New "W" High School

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Anonymous wrote:One of the four factors for boundary changes is stability of assignment. Without some overwhelming reason, MCPS isn't going to drag other cluster boundaries into the Woodward discussion. So far, no one has offered that overwhelming reason. It's just WJ and the DCC.

Someday the BoE may get around to a county-wide reset, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards just yet.

And we're back to the land of Oz, where the Wizard will make it all better. Don't look behind the curtain!

DCC Dorothy's going to have to save herself.

No, we're back to what it says in the MCPS CIP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of the four factors for boundary changes is stability of assignment. Without some overwhelming reason, MCPS isn't going to drag other cluster boundaries into the Woodward discussion. So far, no one has offered that overwhelming reason. It's just WJ and the DCC.

Someday the BoE may get around to a county-wide reset, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards just yet.

And we're back to the land of Oz, where the Wizard will make it all better. Don't look behind the curtain!

DCC Dorothy's going to have to save herself.

That can mean any number of things. For example, they can help the DCC by making room at schools adjacent to Woodward and shifting kids from the east side of those schools' boundaries into the schools adjacent to Woodward etc. It's subject to interpretation.

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Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

It's easy to see how this is going to play out. Similarly, the northernmost part of Blair's boundary with around 500 students will likely wind up at the new and expanded Northwood because last I knew it was about 500 over capacity. This means people who live across the street from Blair will attend Northwood. Still, Blair's geographic location is mostly irrelevant since it was originally inside the beltway in DTSS and moved to its current location as a convenience and there are no other HSs inside the beltway and east of the park.

This is already true today across Colesville Rd from Blair in South Four Corners.

people who live next to Westland go to Pyle, literally next door.

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Anonymous wrote:/ Overwhelming majority of kids in Woodward are going to come from WJ, with a smattering from DCC /

Fixed it for ya.

That wouldn't make sense. Woodward's capacity will be 2150. WJ will be overcapacity by 800, Wheaton by 400, and Einstein by 500.

It's easy to see how this is going to play out. Similarly, the northernmost part of Blair's boundary with around 500 students will likely wind up at the new and expanded Northwood because last I knew it was about 500 over capacity. This means people who live across the street from Blair will attend Northwood. Still, Blair's geographic location is mostly irrelevant since it was originally inside the beltway in DTSS and moved to its current location as a convenience and there are no other HSs inside the beltway and east of the park.

This is already true today across Colesville Rd from Blair in South Four Corners.

people who live next to Westland go to Pyle, literally next door.

Yes. Blair could end up as a little island of itself too, disconnected from its own cluster. If they want to avoid that scenario, they could reassign ESS to Northwood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the four factors for boundary changes is stability of assignment. Without some overwhelming reason, MCPS isn't going to drag other cluster boundaries into the Woodward discussion. So far, no one has offered that overwhelming reason. It's just WJ and the DCC.

Someday the BoE may get around to a county-wide reset, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards just yet.

And we're back to the land of Oz, where the Wizard will make it all better. Don't look behind the curtain!

DCC Dorothy's going to have to save herself.

That can mean any number of things. For example, they can help the DCC by making room at schools adjacent to Woodward and shifting kids from the east side of those schools' boundaries into the schools adjacent to Woodward etc. It's subject to interpretation.

What it certainly means is that MCPS is currently planning to include the following clusters in the boundary study:

1. WJ
2. the DCC

and currently planning not to include the following clusters in the boundary study:

1. all of the other clusters in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight because my kids are already for high school. But we are zoned for Einstein kids and both of my kids are taking advantage of programs at different DCC schools. I definitely would want to stay in the DCC and would be super upset if my kid was, say, 10, and I had to worry that he couldn't go to, say, the Wheaton STEM programs.

I am right there with you. These conversations are dominated by pearl clutchers from the Ws, but, there is very little discussion of what DCC people want. All the DCC people I know are happy in the DCC and like the different options we have for high school programs. I think there will be a significant number of people upset at the prospect of being pulled out of the DCC only to be put in a smaller cluster with few options for special programs.

I think it makes the most sense to add Woodward to the DCC, with some sort of special program or academy. MOST of the Woodward students will come from the area surrounding Woodward, and then they can fill extra space with kids applying to the special program as well as the DCC lottery. It gives MCPS a lot more flexibility in meeting demographic goals for Woodward individually as well as the DCC.

So let's say that they adjust a few DCC neighborhoods to Woodward. Maybe 100 kids? Maybe 200, max? And add a magnet program, maybe drawing another 100? Even 300 shifted from DCC and the extra capacity of Northwood coming online doesn't come close to addressing the relative overcrowding.

