Rant about Deal and their religious field trip

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Deal letter says long sleeves and long pants. No mention of head coverings or different requirements for girls/boys. OP, where are you getting your info?

OP here. The letter says long sleeves and long pants. However, two different teachers mentioned headscarves for girls to my kids. Maybe that was option and my kids understood/relayed half of the information? It wouldn't be the first time given how absent minded they are...so it's a possibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Deal letter says long sleeves and long pants. No mention of head coverings or different requirements for girls/boys. OP, where are you getting your info?

OP here. The letter says long sleeves and long pants. However, two different teachers mentioned headscarves for girls to my kids. Maybe that was option and my kids understood/relayed half of the information? It wouldn't be the first time given how absent minded they are...so it's a possibility.

Perhaps confirm with the teacher if head coverings are required for all students. In any case, it is not included as part of the official letter and permission slip issued by the school.

[Anonymous]

Men also frequently wear a head covering in mosques so they could have everyone wear one.

Even women who don’t wear a head covering usually cover their heads in the mosque.

There are also many orthodox Christian sites around the world that require a head covering as well. It isn’t really religion specific but more a common symbol of respect within major religions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are in 6th grade at Deal. They are studying religion in their geography class and, as part of the class, the school is organizing a field trip to a mosque, a church, and a synagogue. We are atheist but we understand that learning about religions is part of understanding the world. However, they are asking girls to cover their head/hair when entering the mosque; which I don't like. I mean, I 100% understand that the mosque requires that of women and I respect their requirement. It's their right. As is my right to never enter a mosque (and why I also try to avoid synagogues and churches as much as possible). But now the school is forcing me to tell my kid that I am not signing the consent form for them to go on the field trip. And I have to deal with my kids telling me that they will feel excluded. I guess it is a small price to pay for living in a religious society. I was naive in thinking that a public school wouldn't do this to families...I'm pissed off...End of rant.

Are they not also requiring boys/men to cover their heads in the synagogue?

Yeah, I wondered the same? The synagogues I've attended also had gender-based dress codes.

[Anonymous]

If the trip was to a public pool, you’re saying the girls could go topless because it’s gender discriminatory to force the girls to wear tops when the boys don’t have to?

[Anonymous]

The irony here is that the people who think they are all so progressive are the most intolerant of them all. How smug you are to insult a person's faith and customs because they don' t align with your own.

I think it is a great trip that is aligned to Social Studies standards and exposes students to concepts they might not otherwise be exposed to. Let the kids go and make their own decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The irony here is that the people who think they are all so progressive are the most intolerant of them all. How smug you are to insult a person's faith and customs because they don' t align with your own.

I think it is a great trip that is aligned to Social Studies standards and exposes students to concepts they might not otherwise be exposed to. Let the kids go and make their own decisions.

I totally agree. By covering your head in a mosque you're not condoning anything. You're simply saying, "I've come to your house and I will respect your rules." I can't believe how many people simply don't get that. I remember going to mosques, Buddhist temples, catholic cathedrals, and synagogues when I was younger and it never occurred to me to stage some kind of a protest by not following what is customary. That would be so disrespectful.

Students need to be exposed to as many customs and cultures as possible. Only then will we live in a better, more inclusive, and tolerant society.

[Anonymous]

Years ago, before I travelled to Morocco, I read a book of essays by Muslim women. One of the essays stayed with me all these years. I sometimes think about what this one woman wrote. She viewed covering herself as liberating. She said she was not judged by the superficial standards of the west. Her claim was that western women were enslaved by beauty standards set by men. Ladies, if we are honest with yourself es, think about the amount of time we devote to this.

Sometimes I think it might be liberating to not have to worry about my thighs, my belly etc. Just saying there are different perspectives. Not anyone is correct. Just something to think about.

Maybe find that essay or another similar one for your daughter to read. Give her a different perspective and let her form her own opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, before I travelled to Morocco, I read a book of essays by Muslim women. One of the essays stayed with me all these years. I sometimes think about what this one woman wrote. She viewed covering herself as liberating. She said she was not judged by the superficial standards of the west. Her claim was that western women were enslaved by beauty standards set by men. Ladies, if we are honest with yourself es, think about the amount of time we devote to this.

Sometimes I think it might be liberating to not have to worry about my thighs, my belly etc. Just saying there are different perspectives. Not anyone is correct. Just something to think about.

Maybe find that essay or another similar one for your daughter to read. Give her a different perspective and let her form her own opinion.

Great addition to this thread. Thank you for providing some much-needed perspective.

[Anonymous]

OP. You sound kind of intolerant.

[Anonymous]

Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids are in 6th grade at Deal. They are studying religion in their geography class and, as part of the class, the school is organizing a field trip to a mosque, a church, and a synagogue. We are atheist but we understand that learning about religions is part of understanding the world. However, they are asking girls to cover their head/hair when entering the mosque; which I don't like. I mean, I 100% understand that the mosque requires that of women and I respect their requirement. It's their right. As is my right to never enter a mosque (and why I also try to avoid synagogues and churches as much as possible). But now the school is forcing me to tell my kid that I am not signing the consent form for them to go on the field trip. And I have to deal with my kids telling me that they will feel excluded. I guess it is a small price to pay for living in a religious society. I was naive in thinking that a public school wouldn't do this to families...I'm pissed off...End of rant.

YOU ARE RIDICULOUS

Your children are being hurt by your stupidity and your immature behavior. Grow up.

This is a school field trip to learn. Clearly something your mother failed at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”