Is Georgetown really that much better than BC?

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Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure, I went to GU and my child is applying to BC ED1.

The more I read about BC, the more I feel like it's on par with Georgetown - mainly because I feel Georgetown has declined over the last 25 years or so. Why is GU considered more prestigious?

BC is great, but the fact your child is applying ED there is meaningful for this comparison: Georgetown has no ED, so the difference in admissions selectivity between the two schools is even greater than would be indicated by simply comparing overall admissions rates.

Selective ≠ Quality

Yes, but selectivity has to be at least a component of any “on par” comparison. This isn’t a zero sum, selectivity vs. quality game. As for “quality,” I don’t know Georgetown well enough to compare it to BC; I will let other posters do that. But I can definitely compare the “quality” of BC to Holy Cross, another Massachusetts private Catholic school — and BC loses on that front.

How so?

Also, you cannot lump BC into "another Catholic School" category. Jesuits will fight you over this. And fairly so, IMO.


BC and HC are considered very equal in that geographical area.

GU is in a class by itself, but there is a poster who does NOT want to hear it.


HC was a safety for my son. BC a target. He ended up at ND. HC not in same league as BC and DS didn’t bother to apply. Too small.


Of course HC is smaller than BC. Their prestige is about equal. Northerners aren't generally much interested in Southern schools.


No they are not equal lol. I'm from Boston area and I can tell you HC is not even close to the same level as BC. It just isn't.

Holy Cross is not in the “Boston area,” so of course you would think that. The two are indeed relatively close in terms of “prestige” — although BC is certainly now more “selective.” Historically, BC has a lot in common with NYU and Northeastern: they were commuter schools. Partly for that reason, BC is still a better place for more vocationally-oriented majors like business. If you want to study classics or something intellectual, go to Holy Cross.

Another consideration: where does BC fit into the hierarchy of greater Boston, mid-size universities? There’s MIT and Harvard. Then the rising Northeastern, Tufts, Boston University, and BC. An argument can be made that BC is 3rd — or, just as convincingly, that it is 4th, 5th, or even 6th.
No such issue with Georgetown: in DC it reigns supreme. Another factor when comparing BC to the likes of Georgetown that should at least be considered...


https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=College+of+the+Holy+Cross&with=Boston+College

When choosing between HC and BC, 77% choose BC.

In other words, from a selectivity standpoint (that’s all parchment data is, to the extent it is even valid data), the difference between Notre Dame and Boston College is much greater than the difference between Boston College and Holy Cross. Sounds about right to me...
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Anonymous wrote:Yo crazy ND booster — lots of local kids, competitive for top 20 schools, are passing on ND. DD and friends just last night said they were relieved they never considered going to school in Indiana. ND can be a great school for some and others can choose to skip it. It’s fine. This should not rock your world. No need to challenge every single poster who mentions that it’s not on their kid’s list. More room for you and yours.


My kid has no interest in ND. He is interested in Georgetown and BC.
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Anonymous wrote:Yo crazy ND booster — lots of local kids, competitive for top 20 schools, are passing on ND. DD and friends just last night said they were relieved they never considered going to school in Indiana. ND can be a great school for some and others can choose to skip it. It’s fine. This should not rock your world. No need to challenge every single poster who mentions that it’s not on their kid’s list. More room for you and yours.


My kid has no interest in ND. He is interested in Georgetown and BC.


But 65 choose ND over Georgetown. Next.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Georgetown+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame
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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame
Georgetown
Boston College
Villanova

were on my kids list. mostly considering intended major program.
It had nothing to do with religious factor.
religion was the last factor or none factor.

Ended up attending Notre Dame Mendoza


My kid has basically the same list. Absolutely loves Boston (the city) and BC (the school) so is applying there ED1. Perhaps also Providence and Fordham as EA schools. It is just a coincidence that the top schools on their list are Catholic; really just wanted mid-size-ish schools with undergrad finance programs in cities.


ND/Mendoza is far and away the best of the bunch for business. But, hey, I hope your kid enjoys the city.


Loves cities. Wouldn't even apply to the ND summer leadership seminars - that's how much they don't want to be in South Bend or in the Midwest. Glad to hear your kid is happy there


I don't have a kid at ND. I'm just saying: no one turns down ND for BC. And that no one turns down ND for BC despite ND being in South Bend and BC being in Boston speaks volumes about how much better ND is.

Wrong. DS, attending Catholic HS, competitive for both & full pay, will not even visit Indiana. Been to BC twice. Many of his friends feel the same.


My son too, full pay at a top public school. I listen to him and his friends chat about their top choices and ND never comes up.


Full pay is irrelevant when it comes to ND. And you need to stop listening in on your kids and their friends' college conversations. That's just plain weird. I couldn't tell you what any of my four kids' friends' "top choices" are. Weird weird weird.


It's weirder to me that you *don't* know your kid's friends' choices. Our house has been full of teenagers all summer (and we took a kid on vacation with us). We can barely avoid hearing their conversations. I suppose they just feel comfortable around us ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Anonymous wrote:LOL some people are just clueless

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=boston+college&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

If accepted both, 93% choose ND, only 7% BC



Oh wow...I was just going to look that up...didn't expect the numbers to be so wide.