Hoping I'm wrong, and that redrawing more lines will happe -- it's not like there is anything else that's going to be available in the next 5+ years.

Given that Einstein is projected to be 500 over capacity by then and Wheaton 400 over, they are going to have to send more than 100-200 DCC students to Woodward. Just adding WJ’s 800 over capacity to Wheaton and Einstein’s numbers puts Woodward already close to its capacity. They allowed these schools to get so overcrowded that minor boundary shifts aren’t enough to fix the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight because my kids are already for high school. But we are zoned for Einstein kids and both of my kids are taking advantage of programs at different DCC schools. I definitely would want to stay in the DCC and would be super upset if my kid was, say, 10, and I had to worry that he couldn't go to, say, the Wheaton STEM programs.

I am right there with you. These conversations are dominated by pearl clutchers from the Ws, but, there is very little discussion of what DCC people want. All the DCC people I know are happy in the DCC and like the different options we have for high school programs. I think there will be a significant number of people upset at the prospect of being pulled out of the DCC only to be put in a smaller cluster with few options for special programs.

I think it makes the most sense to add Woodward to the DCC, with some sort of special program or academy. MOST of the Woodward students will come from the area surrounding Woodward, and then they can fill extra space with kids applying to the special program as well as the DCC lottery. It gives MCPS a lot more flexibility in meeting demographic goals for Woodward individually as well as the DCC.

So let's say that they adjust a few DCC neighborhoods to Woodward. Maybe 100 kids? Maybe 200, max? And add a magnet program, maybe drawing another 100? Even 300 shifted from DCC and the extra capacity of Northwood coming online doesn't come close to addressing the relative overcrowding.

Hoping I'm wrong, and that redrawing more lines will happe -- it's not like there is anything else that's going to be available in the next 5+ years.

Given that Einstein is projected to be 500 over capacity by then and Wheaton 400 over, they are going to have to send more than 100-200 DCC students to Woodward. Just adding WJ’s 800 over capacity to Wheaton and Einstein’s numbers puts Woodward already close to its capacity. They allowed these schools to get so overcrowded that minor boundary shifts aren’t enough to fix the problem.

Send WJ kids to Wheaton?! Oh hell no.

You can't pull kids from a good school and send them to a struggling school. They need to invest resources into the struggling schools (better admin, more security, better teachers, smaller class sizes, more advanced and AP courses, more support services like tutoring and Saturday school and so on) and bring them up to par vs. moving kids around and bussing them far from home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight because my kids are already for high school. But we are zoned for Einstein kids and both of my kids are taking advantage of programs at different DCC schools. I definitely would want to stay in the DCC and would be super upset if my kid was, say, 10, and I had to worry that he couldn't go to, say, the Wheaton STEM programs.

I am right there with you. These conversations are dominated by pearl clutchers from the Ws, but, there is very little discussion of what DCC people want. All the DCC people I know are happy in the DCC and like the different options we have for high school programs. I think there will be a significant number of people upset at the prospect of being pulled out of the DCC only to be put in a smaller cluster with few options for special programs.

I think it makes the most sense to add Woodward to the DCC, with some sort of special program or academy. MOST of the Woodward students will come from the area surrounding Woodward, and then they can fill extra space with kids applying to the special program as well as the DCC lottery. It gives MCPS a lot more flexibility in meeting demographic goals for Woodward individually as well as the DCC.

So let's say that they adjust a few DCC neighborhoods to Woodward. Maybe 100 kids? Maybe 200, max? And add a magnet program, maybe drawing another 100? Even 300 shifted from DCC and the extra capacity of Northwood coming online doesn't come close to addressing the relative overcrowding.

Hoping I'm wrong, and that redrawing more lines will happe -- it's not like there is anything else that's going to be available in the next 5+ years.

Given that Einstein is projected to be 500 over capacity by then and Wheaton 400 over, they are going to have to send more than 100-200 DCC students to Woodward. Just adding WJ’s 800 over capacity to Wheaton and Einstein’s numbers puts Woodward already close to its capacity. They allowed these schools to get so overcrowded that minor boundary shifts aren’t enough to fix the problem.

Send WJ kids to Wheaton?! Oh hell no.

You can't pull kids from a good school and send them to a struggling school. They need to invest resources into the struggling schools (better admin, more security, better teachers, smaller class sizes, more advanced and AP courses, more support services like tutoring and Saturday school and so on) and bring them up to par vs. moving kids around and bussing them far from home.

