Can someone explain how DeSantis ever wins?

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Anonymous wrote:The above video is chilling.

What they are doing to Disney is downright illegal.

Anyone who doesn't see this is ignorant or evil.

In what way is that video "chilling"? It was a very straightforward explanation of the review process, not "chilling" at all. Please explain why you want to provide children with inappropriate material?

Inappropriate to whom? Some random parent or right wing nut job?

You know this is just a fear campaign.

That might be your opinion, but it's not mine. In reality, the "fear campaign" is coming from the overwrought and histrionic left, who are pushing misinformation, as usual.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/01/felony-charges-unapproved-books/

Wow talk about propaganda.

That snopes link says that yes, teachers are being warned that any books could bring a third degree felony charge.

The vagueness of the law is the point. It is used to create an atmosphere of fear.

Here's exactly what it says. The directives didn't come from DeSantis or his administration at all:

"These directives, it should be noted, came from officials in those districts interpreting the laws passed by the Florida State Legislature, and not from the State Department of Education or DeSantis.

Strictly speaking, it is true that the bill does not impose penalties on educators. The text of HB 1467 does not impose any penalties. It instead mandates that only approved books be included in any school or classroom library, and that approval must come from a certified media specialist.

HB 1467 does not, itself, impose felony penalties on educators for leaving unapproved books in their classroom collections, nor does it explicitly require any educator to cover the library with paper or anything of that nature. However, training materials provided at the county level for the express purpose of educating teachers on the new law explicitly recommended covering unapproved books and warned of third-degree felony penalties for the distribution of books deemed harmful to children under a pre-existing anti-pornography law."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

I was a voracious reader and read a lot of adult books as a child. We wouldnt be here if we werent dealing with books that have drawings of naked children touching each others genitals, kneeing to simulate oral sex, and discussions of ingesting vaginal fluid. Im okay with adult books in schools. Im not okay with pornography. This shouldnt even be controversial, but it is. A large minority want pornography in school. So we have to have rules for things that used to be just basic standards of decency. We either need these measures, or school choice where we can elect porn-free schools.

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Exactly this. It's astounding that some parents (?) actually seem to want their kids exposed to pornography. 99.9% of books in school libraries are fine. If they really want their kids to have access to pornography, there's always the public library or bookstores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

Except you don't seem to comprehend. Elementary school teachers have to remove their current classroom libraries - ALL THE BOOKS they've collected for years and years. And the school district is spending THREE MILLION DOLLARS (surely that money can be better used elsewhere) on all new books so that every classroom has all the same GOVERMENTALLY-APPROVED books.

I see nothing here about pornography, and I bet none of those teachers have pornographic books in their classroom libraries.

Please tell me again about how conservatives are all about small government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

Except you don't seem to comprehend. Elementary school teachers have to remove their current classroom libraries - ALL THE BOOKS they've collected for years and years. And the school district is spending THREE MILLION DOLLARS (surely that money can be better used elsewhere) on all new books so that every classroom has all the same GOVERMENTALLY-APPROVED books.

I see nothing here about pornography, and I bet none of those teachers have pornographic books in their classroom libraries.

Please tell me again about how conservatives are all about small government.

The issue is that since we cant all agree on 1) what is pornography, and 2) should kids have it at school, we now have to have these processes. Yes, it's worth the money to protect kids from what is basically sexual abuse. I dont like it that we have to do this either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

Except you don't seem to comprehend. Elementary school teachers have to remove their current classroom libraries - ALL THE BOOKS they've collected for years and years. And the school district is spending THREE MILLION DOLLARS (surely that money can be better used elsewhere) on all new books so that every classroom has all the same GOVERMENTALLY-APPROVED books.

I see nothing here about pornography, and I bet none of those teachers have pornographic books in their classroom libraries.

Please tell me again about how conservatives are all about small government.

The issue is that since we cant all agree on 1) what is pornography, and 2) should kids have it at school, we now have to have these processes. Yes, it's worth the money to protect kids from what is basically sexual abuse. I dont like it that we have to do this either.

This is a list of the books that Duval County, FL banned. Which of these are “pornography”? The Berenstain Bears and the Big Question? The Double Life of Pocahontas? The Life of Rosa Parks? Malala: A Hero for All? Roberto Clemente: Pride of the Pittsburgh Pirates? Please tell me. Y’all got really quiet in the book banning thread all of a sudden.
https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/?fbclid=IwAR3MUhy2VxNRvfSOmPPLKf_yZfi1PliT-VX7RHxt7o7FTMO2jzAQKqxE8xM&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

You are the drama queen. And a liar to boot.

Who are you to say what is pornographic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

You are the drama queen. And a liar to boot.

Who are you to say what is pornographic?

???? I guess if the book depicts cartoon characters in compromising positions instead of actual people, it's not considered pornographic in your mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

You are the drama queen. And a liar to boot.

Who are you to say what is pornographic?

???? I guess if the book depicts cartoon characters in compromising positions instead of actual people, it's not considered pornographic in your mind.

Sex is not pornography.

And those books were for upper grades, exactly the time kids need to be learning about sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The above video is chilling.

What they are doing to Disney is downright illegal.

Anyone who doesn't see this is ignorant or evil.

In what way is that video "chilling"? It was a very straightforward explanation of the review process, not "chilling" at all. Please explain why you want to provide children with inappropriate material?

Inappropriate to whom? Some random parent or right wing nut job?

You know this is just a fear campaign.

