Can someone explain how DeSantis ever wins?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like his actions (Eg banning dei at colleges) surely must alienate the entire Black vote, a chunk of the Hispanic and Asian American vote, all of gen z and most college Ed whites. Can someone explain how he wins on a national level with this strategy? Makes no sense to me

This article may be capturing the current zeitgeist of the American right, and that their “anti-woke” actions may have broader appeal than the American left’s progressivism: https://americanmind.org/memo/woke-revolutionaries-versus-americanists/

If the right had a truly charismatic leader to articulate its vision, I’d hazard a guess that they’d have significant electoral victories in the near term. That they don’t is keeping things competitive.

"Charisma" is totally overrated when it comes to elections.

Hell, Joe Biden got elected.

Bidenly is widely seen as nice and kind. DeSantis... doesn't have that going for him.

Who knows what runs through peoples minds when they think about DeSantis. People come up with their own weird and delusional views of people, like the ones who somehow built Trump up in their fevered minds from bloated loaf of cheeseburger cholesterol candidate to being some kind of buff lean and mean hero figure (even photoshopping his head onto Stallone's "Rocky.")

I am the one who said Biden is nice - yeah that is really weird with Trump. The whole worship of Trump is so weird. If there has ever been someone who didn't deserve worship - well, anyway. And yes I see some of that happening with DeSantis, too. The thing is that people had decades of experience with Trump before he decided to run for president. DeSantis has been governor for not quite five years, and hasn't really been stress tested. I live in Florida - and I cannot emphasize enough how unimpressive he is when you actually hear him talk. He has not been stress tested for decades. He's a bad debater.

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore - he's managed to build up a mythology about himself that Republicans seem to be really buying (gd help them). Maybe that's enough to overcome his personal defects, which are plenty.

Let's say he even does win a R primary - he still has to win the general. And again, let me say, I cannot emphasize enough how unappealing this guy is.

He could win. I am terrified of it. But he suc*s as a person.

Am I the only one who remembers all those "Hope" posters everydamnwhere in 2008?If that wasn't a bit of "worship" I don't know what is. President Obama wasn't "stress-tested" and he was never a state-level (or any other kind of) executive.

On the plus side, President Obama never created a "God chose a fighter" campaign ad, so he's got that going for him.

I don't mean stress tested in that he's had hard jobs for a long time - Trump CERTAINLY did not meet that requirement. I mean stress tested in the public eye. As in, he's not just good as an idea, but he can hold up to the relentless, day to day, minute by minute scrutiny that comes once you are running for president. I'm not saying that someone who doesn't have tons of experience can't hold up to that - you just don't know if they can, before they do it. Look at all the good on paper Republicans who fell apart once they ran for president. Democrats, too - heck if Beto isn't example 1 of this.

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Anonymous wrote:All he has to do is win the R primary and then be not-Biden if things go south on his watch.

This. And not if "things go south," they just have to stay the way they are now.

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Anonymous wrote:All he has to do is win the R primary and then be not-Biden if things go south on his watch.

This. And not if "things go south," they just have to stay the way they are now.

Republicans seem to be delusional about how popular or unpopular sitting dem presidents actually are. They said the same thing about anyone running against Obama and Clinton before him. Unemployment is at record lows, inflation has eased, we're not at war- things are good

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He could win. I am terrified of it. But he suc*s as a person.

I agree with you 100%. And yes, he is a bad debater. But I still feel like if he gets the nomination he'd wipe the floor with Biden. Joe's main strength in 2020 was "not being an orange clown" and without that advantage he's lost and confused.

DeSantis is running to the right of the orange clown and has zero desire or means to move toward the middle in a general. He’s as radioactive for independents as Trump is.

Exactly. I don't know if it's Democratic panic or Republican delusion driving the Desanyis could win narrative, but he does not have what it takes to win nationally. the 2020 elections and 2022 showed us that Americans will come out in numbers to reject crazy far right wingers

Just because you label him a "crazy far right winger" doesn't make him so. He's smart and previous attempts to tear him down have failed.

Are you able to list three tangible "things" (for lack of better word) that prove your point about his crazy right-wing bonafides?

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Anti-vax campaign, including hiring a nutjob as the state surgeon general and pushing for a grand jury investigation
Using state power to punish Disney for its political views/statements
Illegally removing an elected prosecutor for his speech (as confirmed by a federal judge)

LOL.
These are not far-right positions.
He was NOT against the vaccine, BTW. He was against mandates. Still is. And, there are millions of us who agree with him on that.

And, as for Disney.... yeah. When you start to embed gender crap in programming for kids.... watch out.

And, the prosecutor was not doing his job. He was refusing to prosecute those who had broken laws.

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Anonymous wrote:All he has to do is win the R primary and then be not-Biden if things go south on his watch.

This. And not if "things go south," they just have to stay the way they are now.

