Teen killed by drunk teen in car accident- Arlington

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Even worse spot to be drunk and barreling through a neighborhood 20-30mph+ over the speed limit.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how fast the SUV was driving. The speed limit on Old Dominion is 30 or 35, I think. So, so sad.

This. Speed kills! Of course so does alcohol. But speeding is just as bad.

This is absurd. You really think speeding is "just as bad" as impairement?

I, a 42 year old woman with 20/20 vision, who does not use my phone with driving and never drives impaired, is "just as bad" as a person who drives drunk or texting, if I'm going 10-15 over the limit but fully present? Absolutely not. Ridiculous.

Yes. Sorry to burst your bubble. On a neighborhood road, with the speed limit being 25/30 and you’re trying to justify going 40/45?! Nope. That’s how people die. People who do NOT speed are much less likely to get in any accident. And every accident is made worse with speed. Teach your kids too. Clearly alcohol was a player here too, but if this kid hasn’t been speeding he wouldn’t have hit the other child. Also, see the horrific Oakton accident in June. No alcohol, only speed.

Excessive speed is also bad but you’re way off base here.

No, poster is exactly right. As a former prosecutor who has processed far too many crashes it makes me very angry when habitual RECKLESS drivers pooh pooh their speeding as no big deal. Driving over the speed limit in any conditions puts other drivers on the road at risk, and you’re making the decision to do it while stone cold sober so frankly I think you’re worse than someone who probably started the night planning to get home safely but after the effects of alcohol inebriation on the frontal cortex has made a terrible decision to drive.

NHTSA has done studies which establish that driving distracted by digital device use is more dangerous to the other drivers on the road than driving under the influence.

All the type A aggressive speeders (and likely tailgaters) who won’t put down their phone while barreling down the road are SHAMEFUL, just as drivers under the influence. Shame on all of you!

You’re talking bologna.

Any DUI conviction gets your license suspended. Regular speeding doesn’t.

Agree with pp that this^ idiot is responding to. Look at the photos and what speeding did to the victim's car---and it would have done it whether or not the kid blew over the limit or not. He would not have been able to stop in time at that rate of speed and the force of the collision eviscerated the car.

The highways around here are crazy. The excessive speed and weaving in and out of traffic and getting right on someone's tail so that if they even tapped the brakes they'd be in your trunk is normal driving on the roads around here.

40mph in a 25mph zone kills kids on bikes, kids running across the road to get a ball and not looking, etc. This is 'regular speeding' to the idiot that wants to argue speeding isn't bad.

Why are teaching young drivers who see you drive everyday that speeding ''as long as it is just 'regular old speeding' is okay'. Speed limits are set for reasons. Slow zones in front of schools, Slower speeds in residential or busy areas with lots of pedestrians.

And, you get enough of those 'regular old speeding tickets' and, yes, your license will get suspended too. You will have to take a driver education course as well.

Intelligent person, do you know that 81 on a 35 is reckless driving and not regular speeding?

I am not defending speeders, but just quoting the law. And DUI driving ALWAYS includes speeding, and usually reckless speeds. It most often doesn’t go the other way around.

What seems to be is that you probably drive after a drink or two, and can hold your alcohol, and because you refrain from speeding while drunk, you think you have all your faculties intact.

There is a reason why drunk driving gets your license suspended every time, and REGULAR speeding doesn’t. I didn’t make that law.

Duh. Yes. But, if you get enough 'regular speeding tickets, as you like to call them, in one year you still can have your license suspended, insurance go up and have to take a safety driver's course.

I never drink and drive, NEVER. I saw accidents like this when I was a teen, and had a teammate's father hit and killed by a drunk driver.

I am not one of the pps that you have been arguing with ad nauseum. I just wrote the one post. I have no idea how you conclude I must drink and drive after a glass or two of wine because I'm anti-speeding (in addition to driving under the influence).

It's really strange to be so pro-speeding. Really strange. Are you this way with all misdemenaors--pro-trespassing, pro-littering, etc.? Where do you draw the line on what laws you will follow?

Where did I say that I was pro speeding?

Where did I say that I was pro speeding?

Also, it’s not that I like to call it ‘regular’ speeding. The law differentiates. I am not affiliated to anyone on the link below, but am putting it here to show you that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
https://www.browninglonglaw.com/faqs/differences-between-speeding-and-reckless-driving-offenses.cfm

Our reactions are subpar at high speeds, and hence we shouldn’t speed, but inebriation lowers our reaction time every time. Speed limits are established for the average driver, and they are fine by me. But, if you drive 26 on a 25, that’s not comparable in any way to drunk driving. There is no need to compare the two, and it’s dishonest to hide behind the speed when drinking was the reason for everything that happened.