PP, don't worry, if this happens, it will be ok. The "bad" kids won't infect your "good" kids with badness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight because my kids are already for high school. But we are zoned for Einstein kids and both of my kids are taking advantage of programs at different DCC schools. I definitely would want to stay in the DCC and would be super upset if my kid was, say, 10, and I had to worry that he couldn't go to, say, the Wheaton STEM programs.

I am right there with you. These conversations are dominated by pearl clutchers from the Ws, but, there is very little discussion of what DCC people want. All the DCC people I know are happy in the DCC and like the different options we have for high school programs. I think there will be a significant number of people upset at the prospect of being pulled out of the DCC only to be put in a smaller cluster with few options for special programs.

I think it makes the most sense to add Woodward to the DCC, with some sort of special program or academy. MOST of the Woodward students will come from the area surrounding Woodward, and then they can fill extra space with kids applying to the special program as well as the DCC lottery. It gives MCPS a lot more flexibility in meeting demographic goals for Woodward individually as well as the DCC.

So let's say that they adjust a few DCC neighborhoods to Woodward. Maybe 100 kids? Maybe 200, max? And add a magnet program, maybe drawing another 100? Even 300 shifted from DCC and the extra capacity of Northwood coming online doesn't come close to addressing the relative overcrowding.

Hoping I'm wrong, and that redrawing more lines will happe -- it's not like there is anything else that's going to be available in the next 5+ years.

Given that Einstein is projected to be 500 over capacity by then and Wheaton 400 over, they are going to have to send more than 100-200 DCC students to Woodward. Just adding WJ’s 800 over capacity to Wheaton and Einstein’s numbers puts Woodward already close to its capacity. They allowed these schools to get so overcrowded that minor boundary shifts aren’t enough to fix the problem.

Send WJ kids to Wheaton?! Oh hell no.

You can't pull kids from a good school and send them to a struggling school. They need to invest resources into the struggling schools (better admin, more security, better teachers, smaller class sizes, more advanced and AP courses, more support services like tutoring and Saturday school and so on) and bring them up to par vs. moving kids around and bussing them far from home.

You misread the PP. They were talking about sending WJ, Wheaton, and Einstein kids to Woodward (which is what most people expect to happen).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight because my kids are already for high school. But we are zoned for Einstein kids and both of my kids are taking advantage of programs at different DCC schools. I definitely would want to stay in the DCC and would be super upset if my kid was, say, 10, and I had to worry that he couldn't go to, say, the Wheaton STEM programs.

I am right there with you. These conversations are dominated by pearl clutchers from the Ws, but, there is very little discussion of what DCC people want. All the DCC people I know are happy in the DCC and like the different options we have for high school programs. I think there will be a significant number of people upset at the prospect of being pulled out of the DCC only to be put in a smaller cluster with few options for special programs.

I think it makes the most sense to add Woodward to the DCC, with some sort of special program or academy. MOST of the Woodward students will come from the area surrounding Woodward, and then they can fill extra space with kids applying to the special program as well as the DCC lottery. It gives MCPS a lot more flexibility in meeting demographic goals for Woodward individually as well as the DCC.

So let's say that they adjust a few DCC neighborhoods to Woodward. Maybe 100 kids? Maybe 200, max? And add a magnet program, maybe drawing another 100? Even 300 shifted from DCC and the extra capacity of Northwood coming online doesn't come close to addressing the relative overcrowding.

Hoping I'm wrong, and that redrawing more lines will happe -- it's not like there is anything else that's going to be available in the next 5+ years.

Given that Einstein is projected to be 500 over capacity by then and Wheaton 400 over, they are going to have to send more than 100-200 DCC students to Woodward. Just adding WJ’s 800 over capacity to Wheaton and Einstein’s numbers puts Woodward already close to its capacity. They allowed these schools to get so overcrowded that minor boundary shifts aren’t enough to fix the problem.

Send WJ kids to Wheaton?! Oh hell no.

You can't pull kids from a good school and send them to a struggling school. They need to invest resources into the struggling schools (better admin, more security, better teachers, smaller class sizes, more advanced and AP courses, more support services like tutoring and Saturday school and so on) and bring them up to par vs. moving kids around and bussing them far from home.

You misread the PP. They were talking about sending WJ, Wheaton, and Einstein kids to Woodward (which is what most people expect to happen).

DP - yes, but now you see the attitudes of many WJ parents. Wheaton isn’t even a “struggling” school, but whatever, PP. Keep living in your fantasy world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight because my kids are already for high school. But we are zoned for Einstein kids and both of my kids are taking advantage of programs at different DCC schools. I definitely would want to stay in the DCC and would be super upset if my kid was, say, 10, and I had to worry that he couldn't go to, say, the Wheaton STEM programs.