Interestingly, Holy Cross does better against Notre Dame than does BC: 87% to 13%.
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Unless you’re really looking to intern on the Hill and be deep in politics, BC is much more enjoyable. My DH chose it over Georgetown many years ago. BC has a close knit community, including alumni, with constant growth and a gorgeous campus right outside of Boston. I hope your child is accepted.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL some people are just clueless

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=boston+college&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

If accepted both, 93% choose ND, only 7% BC



Oh wow...I was just going to look that up...didn't expect the numbers to be so wide.

Interestingly, Holy Cross does better against Notre Dame than does BC: 87% to 13%.

I guess some kids really like remote locations. Solitary thinking while sitting under a tree type things.
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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown was founded by slave owners.


You mean like Harvard, Yale, Brown….
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Anonymous wrote:Yo crazy ND booster — lots of local kids, competitive for top 20 schools, are passing on ND. DD and friends just last night said they were relieved they never considered going to school in Indiana. ND can be a great school for some and others can choose to skip it. It’s fine. This should not rock your world. No need to challenge every single poster who mentions that it’s not on their kid’s list. More room for you and yours.


Yet another weirdo parent listening in on her children and their friends. So odd.

Crazy ND booster: it’s not listening “in” it’s listening to and talking with — this was a conversation among the girls AND moms. Clearly something you don’t understand. Converse with these 17 yr olds — they have a lot to say.


Yea, I'm sure the girls and their friends love their mothers breathing down their necks about colleges on a summer evening. You clearly are one of THOSE people. I feel sorry for the girls.

Considering yesterday’s news, we’ve been parts of lots of conversation about Indiana. Try it.


Indiana's abortion laws are not going to affect ND's applications.


You're mostly right, I'm sure. But it is affecting my kid's list and the lists of her friends.
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In general, ND >= GT > BC > HC
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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown was founded by slave owners.


You mean like Harvard, Yale, Brown….


+1

Other PP has got to be tired of posting this same schtick on every thread by now.
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Anonymous wrote:LOL some people are just clueless

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=boston+college&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

If accepted both, 93% choose ND, only 7% BC



Oh wow...I was just going to look that up...didn't expect the numbers to be so wide.

Interestingly, Holy Cross does better against Notre Dame than does BC: 87% to 13%.

I guess some kids really like remote locations. Solitary thinking while sitting under a tree type things.


LOL, I wish that were the case, but there's some serious partying happening at Notre Dame for sure.
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Anonymous wrote:Yo crazy ND booster — lots of local kids, competitive for top 20 schools, are passing on ND. DD and friends just last night said they were relieved they never considered going to school in Indiana. ND can be a great school for some and others can choose to skip it. It’s fine. This should not rock your world. No need to challenge every single poster who mentions that it’s not on their kid’s list. More room for you and yours.


Yet another weirdo parent listening in on her children and their friends. So odd.

Crazy ND booster: it’s not listening “in” it’s listening to and talking with — this was a conversation among the girls AND moms. Clearly something you don’t understand. Converse with these 17 yr olds — they have a lot to say.


Yea, I'm sure the girls and their friends love their mothers breathing down their necks about colleges on a summer evening. You clearly are one of THOSE people. I feel sorry for the girls.

Considering yesterday’s news, we’ve been parts of lots of conversation about Indiana. Try it.


Indiana's abortion laws are not going to affect ND's applications.


You're mostly right, I'm sure. But it is affecting my kid's list and the lists of her friends.


Wonderful! Less competition for my DC!
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I agree with ND >= GU > BC > HC. Only on DCUM would anyone debate these points. Selectivity matters, because the quality of your fellow students has a tremendous impact on the quality of the education. Sure, it is not everything, but it is important, and the differences in selectivity are huge between these schools.
BC’s undergrad business program is not better than GU’s. Neither is ND’s (at best they would be equal).
BC is on the rise and has a lot going for it, including being fun.
HC is solid academically.
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Anonymous wrote:Yo crazy ND booster — lots of local kids, competitive for top 20 schools, are passing on ND. DD and friends just last night said they were relieved they never considered going to school in Indiana. ND can be a great school for some and others can choose to skip it. It’s fine. This should not rock your world. No need to challenge every single poster who mentions that it’s not on their kid’s list. More room for you and yours.


Yet another weirdo parent listening in on her children and their friends. So odd.

Crazy ND booster: it’s not listening “in” it’s listening to and talking with — this was a conversation among the girls AND moms. Clearly something you don’t understand. Converse with these 17 yr olds — they have a lot to say.


Yea, I'm sure the girls and their friends love their mothers breathing down their necks about colleges on a summer evening. You clearly are one of THOSE people. I feel sorry for the girls.

Considering yesterday’s news, we’ve been parts of lots of conversation about Indiana. Try it.


Indiana's abortion laws are not going to affect ND's applications.


You're mostly right, I'm sure. But it is affecting my kid's list and the lists of her friends.


Wonderful! Less competition for my DC!

Congrats. May be the last free choice you have. Good luck in Indiana.
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