread has been a damn revelation.

I’m very sorry and I hope you are okay.

[Anonymous]

Just out of curiosity how many kids are there in both Dakotas willing to transition? Might just be a token law

[Anonymous]

The number of kids who identify as trans has doubled in four years. Is that because doctors are better at diagnosing them? Or is there is a cultural trend to categorize any gender/gender orientation questioning (which can be normal in adolescence) as trans among teens? Or both?



https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just out of curiosity how many kids are there in both Dakotas willing to transition? Might just be a token law

Might be. But, and I posted upthread, I no longer have any reserves of trust for Republican lawmakers. The law that comes after would have real teeth for trans adults, might say they’re not entitled to housing or that they don’t have a right to work. And the law after that might outlaw being openly gay or lesbian.

There are lots of good reasons for pediatric or medical bodies to put the brakes on the speeding train of trans kids, but I do not trust Republicans to do so because I do not believe for one second that they care about the kids. They’re just turning up the heat to slowly boil us to death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just out of curiosity how many kids are there in both Dakotas willing to transition? Might just be a token law

There are clinics in both North and South Dakota, so presumably more than just a couple. I don’t think you realize how widespread this is amongst young people today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not trans, but my brain is screaming at me right now because this thread has suddenly made me understand how much I was let down and sabotaged by every psychiatrist I went to because...I've always been just like these vulnerable, neuro-atypical, dysphoric girls who are preyed upon at gender clinics.

I spent thousands of dollars at the best clinics and hospitals, only to be gaslit and lectured at when I explained my issues, and never medicated properly, and left to discover ON MY OWN that I likely had ADHD and was on the autism spectrum.

For my doctors it was just about making money off of me. Keeping me on the hamster wheel where I would need them. Gaslighting me because it's easier to project onto me rather than actually look at me.

It's like I've been sabotaged my whole life by profit-driven psychopaths who never effing cared about me.

I'm very raw right now and need to go lie down. This thread has been a damn revelation.

I’m very sorry and I hope you are okay.

Thank you. I had a good cry and rested.

No hate, I support the freedom and safety of trans people, but honestly...ANY good movement can be misused. Any good intention can be weaponized. I think that's what some of these PPs are pointing towards. I've spent tonight reflecting on how we have such amazing scientific and medical knowledge, yet all of this life-saving knowledge was distorted by greed and Wrongly applied to me....and it's very disheartening.

No more arguments from me tonight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just out of curiosity how many kids are there in both Dakotas willing to transition? Might just be a token law

Might be. But, and I posted upthread, I no longer have any reserves of trust for Republican lawmakers. The law that comes after would have real teeth for trans adults, might say they’re not entitled to housing or that they don’t have a right to work. And the law after that might outlaw being openly gay or lesbian.

There are lots of good reasons for pediatric or medical bodies to put the brakes on the speeding train of trans kids, but I do not trust Republicans to do so because I do not believe for one second that they care about the kids. They’re just turning up the heat to slowly boil us to death.

None of that makes any sense. Maybe you'll realize that in the morning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just out of curiosity how many kids are there in both Dakotas willing to transition? Might just be a token law

There are clinics in both North and South Dakota, so presumably more than just a couple. I don’t think you realize how widespread this is amongst young people today.

DP. Agreed. For all those who are posting on this thread against Republicans, this site is primarily a parenting website and posters are concerned about their children, first.