I am right there with you. These conversations are dominated by pearl clutchers from the Ws, but, there is very little discussion of what DCC people want. All the DCC people I know are happy in the DCC and like the different options we have for high school programs. I think there will be a significant number of people upset at the prospect of being pulled out of the DCC only to be put in a smaller cluster with few options for special programs.

I think it makes the most sense to add Woodward to the DCC, with some sort of special program or academy. MOST of the Woodward students will come from the area surrounding Woodward, and then they can fill extra space with kids applying to the special program as well as the DCC lottery. It gives MCPS a lot more flexibility in meeting demographic goals for Woodward individually as well as the DCC.

So let's say that they adjust a few DCC neighborhoods to Woodward. Maybe 100 kids? Maybe 200, max? And add a magnet program, maybe drawing another 100? Even 300 shifted from DCC and the extra capacity of Northwood coming online doesn't come close to addressing the relative overcrowding.

Hoping I'm wrong, and that redrawing more lines will happe -- it's not like there is anything else that's going to be available in the next 5+ years.

Given that Einstein is projected to be 500 over capacity by then and Wheaton 400 over, they are going to have to send more than 100-200 DCC students to Woodward. Just adding WJ’s 800 over capacity to Wheaton and Einstein’s numbers puts Woodward already close to its capacity. They allowed these schools to get so overcrowded that minor boundary shifts aren’t enough to fix the problem.

Send WJ kids to Wheaton?! Oh hell no.

You can't pull kids from a good school and send them to a struggling school. They need to invest resources into the struggling schools (better admin, more security, better teachers, smaller class sizes, more advanced and AP courses, more support services like tutoring and Saturday school and so on) and bring them up to par vs. moving kids around and bussing them far from home.

PP, don't worry, if this happens, it will be ok. The "bad" kids won't infect your "good" kids with badness.

The schools are struggling academically. This doesn't make them "bad" kids! They need more support from K onwards!

There are fewer cohorts of advanced students at the struggling schools. My point was a program like APEX at WJ has 150 kids taking all AP courses. The struggling schools sometimes can't offer the same AP options because there aren't enough kids to fill the class (say, a French 6 or an AP
Chem in 10th grade or Differential Equations).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight because my kids are already for high school. But we are zoned for Einstein kids and both of my kids are taking advantage of programs at different DCC schools. I definitely would want to stay in the DCC and would be super upset if my kid was, say, 10, and I had to worry that he couldn't go to, say, the Wheaton STEM programs.

I am right there with you. These conversations are dominated by pearl clutchers from the Ws, but, there is very little discussion of what DCC people want. All the DCC people I know are happy in the DCC and like the different options we have for high school programs. I think there will be a significant number of people upset at the prospect of being pulled out of the DCC only to be put in a smaller cluster with few options for special programs.

I think it makes the most sense to add Woodward to the DCC, with some sort of special program or academy. MOST of the Woodward students will come from the area surrounding Woodward, and then they can fill extra space with kids applying to the special program as well as the DCC lottery. It gives MCPS a lot more flexibility in meeting demographic goals for Woodward individually as well as the DCC.

So let's say that they adjust a few DCC neighborhoods to Woodward. Maybe 100 kids? Maybe 200, max? And add a magnet program, maybe drawing another 100? Even 300 shifted from DCC and the extra capacity of Northwood coming online doesn't come close to addressing the relative overcrowding.

Hoping I'm wrong, and that redrawing more lines will happe -- it's not like there is anything else that's going to be available in the next 5+ years.

Given that Einstein is projected to be 500 over capacity by then and Wheaton 400 over, they are going to have to send more than 100-200 DCC students to Woodward. Just adding WJ’s 800 over capacity to Wheaton and Einstein’s numbers puts Woodward already close to its capacity. They allowed these schools to get so overcrowded that minor boundary shifts aren’t enough to fix the problem.

Send WJ kids to Wheaton?! Oh hell no.

You can't pull kids from a good school and send them to a struggling school. They need to invest resources into the struggling schools (better admin, more security, better teachers, smaller class sizes, more advanced and AP courses, more support services like tutoring and Saturday school and so on) and bring them up to par vs. moving kids around and bussing them far from home.

You misread the PP. They were talking about sending WJ, Wheaton, and Einstein kids to Woodward (which is what most people expect to happen).

Thank you. I did misread it. I took it to mean more kids would be sent to overcrowded Wheaton which wouldn't solve anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the four factors for boundary changes is stability of assignment. Without some overwhelming reason, MCPS isn't going to drag other cluster boundaries into the Woodward discussion. So far, no one has offered that overwhelming reason. It's just WJ and the DCC.

