Separaton of Church and State

[Anonymous]

So much passion about saying a prayer. Mostly from folks with zero skin in the game. Out with prayer because the kids have so many other things now to influence them - so many things to desensitize their reactions to violence and hate. Much better way to go.

[Anonymous]

So much passion and vitriol towards prayer from people with no skin in the game. The devil works in mysterious ways!

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Anonymous wrote:So much passion about saying a prayer. Mostly from folks with zero skin in the game. Out with prayer because the kids have so many other things now to influence them - so many things to desensitize their reactions to violence and hate. Much better way to go.

So many other things? Like what?

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Anonymous wrote:So much passion about saying a prayer. Mostly from folks with zero skin in the game. Out with prayer because the kids have so many other things now to influence them - so many things to desensitize their reactions to violence and hate. Much better way to go.

So many other things? Like what?

Social media, video games on demand, any and every type of media one wants to access via the internet. You must be trolling with that question.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.

Well thank god the Supreme Court rules what he was doing is constitutional. You people expect us to abide by the rulings of the liberal courts for YEARS, now turnabout is FairPlay.

Please tell me how any liberal rulings (I will wait for the exact examples) changed YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

Warren court: specifically Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp

We were immediately pulled from public school and went private at a significant cost and burden to my parents.

You are free to look up more as I won’t do your work for you.

You are saying your parents were so reactionary to prayer and MANDATORY Bible readings being removed from public schools that they put you in a private religious school- is that correct?

That isnt a Liberal ruling - its against the 1st amendment since they were Mandatory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much passion and vitriol towards prayer from people with no skin in the game. The devil works in mysterious ways!

Silly. Everybody has skin in the game. Freedom of religion means an agent of the state can’t use a position that gives him a captive audience of kids under his supervision to manipulate them to participate in his religious posturing. I grew up and played sports in the South. I still despise some of the coaches for this kind of power play bullshit. It’s all fake religion.

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Does this apply only to coaches or can anybody walk out on the field after a game and perform a public display of their religion? It’s not part of his job and it’s not a school activity, it’s a personal private observance so presumably any person is entitled to proclaim their 1st Amendment rights on the 50 yard line after a football game.

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Anonymous wrote:So much passion and vitriol towards prayer from people with no skin in the game. The devil works in mysterious ways!

We all have skin in this game.

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Anonymous wrote:Does this apply only to coaches or can anybody walk out on the field after a game and perform a public display of their religion? It’s not part of his job and it’s not a school activity, it’s a personal private observance so presumably any person is entitled to proclaim their 1st Amendment rights on the 50 yard line after a football game.

I don’t see why it would not be okay for anyone to do. Publicly owned space - so have at it. Probably not okay on a private school field or space however.

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Anonymous wrote:Does this apply only to coaches or can anybody walk out on the field after a game and perform a public display of their religion? It’s not part of his job and it’s not a school activity, it’s a personal private observance so presumably any person is entitled to proclaim their 1st Amendment rights on the 50 yard line after a football game.

Sure. Go for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this apply only to coaches or can anybody walk out on the field after a game and perform a public display of their religion? It’s not part of his job and it’s not a school activity, it’s a personal private observance so presumably any person is entitled to proclaim their 1st Amendment rights on the 50 yard line after a football game.

This points out another fallacy in the opinion. They say the coach is acting personally, not as a coach, at the time but they assume the coach has a right to occupy the football field after the game because he is coach. He is acting as public employee coach, not as a random person, and is granted extra privileges as coach for publicly expressing his religion in a place and time that would be off limits to other people.

[Anonymous]

I don't get any of it. Can someone explain?

Why do these right wing social conservatives and religious zealots keep trying to impose their will on everyone?

If you want to practice your religion, fine.
If you don't believe in abortions, fine, don't have one.
If you don't believe in gay marriage, fine, don't have one.

But why do you insist on imposing your religious views and your beliefs on everyone else? We aren't imposing ours on you. If someone else needs an abortion that's none of your business. We aren't forcing you to have an abortion. Who someone falls in love with and marries is none of your business. We aren't forcing you to enter into a gay marriage.

Keep in your lane. Mind your damn business. Stop trying to force the rest of us to live life your way.

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Anonymous wrote:It starts at the top. For example, why do political leaders participate in prayer breakfasts? Why are sessions of Congress opened with prayer? Why does a supposedly secular nation employ chaplains? It is un-American at its core. All this needs to be abolished. Those who bring religion into the public sphere need to be silenced and shown no tolerance. Do not let them crush our increasingly fragile democracy.

This. I’ve never understood this. The problem is those of us who are “more liberal” seem to have thought it wouldn’t be harmful. But clearly that tolerance was misplaced.

I’ve always thought it was harmful. I always thought it was foreboding and could ultimately portend a more sinister path.

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Anonymous wrote:So much passion about saying a prayer. Mostly from folks with zero skin in the game. Out with prayer because the kids have so many other things now to influence them - so many things to desensitize their reactions to violence and hate. Much better way to go.

I’m Jewish and, if my kid was on that team, I wouldn’t want them feeling pressured to participate in a Christian prayer.

Try to get it.