That might be your opinion, but it's not mine. In reality, the "fear campaign" is coming from the overwrought and histrionic left, who are pushing misinformation, as usual.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/01/felony-charges-unapproved-books/

Wow talk about propaganda.

That snopes link says that yes, teachers are being warned that any books could bring a third degree felony charge.

The vagueness of the law is the point. It is used to create an atmosphere of fear.

Here's exactly what it says. The directives didn't come from DeSantis or his administration at all:

"These directives, it should be noted, came from officials in those districts interpreting the laws passed by the Florida State Legislature, and not from the State Department of Education or DeSantis.

Strictly speaking, it is true that the bill does not impose penalties on educators. The text of HB 1467 does not impose any penalties. It instead mandates that only approved books be included in any school or classroom library, and that approval must come from a certified media specialist.

HB 1467 does not, itself, impose felony penalties on educators for leaving unapproved books in their classroom collections, nor does it explicitly require any educator to cover the library with paper or anything of that nature. However, training materials provided at the county level for the express purpose of educating teachers on the new law explicitly recommended covering unapproved books and warned of third-degree felony penalties for the distribution of books deemed harmful to children under a pre-existing anti-pornography law."

Because County lawyers told the districts they and their teachers could be CHARGED WITH A FELONY because the law is vaguely wriiten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

You are the drama queen. And a liar to boot.

Who are you to say what is pornographic?

???? I guess if the book depicts cartoon characters in compromising positions instead of actual people, it's not considered pornographic in your mind.

Sex is not pornography.

And those books were for upper grades, exactly the time kids need to be learning about sex.

Fine. You teach your kids about sex using these books. Any book that promotes sex for children should not be in school libraries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

Also

At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

You are the drama queen. And a liar to boot.

Who are you to say what is pornographic?

???? I guess if the book depicts cartoon characters in compromising positions instead of actual people, it's not considered pornographic in your mind.

Sex is not pornography.

And those books were for upper grades, exactly the time kids need to be learning about sex.

Fine. You teach your kids about sex using these books. Any book that promotes sex for children should not be in school libraries.

These books weren't in elementary schools. By middle school kids need to start learning about sex and certainly by high school.

In countries like Sweden, kids are taught about sex in preschool. It is just a part of life.

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Anonymous wrote:Pasco County is going to use almost $3 million in Covid relief funds to buy brand-new books for all its elementary school teachers to have in their classroom libraries. The classrooms will only be allowed to have approved books ("a common set of titles for each grade level that are aligned to standards and benchmarks, cultivate the curiosity and interest of students and support the development of literacy in all students"). https://www.smore.com/gemcs

Teachers are not happy.

In an online chat group, one wrote of having a panic attack. Another wondered how the district would adequately replace the hundreds of books she had collected over decades.

Deer Park Elementary third-grade teacher Magen Wilson said she cried upon learning the direction the state law is sending the district.

“Books are incredibly powerful and empowering. They are a safe space to learn about uncomfortable things and provide a safe escape for people of all ages,” Wilson told the Tampa Bay Times via email. “I feel like children are now being robbed of those needed experiences.”

She said throughout her 14 years teaching, she’s put together a set of books in which her students can find themselves, so they can feel the literature includes them. Creating a cookie-cutter selection doesn’t allow for the variety of situations that teachers see, she said.

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At the same time, the district has removed access to the Pasco County public library system through students’ online district portal. It did so after hearing parents detail how children could access adult-oriented materials through the system.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/04/pasco-replace-k-5-classroom-libraries-nod-floridas-new-book-rules/

I devoured books when I was in elementary school. I remember specifically my teacher giving me her preview copy of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH in 2nd grade because she thought I'd like it. And it inspired in me a life-long love of science fiction.

Limiting books to children is the OPPOSITE of what an educational system should be doing.

Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH is one of my all-time favorite books. Why are you equating that book to books which aren't appropriate for children because they might contain pornographic images or themes? Bizarre.

Why are these teachers such drama queens? There will be plenty of books in their classroom - probably all the same books they currently have. They're simply going to be reviewed to make sure nothing like "Gender Queer" appears there. This is not hard to comprehend.

You are the drama queen. And a liar to boot.

Who are you to say what is pornographic?

???? I guess if the book depicts cartoon characters in compromising positions instead of actual people, it's not considered pornographic in your mind.

Sex is not pornography.

And those books were for upper grades, exactly the time kids need to be learning about sex.

Fine. You teach your kids about sex using these books. Any book that promotes sex for children should not be in school libraries.

DP. What do you consider to be “promotion” vs. just education? Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think these books are encouraging children to have sex. My understanding is that these types of books explain sex and intimate body issues (menstruation, etc.) in a healthy, safe, positive (as in - without shaming or making it seem like a bad thing, not as in encouraging minors to have sex) way. I grew up in an immigrant family and my parents never sat me down for a sex talk. I learned everything from school sex ed (thankfully I attended MCPS and not some abstinence-only TX school district), conversations with friends, and books like these. IIRC American Girl had a book about puberty and bodies. I’m sure there are lots of families like this and having these resources available to kids is a good thing. It’s not pornography.

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The point of this whole thing is to terrify educators because one dipshit wacko parent can get them suspended or fired or be threatened by violent lunatics. The best teachers will move or quit teaching to evoke having their lives ruined by idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:The point of this whole thing is to terrify educators because one dipshit wacko parent can get them suspended or fired or be threatened by violent lunatics. The best teachers will move or quit teaching to avoid having their lives ruined by idiots.

*avoid* of course. Bizarre iPhone autocorrect.