Rant about Deal and their religious field trip

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

What about forcing a child to wear a helmet while playing sport or skiing?

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Anonymous wrote:Hard pass. Ask to see if there is an in-school option. Having had family members forcibly veiled (even though not mandated by the Quran) I cannot condone forcing children to veil during school (state actor). Adults make their own choices in a democratic society. Children should not be forced. It is always disappointing when Western feminists fail their ideals. Being Liberal does not mean supporting illiberal ideals or holding of the patriarchy.

Also disappointing that you failed to notice the school has made no such official requirement.

It’s in the original post. But I get it you see Islam as primitive and WOC as being less than and less deserving of rights. Consider reading more Islamic feminists when not trolling DCUM.

And it was disproven in subsequent posts. Try reading the thread before you comment. Is this the depth of understanding you usually bring to your “reading?”

It was actually not disproven - in fact a woman wrote about being required by the mosque to wear a head covering. That is a common practice in misjads. Again, if families want to do make their daughters wear a headscarf- that’s on their conscience. But this is a school trip - during school hours. The school should provide an in-school option for parents who want to opt out of this misogynistic practice and/or demonstrate political consciousness and solidarity with the women and girls in Iran.

Please read this post one more time when you are not so heated and angry. No, this won’t weigh on the conscience of most people, who will see this as an opportunity to learn about a different culture. No, most people will not worry about the “misogynistic practice” because they will appreciate that there are American Muslims who choose to wear a head covering because they want to, not because they have to.

I’m fascinated by this distorted “tolerance.” We are called to support others. Is another woman’s head covering here in the US really such an affront to you? If so, that’s unfortunate.

NP. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a problem with women CHOOSING to wear a headscarf. We have a problem with a public school forcing that choice on girls to participate in a school field trip.

Do you really not see the difference?

What about forcing a child to wear a helmet while playing sport or skiing?

That's a silly whataboutism even by dumb blog standards. But, in answer to your dumb question, if the rule applied only to girls and not boys, and if it was imposed for religious and not safety reasons, that would also be a problem.

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This thread is still active? Being so militant and angry all the time must be exhausting!

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Anonymous wrote:What did your kid say when you explained to them that some houses of worship have dress code rules? If you were a tourist somewhere, you would also cover to enter some places and take your shoes off if you went to a Japanese persons house. I dont get what the big deal is. As a public school family you can opt out of the field trip but you dont get to change the rules for someones belief.

No, of course I don't want them to change their rules for my (lack of) beliefs.
And yes, if I was a tourist interested in going to a church or whatever I'd have to respect their rules. That's why I prefer other destinations.
My rant was more about the school putting parents of girls in a position where I have to let my kid go or make them feel like they are being excluded.

This, OP, is ridiculous. You're upset that the school has scheduled something that you don't agree with, and you have to tell your kid she can't go? You believe the school should shield you from the consequences of your parenting decisions? Idiotic.

Absolutely 100% spot on.

I get OPs point of view that a head scarf could be interpreted as a sign of oppression of women. I personally would want my children to have the opportunity to visit a mosque and do believe that understanding major religions is important. I would have them accommodate in the same way as if for example we visited a Muslim country and had to abide by certain rules.