I’m sure that the kid who had drunk would most likely not drive at 81 on a 35 if he weren’t drunk, or hadn’t been drinking. Yes, speed was a factor, but a factor that stemmed from the drinking. The speed did not cause the inebriation, but most likely it was the other way around.

Now, you may be experiencing cognitive decline (as also shown by your lack of basic reading comprehension) and are afraid of any kind of speed. In that case, you better not drive.

You can't assume that. Plenty of high speed crashes by teens where alcohol wasn't involved, like the Oakton accident and many others. Male teens are risk takers, put other teens in the car with them and even more so. I see cars hightailing it out of the high school parking lots leaving skid marks. There was also the deadly Bethesda crash by a teen (sober) driving his dad's BMW.

Again, speed kills quite often. College friend, and celebrity Paul Walker were killed by speed alone, no other underlying factors (duis or medical conditions).

Barreling down I-495 at 80mph causes fatal crashes when changing lanes go wrong or there is a sudden stop in front of them. The vehicle is harder to control and it takes longer for the brakes to slow it down.

Teens/young adults speed, they think they are invincible. It's fun. They play Forza on the x-box, etc. Kids in this area are given expensive cars.

You make the most idiotic comments. Nobody is arguing that 26 in a 25 is even considered speeding given the flucctuation in speed within a few miles of the speed limit. It's not something you would even be pulled over for. But, 40mph in a 25 mph--yes if a cop is there--you are getting pulled over. 80mph on a 55mph--you will get pulled over.

I really hope you aren't teaching your kids to think like you do when it comes to driving.

All the examples you gave are reckless driving, not speeding. You are the idiot for not understanding the difference. 15 miles over, or 80m/h at any posted speed limit is reckless driving. That’s the law.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

I think a lot of u-turns get made there. I don't drive that way often but when I do I frequently see u-turns in weird spots on that same road. Part of it is that there are a distinct lack of options if you need to get turned around. Somehow the powers that be seem to think that if they make getting turned around difficult then people will just keep going in the direction they were going in. But life doesn't work that way. I don't want to minimize what this driver did but I can see how it happened. It is a complete tragedy any way you look at it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Stop it! You and the seatbelt poster are disgusting. A family lost their teen. The ONLY one at fault is the drunk driver. Stop it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Stop it! You and the seatbelt poster are disgusting. A family lost their teen. The ONLY one at fault is the drunk driver. Stop it.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Teenage drivers obviously don’t have much experience and may not make the best decisions, especially since their frontal frontal lobes are still developing.

That being said, drunk, impaired teenage drivers are driving weapons. No one making a U-turn in a neighborhood, expects a speeding car to come barreling at them. The impact was so severe the car is barely recognizable.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

I think a lot of u-turns get made there. I don't drive that way often but when I do I frequently see u-turns in weird spots on that same road. Part of it is that there are a distinct lack of options if you need to get turned around. Somehow the powers that be seem to think that if they make getting turned around difficult then people will just keep going in the direction they were going in. But life doesn't work that way. I don't want to minimize what this driver did but I can see how it happened. It is a complete tragedy any way you look at it.

yeah, the people who design roads, etc. in Arlington are REALLY not very big on the Law of Unintended Consequences. I think it's one of the reasons that they don't accept comments on road/traffic management design by email any more.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

I think a lot of u-turns get made there. I don't drive that way often but when I do I frequently see u-turns in weird spots on that same road. Part of it is that there are a distinct lack of options if you need to get turned around. Somehow the powers that be seem to think that if they make getting turned around difficult then people will just keep going in the direction they were going in. But life doesn't work that way. I don't want to minimize what this driver did but I can see how it happened. It is a complete tragedy any way you look at it.

The roads are very empty at that time of night over there as well. I can see making that turn.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

I think a lot of u-turns get made there. I don't drive that way often but when I do I frequently see u-turns in weird spots on that same road. Part of it is that there are a distinct lack of options if you need to get turned around. Somehow the powers that be seem to think that if they make getting turned around difficult then people will just keep going in the direction they were going in. But life doesn't work that way. I don't want to minimize what this driver did but I can see how it happened. It is a complete tragedy any way you look at it.

yeah, the people who design roads, etc. in Arlington are REALLY not very big on the Law of Unintended Consequences. I think it's one of the reasons that they don't accept comments on road/traffic management design by email any more.