Republicans seem to be delusional about how popular or unpopular sitting dem presidents actually are. They said the same thing about anyone running against Obama and Clinton before him. Unemployment is at record lows, inflation has eased, we're not at war- things are good

Keep telling yourself that everything is peachy keen. Shows you are truly in an elite liberal bubble.

Poll finds 71% of Americans believe country is on wrong track

The 71% of Americans in our latest NBC News poll saying the country is headed in the wrong direction is the eighth time in the last nine NBC News surveys dating back to Oct. 2021 when the wrong track has been above 70%.

And the one exception was in Sept. 2022, when it was 68%.

We have never before seen this level of sustained pessimism in the 30-year-plus history of the poll.

Including during the 1992 recession, when a year of NBC/WSJ polls had the wrong track between 67% and 71% before improving right after the presidential election.

Or the Great Recession of 2008, when Barack Obama’s election and inauguration ended a year of NBC/WSJ polls of the wrong track being near or above 70%.

But this current pessimism has been going on for nearly a year and a half — even after an election.

“Elections are supposed to act as a chance to refresh and reset, and that did not happen [after the 2022 midterms],” said Republican pollster Bill McInturff, the GOP half of the NBC News poll.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/poll-finds-71-americans-believe-country-wrong-track-rcna68138

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Anonymous wrote:I really started paying attention to DeSantis when he basically got everything right during the pandemic.

Ever since then, I haven't seen him do anything I disagree with. If he gets the nomination, I'm 100% going to vote for him.

+1. I used to prioritize being pro-choice, and I didn't like DeSantis. Then the libs kept schools closed and called me a racist for wanting my kids to go to school and have lower crime. I now realize that there are higher priorities that affect my family every day.

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Anonymous wrote:All he has to do is win the R primary and then be not-Biden if things go south on his watch.

This. And not if "things go south," they just have to stay the way they are now.

Remember that huge red wave that was going to happen during the November elections? Oh, wait...

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Anonymous wrote:All he has to do is win the R primary and then be not-Biden if things go south on his watch.

This. And not if "things go south," they just have to stay the way they are now.

Republicans seem to be delusional about how popular or unpopular sitting dem presidents actually are. They said the same thing about anyone running against Obama and Clinton before him. Unemployment is at record lows, inflation has eased, we're not at war- things are good

Keep telling yourself that everything is peachy keen. Shows you are truly in an elite liberal bubble.

Poll finds 71% of Americans believe country is on wrong track

The 71% of Americans in our latest NBC News poll saying the country is headed in the wrong direction is the eighth time in the last nine NBC News surveys dating back to Oct. 2021 when the wrong track has been above 70%.

And the one exception was in Sept. 2022, when it was 68%.

We have never before seen this level of sustained pessimism in the 30-year-plus history of the poll.

Including during the 1992 recession, when a year of NBC/WSJ polls had the wrong track between 67% and 71% before improving right after the presidential election.

Or the Great Recession of 2008, when Barack Obama’s election and inauguration ended a year of NBC/WSJ polls of the wrong track being near or above 70%.

But this current pessimism has been going on for nearly a year and a half — even after an election.

“Elections are supposed to act as a chance to refresh and reset, and that did not happen [after the 2022 midterms],” said Republican pollster Bill McInturff, the GOP half of the NBC News poll.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/poll-finds-71-americans-believe-country-wrong-track-rcna68138

This. Biden missed some economic and other policy opportunities. Hopefully he can correct and bring deflation because our money went further before he took office.

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Anonymous wrote:I really started paying attention to DeSantis when he basically got everything right during the pandemic.

Ever since then, I haven't seen him do anything I disagree with. If he gets the nomination, I'm 100% going to vote for him.

+1. I used to prioritize being pro-choice, and I didn't like DeSantis. Then the libs kept schools closed and called me a racist for wanting my kids to go to school and have lower crime. I now realize that there are higher priorities that affect my family every day.

But the ending of American Democracy doesn’t affect your family, eh?

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Anonymous wrote:I really started paying attention to DeSantis when he basically got everything right during the pandemic.

Ever since then, I haven't seen him do anything I disagree with. If he gets the nomination, I'm 100% going to vote for him.

+1. I used to prioritize being pro-choice, and I didn't like DeSantis. Then the libs kept schools closed and called me a racist for wanting my kids to go to school and have lower crime. I now realize that there are higher priorities that affect my family every day.

But the ending of American Democracy doesn’t affect your family, eh?

If you join the right team, your democracy doesn’t end. You just move the election to Republican primaries and caucuses rather than bothering with general elections .

But if you are Democrat, you’re on the list. Not very smart because Democrats won’t always be able to hold seats in government.

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Anonymous wrote:All he has to do is win the R primary and then be not-Biden if things go south on his watch.

This. And not if "things go south," they just have to stay the way they are now.

