St James Winter Indoor League

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many hours are allotted per week for a head WCAC coach? Who keeps track of those hours? Who monitors to ensure compliance? You seem to know the rules.

I don’t recall any other WCAC team (beside GC) with a head coach on the sidelines at TSJ this year.

12 hours over no more than 4 days. WCAC and the school keep track. Other sports do it, boys teams do it.

He isn't doing anything against the rules.

[Anonymous]

Every country is different. Prince William allows coaches more out of season contract then Fairfax

[Anonymous]

Not withstanding the WCAC rules, it seems pretty ridiculous to have a head coach actively working the refs during basically a pick-up Winter lacrosse game against parent coaches. Not the best look for the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not withstanding the WCAC rules, it seems pretty ridiculous to have a head coach actively working the refs during basically a pick-up Winter lacrosse game against parent coaches. Not the best look for the school.

You sound bitter about "a pick-up winter lacrosse game." He has been at most GC games and this is the first complaint so you must be from their opponent. And has been going to offseason games since the rules changed in 2019.

[Anonymous]

News flash for Fairfax county coaches, that are coaching out of season (at least with glax). There is no hard written rule that says you can’t do it. Absolutely nothing in writing or your contract. Call VHSL and you will get the same answer. This is typically an unwritten rule between glax coaches. Again, can’t comment on any other sport. Yes it is frowned upon coaching your HS team out of season, it 100% guarantee you can’t find anything in writing or a policy about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many hours are allotted per week for a head WCAC coach? Who keeps track of those hours? Who monitors to ensure compliance? You seem to know the rules.

I don’t recall any other WCAC team (beside GC) with a head coach on the sidelines at TSJ this year.

12 hours over no more than 4 days. WCAC and the school keep track. Other sports do it, boys teams do it.

He isn't doing anything against the rules.

So do WCAC coaches follow an honor system in complying with these rules?

In “keeping track,” if there is record keeping, do coaches self report their adherence to the 12 hour / 4 day threshold?

If true, who’s enforcing these rules?

WCAC ADs aren’t going to snitch on their own coaches if they exceed off-season time limits with their teams.

And the WCAC neither has the staff nor the resources to make sure the rules are being followed.

You can understand why these questions would be asked when the GC head coach is seen on the sidelines of winter indoor games.

Especially when most of the indoor STJ teams (all?) follow the widespread practice of using parent volunteers
to avoid even the appearance of any possible rule violation.

Are there any WCAC officials here who can speak to the rules and how they’re enforced?

[Anonymous]

as a current HS glax coach, I can tell you for sure within fairfax county public schools, there is no rule or policy that states you cannot coach your HS team out of season. If someone disagrees, please post the policy or rule (doubt you will find it because it doesn't exist). Coaches just followed this unwritten rule for out of season play, but trust me, I have seen plenty of coaches getting involved in out of season activity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many hours are allotted per week for a head WCAC coach? Who keeps track of those hours? Who monitors to ensure compliance? You seem to know the rules.

I don’t recall any other WCAC team (beside GC) with a head coach on the sidelines at TSJ this year.

12 hours over no more than 4 days. WCAC and the school keep track. Other sports do it, boys teams do it.

He isn't doing anything against the rules.

So do WCAC coaches follow an honor system in complying with these rules?

In “keeping track,” if there is record keeping, do coaches self report their adherence to the 12 hour / 4 day threshold?

If true, who’s enforcing these rules?

WCAC ADs aren’t going to snitch on their own coaches if they exceed off-season time limits with their teams.

And the WCAC neither has the staff nor the resources to make sure the rules are being followed.

You can understand why these questions would be asked when the GC head coach is seen on the sidelines of winter indoor games.

Especially when most of the indoor STJ teams (all?) follow the widespread practice of using parent volunteers
to avoid even the appearance of any possible rule violation.

Are there any WCAC officials here who can speak to the rules and how they’re enforced?

If these WCAC rules are correct, the GC head coach would have been limited to just three practices with the glax team last week.

Same for every prior week when he’s been on the indoor sidelines in January (which has been every week, according to other posters).