Someday the BoE may get around to a county-wide reset, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards just yet.

And we're back to the land of Oz, where the Wizard will make it all better. Don't look behind the curtain!

DCC Dorothy's going to have to save herself.

That can mean any number of things. For example, they can help the DCC by making room at schools adjacent to Woodward and shifting kids from the east side of those schools' boundaries into the schools adjacent to Woodward etc. It's subject to interpretation.

What it certainly means is that MCPS is currently planning to include the following clusters in the boundary study:

1. WJ
2. the DCC

and currently planning not to include the following clusters in the boundary study:

1. all of the other clusters in MCPS.

Yes, Woodward will impact the adjacent schools like WJ, Einstein, Wheaton and BCC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight because my kids are already for high school. But we are zoned for Einstein kids and both of my kids are taking advantage of programs at different DCC schools. I definitely would want to stay in the DCC and would be super upset if my kid was, say, 10, and I had to worry that he couldn't go to, say, the Wheaton STEM programs.

I am right there with you. These conversations are dominated by pearl clutchers from the Ws, but, there is very little discussion of what DCC people want. All the DCC people I know are happy in the DCC and like the different options we have for high school programs. I think there will be a significant number of people upset at the prospect of being pulled out of the DCC only to be put in a smaller cluster with few options for special programs.

I think it makes the most sense to add Woodward to the DCC, with some sort of special program or academy. MOST of the Woodward students will come from the area surrounding Woodward, and then they can fill extra space with kids applying to the special program as well as the DCC lottery. It gives MCPS a lot more flexibility in meeting demographic goals for Woodward individually as well as the DCC.

So let's say that they adjust a few DCC neighborhoods to Woodward. Maybe 100 kids? Maybe 200, max? And add a magnet program, maybe drawing another 100? Even 300 shifted from DCC and the extra capacity of Northwood coming online doesn't come close to addressing the relative overcrowding.

Hoping I'm wrong, and that redrawing more lines will happe -- it's not like there is anything else that's going to be available in the next 5+ years.

Given that Einstein is projected to be 500 over capacity by then and Wheaton 400 over, they are going to have to send more than 100-200 DCC students to Woodward. Just adding WJ’s 800 over capacity to Wheaton and Einstein’s numbers puts Woodward already close to its capacity. They allowed these schools to get so overcrowded that minor boundary shifts aren’t enough to fix the problem.

Send WJ kids to Wheaton?! Oh hell no.

You can't pull kids from a good school and send them to a struggling school. They need to invest resources into the struggling schools (better admin, more security, better teachers, smaller class sizes, more advanced and AP courses, more support services like tutoring and Saturday school and so on) and bring them up to par vs. moving kids around and bussing them far from home.

PP, don't worry, if this happens, it will be ok. The "bad" kids won't infect your "good" kids with badness.

The schools are struggling academically. This doesn't make them "bad" kids! They need more support from K onwards!

There are fewer cohorts of advanced students at the struggling schools. My point was a program like APEX at WJ has 150 kids taking all AP courses. The struggling schools sometimes can't offer the same AP options because there aren't enough kids to fill the class (say, a French 6 or an AP
Chem in 10th grade or Differential Equations).

You seem be operating under a few bad assumptions. You kid will do the same at any MCPS school. Differences have more to do with a students home life. All MCPS schools are more or less the same and offer a wide range of advanced classes. Sure, one may have 6 sections of AP English another has 3 but both offer AP English and similar core classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the four factors for boundary changes is stability of assignment. Without some overwhelming reason, MCPS isn't going to drag other cluster boundaries into the Woodward discussion. So far, no one has offered that overwhelming reason. It's just WJ and the DCC.

Someday the BoE may get around to a county-wide reset, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards just yet.

And we're back to the land of Oz, where the Wizard will make it all better. Don't look behind the curtain!

DCC Dorothy's going to have to save herself.

That can mean any number of things. For example, they can help the DCC by making room at schools adjacent to Woodward and shifting kids from the east side of those schools' boundaries into the schools adjacent to Woodward etc. It's subject to interpretation.

What it certainly means is that MCPS is currently planning to include the following clusters in the boundary study:

1. WJ
2. the DCC

and currently planning not to include the following clusters in the boundary study:

1. all of the other clusters in MCPS.

Yes, Woodward will impact the adjacent schools like WJ, Einstein, Wheaton and BCC.

No. WJ is WJ. Einstein and Wheaton are in the DCC. In contrast, B-CC is neither WJ, nor in the DCC; B-CC is B-CC. Therefore, MCPS is currently planning to NOT include B-CC in the Woodward boundary study.