Republicans seem to be delusional about how popular or unpopular sitting dem presidents actually are. They said the same thing about anyone running against Obama and Clinton before him. Unemployment is at record lows, inflation has eased, we're not at war- things are good

Keep telling yourself that everything is peachy keen. Shows you are truly in an elite liberal bubble.

Poll finds 71% of Americans believe country is on wrong track

The 71% of Americans in our latest NBC News poll saying the country is headed in the wrong direction is the eighth time in the last nine NBC News surveys dating back to Oct. 2021 when the wrong track has been above 70%.

And the one exception was in Sept. 2022, when it was 68%.

We have never before seen this level of sustained pessimism in the 30-year-plus history of the poll.

Including during the 1992 recession, when a year of NBC/WSJ polls had the wrong track between 67% and 71% before improving right after the presidential election.

Or the Great Recession of 2008, when Barack Obama’s election and inauguration ended a year of NBC/WSJ polls of the wrong track being near or above 70%.

But this current pessimism has been going on for nearly a year and a half — even after an election.

“Elections are supposed to act as a chance to refresh and reset, and that did not happen [after the 2022 midterms],” said Republican pollster Bill McInturff, the GOP half of the NBC News poll.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/poll-finds-71-americans-believe-country-wrong-track-rcna68138

Why do you think that is Biden or the democrats? It is the republicans and Fox News that scares people.

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He could win. I am terrified of it. But he suc*s as a person.

I agree with you 100%. And yes, he is a bad debater. But I still feel like if he gets the nomination he'd wipe the floor with Biden. Joe's main strength in 2020 was "not being an orange clown" and without that advantage he's lost and confused.

DeSantis is running to the right of the orange clown and has zero desire or means to move toward the middle in a general. He’s as radioactive for independents as Trump is.

Exactly. I don't know if it's Democratic panic or Republican delusion driving the Desanyis could win narrative, but he does not have what it takes to win nationally. the 2020 elections and 2022 showed us that Americans will come out in numbers to reject crazy far right wingers

Just because you label him a "crazy far right winger" doesn't make him so. He's smart and previous attempts to tear him down have failed.

Are you able to list three tangible "things" (for lack of better word) that prove your point about his crazy right-wing bonafides?

Is this is a good faith question? Desantis embraces the culture wars and the far right talking points. He loves them...lives by them.

Here's a list.

Gerrymandering
Disney retaliation
Stop WOKE act
Falsely arresting so-called vote fraudsters
Replacing a college's admin with unqualified far-right ideologues
Book banning
Permitless carry

These are not even remotely moderate or previous Republican positions. This is far right wing Looney toons.

And punitive taxes for buying electric stoves instead of gas stoves

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He’s just an a**hole, that’s all. Every morning he says “What would an a**hole do?” and then that is what he does.

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Anonymous wrote:All he has to do is win the R primary and then be not-Biden if things go south on his watch.

This. And not if "things go south," they just have to stay the way they are now.

Republicans seem to be delusional about how popular or unpopular sitting dem presidents actually are. They said the same thing about anyone running against Obama and Clinton before him. Unemployment is at record lows, inflation has eased, we're not at war- things are good

Keep telling yourself that everything is peachy keen. Shows you are truly in an elite liberal bubble.

Poll finds 71% of Americans believe country is on wrong track

The 71% of Americans in our latest NBC News poll saying the country is headed in the wrong direction is the eighth time in the last nine NBC News surveys dating back to Oct. 2021 when the wrong track has been above 70%.

And the one exception was in Sept. 2022, when it was 68%.

We have never before seen this level of sustained pessimism in the 30-year-plus history of the poll.

Including during the 1992 recession, when a year of NBC/WSJ polls had the wrong track between 67% and 71% before improving right after the presidential election.

Or the Great Recession of 2008, when Barack Obama’s election and inauguration ended a year of NBC/WSJ polls of the wrong track being near or above 70%.

But this current pessimism has been going on for nearly a year and a half — even after an election.

“Elections are supposed to act as a chance to refresh and reset, and that did not happen [after the 2022 midterms],” said Republican pollster Bill McInturff, the GOP half of the NBC News poll.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/poll-finds-71-americans-believe-country-wrong-track-rcna68138

Why do you think that is Biden or the democrats? It is the republicans and Fox News that scares people.

+1 Classic black and white thinking. I think America is on the wrong track because of insanity like the 5th Circuit decision today allowing people with restraining orders against them to buy guns. It doesn’t mean I’m going to vote for Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:All he has to do is win the R primary and then be not-Biden if things go south on his watch.

This. And not if "things go south," they just have to stay the way they are now.

Remember that huge red wave that was going to happen during the November elections? Oh, wait...

Well... going by numbers there were, what, 3 million more votes cast for the Republicans than the Dems. It was how the cards fell that favored the Dems. Same can't be guaranteed for 2024.