Can the WCAC confirm this?

[Anonymous]

It is funny how a previous poster said that the GC coach had been doing this since 2019 when the “rules changed” and no one has complained. I don’t believe GC has played in the STJ winter league until this year, which is why no one has said anything. I guess they were potentially flouting the rules up in the Baltimore league where no one was paying attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is funny how a previous poster said that the GC coach had been doing this since 2019 when the “rules changed” and no one has complained. I don’t believe GC has played in the STJ winter league until this year, which is why no one has said anything. I guess they were potentially flouting the rules up in the Baltimore league where no one was paying attention.

You all care too much. GC has workouts only 3x a week in the winter and most of it is only lift and conditioning anyway. He was on the sidelines of fall ball games in the Coppermine league when Visi and others were in that league and in the STJ league in January/February of 2021 when it was full field. I didn't see the complaints then.

What about the PVI coach that was coaching on the sideline at National Indoor Tournament? I didn't see complaints there.Why complain now? Oh right. You lost. Baltimore league just had GCS, SPSG, and McDonogh - no real competition.

If you aren't going to do anything, quit complaining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:as a current HS glax coach, I can tell you for sure within fairfax county public schools, there is no rule or policy that states you cannot coach your HS team out of season. If someone disagrees, please post the policy or rule (doubt you will find it because it doesn't exist). Coaches just followed this unwritten rule for out of season play, but trust me, I have seen plenty of coaches getting involved in out of season activity.

No one is talking about Fairfax county.

[Anonymous]

Just my opinion but I think Thebes poster is just making a point about off season coaching. If you have an issue with the wcac coaching rule, go do your research and find the rule in writing, then go approach the AD for that school that is breaking the rule. Stop complaining on this post because it’s not getting you anywhere

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:as a current HS glax coach, I can tell you for sure within fairfax county public schools, there is no rule or policy that states you cannot coach your HS team out of season. If someone disagrees, please post the policy or rule (doubt you will find it because it doesn't exist). Coaches just followed this unwritten rule for out of season play, but trust me, I have seen plenty of coaches getting involved in out of season activity.

No one is talking about Fairfax county.

And no one cares about your overrated private school team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just my opinion but I think Thebes poster is just making a point about off season coaching. If you have an issue with the wcac coaching rule, go do your research and find the rule in writing, then go approach the AD for that school that is breaking the rule. Stop complaining on this post because it’s not getting you anywhere

No rules are being broken, which is why all they can do is complain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just my opinion but I think Thebes poster is just making a point about off season coaching. If you have an issue with the wcac coaching rule, go do your research and find the rule in writing, then go approach the AD for that school that is breaking the rule. Stop complaining on this post because it’s not getting you anywhere

No rules are being broken, which is why all they can do is complain.

Lighten up, coach. No one is complaining. People are asking questions. If you have a problem with that, that's on you. Deal with it.

The PP wanted to know the WCAC coaching rules. It's a fair question when GC's head coach is the only WCAC coach participating weekly from the sidelines in the indoor TSJ league.

Someone posted those rules, which (if true) was helpful. Last I checked this forum was intended to share information about DMV lax.

You say no one "complained" about PVI being in the winter indoor tournament. No one complained about GC, either. It was a single event after a short week following the return from the holiday break (games started Friday, the prior Monday was a holiday). If the rules shared in this thread are correct, that's allowed.

When a WCAC head coach is seen every week at an indoor league, people are right to wonder what the rules are, and if they're being followed.

People also also have the right to ask any question they want about it.

The GC fan / coach says they practice three days a week which allows the HC to be sideline for a fourth day to coach on the weekend. If those are the rules, and GC is following them, then that's ok.

But there's a larger question that hasn't been answered: how does the WCAC police and enforce off-season coaching rules?

If WCAC officials simply trust coaches at their word that rules are being followed, that's a problem. There's zero accountability under such a system.

At a bare minimum, WCAC coaches and their ADs should be required to sign and submit (to the conference) weekly statements showing the number of hours and days head coaches have spent with the team during the off season.

This would hold both the coach and the AD accountable and help keep everyone honest.