+1--- someone coming up the road at 25-30mph, even 35..would have seen the car (lights were on) and been able to slow down and avoid it. The victim's car was unrecognizable, hit at a high rate of speed.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Stop it! You and the seatbelt poster are disgusting. A family lost their teen. The ONLY one at fault is the drunk driver. Stop it.

+1

Obviously, we don’t want teens drinking under the influence or speeding through neighborhoods. No question. #1 lesson here.

But there are also other lessons: encourage teens to be extra cautious at night (or maybe not drive at night), wear their seatbelts, don’t make u-turns on that road, and don’t drive in small sedans.

I’m not assigning blame but looking for ways to keep my own teen safe when they start driving in a few months.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Stop it! You and the seatbelt poster are disgusting. A family lost their teen. The ONLY one at fault is the drunk driver. Stop it.

+1

Obviously, we don’t want teens drinking under the influence or speeding through neighborhoods. No question. #1 lesson here.

But there are also other lessons: encourage teens to be extra cautious at night (or maybe not drive at night), wear their seatbelts, don’t make u-turns on that road, and don’t drive in small sedans.

I’m not assigning blame but looking for ways to keep my own teen safe when they start driving in a few months.

Don’t drive in small sedans!? Are you serious?

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Stop it! You and the seatbelt poster are disgusting. A family lost their teen. The ONLY one at fault is the drunk driver. Stop it.

+1

Obviously, we don’t want teens drinking under the influence or speeding through neighborhoods. No question. #1 lesson here.

But there are also other lessons: encourage teens to be extra cautious at night (or maybe not drive at night), wear their seatbelts, don’t make u-turns on that road, and don’t drive in small sedans.

I’m not assigning blame but looking for ways to keep my own teen safe when they start driving in a few months.

+1 I'm for the first time thinking about car color (white vs. black, for increased visibility at night)

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

Trying to keep your kid safe has nothing to do with victim blaming.
You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Stop it! You and the seatbelt poster are disgusting. A family lost their teen. The ONLY one at fault is the drunk driver. Stop it.

+1

Obviously, we don’t want teens drinking under the influence or speeding through neighborhoods. No question. #1 lesson here.

But there are also other lessons: encourage teens to be extra cautious at night (or maybe not drive at night), wear their seatbelts, don’t make u-turns on that road, and don’t drive in small sedans.

I’m not assigning blame but looking for ways to keep my own teen safe when they start driving in a few months.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Stop it! You and the seatbelt poster are disgusting. A family lost their teen. The ONLY one at fault is the drunk driver. Stop it.

+1

Obviously, we don’t want teens drinking under the influence or speeding through neighborhoods. No question. #1 lesson here.

But there are also other lessons: encourage teens to be extra cautious at night (or maybe not drive at night), wear their seatbelts, don’t make u-turns on that road, and don’t drive in small sedans.

I’m not assigning blame but looking for ways to keep my own teen safe when they start driving in a few months.

Uh WTF is this? SUVs are the most dangerous even though you selfish fools think they make you safer. They are worse for you and everyone around you, even if you don't think about how they destroy the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they explain how he died “instantly”? Was he wearing a seatbelt?

If we are talking safety that’s a big one.

There is an article on the Channel 5 news page that includes pictures of both vehicles. I don’t want to link to it because the images are pretty upsetting. But based on those pictures, a seatbelt was not the determining factor. Alcohol, speed and utter recklessness were.

Sounds like he was trying to make a u-turn on Old Dominion. Yikes. Hopefully not where they put up those new bollards because of frequent accidents.

You literally cant make a U turn where you describe anymore due to the barriers. It was at old Dominion and Williamsburg one block down. Flowers are at the intersection.

You can make a (dangerous) u-turn there. I’ve seen people do it to make the left.

Was the SUV approaching on Old Dominion or on Williamsburg?

I wonder why they think he was making a u-turn vs. just turning.

Probably to drop off his girlfiend and to turn around and head back home which I assume is back away from McLean since he went to W&L.

Just seems like a bad spot to make a u-turn.

Stop it! You and the seatbelt poster are disgusting. A family lost their teen. The ONLY one at fault is the drunk driver. Stop it.

+1

Obviously, we don’t want teens drinking under the influence or speeding through neighborhoods. No question. #1 lesson here.

But there are also other lessons: encourage teens to be extra cautious at night (or maybe not drive at night), wear their seatbelts, don’t make u-turns on that road, and don’t drive in small sedans.

I’m not assigning blame but looking for ways to keep my own teen safe when they start driving in a few months.

You don't keep your kids safe by victim blaming.