Separaton of Church and State

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When SCOTUS abuses facts and creates alternative facts, we are done.

+1 Time for states to ignore them. The court is a sham.

ALSO -- how is that not absolutely abusive behavior on the coach's part. Sickening.

The best thing I ever did was leave the church. It's sole purpose appears to be divide and conquer. Not exactly what the bible says.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am I reading this wrong that the guy prayed on his own time and didn't lead anything?

I am a committed atheist but I don't see anything wrong with a private prayer.

Please read before you opine. Also, see other ruling about religious school funding.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I reading this wrong that the guy prayed on his own time and didn't lead anything?

I am a committed atheist but I don't see anything wrong with a private prayer.

He violated the rights of others by praying in the public sphere. Do whatever you want in your own home or in a building specifically designated for religion but do not bring religion into the public sphere.

So I am not allowed to pray anywhere in the "public sphere"??? Not allowed to thank God for the food in front of me at a restaurant? Not allowed to stand in the middle of Yosemite and thank God for its beauty? Not allowed to pray for someone's recovery if I am walking down the street and see a car accident?

Stop being obtuse. But the pp above you left an opening, so I will explain. You, as you very well know, have a right to pray before a restaurant meal or thank God for Yosemite. Even at the top of your voice. That does not define a separation of church and state. What does is a state-funded high school that has a FB coach who is openly religious on the field after games while there are people still in the stands, who welcomes his young teammates to join in. I don't have to listen to your prayers in a restaurant booth, but a child might believe they are obligated to participate in this prayer session because there exists a power dynamic between coach and minor coachee. Frankly, as I said above, it was abusive. Try substituting anything else and see if you agree, regardless of the church/state separation.

[Anonymous]

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When SCOTUS abuses facts and creates alternative facts, we are done.

+1 Time for states to ignore them. The court is a sham.

ALSO -- how is that not absolutely abusive behavior on the coach's part. Sickening.

The best thing I ever did was leave the church. It's sole purpose appears to be divide and conquer. Not exactly what the bible says.

I think George Carlin said it best:

"Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll to to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money."

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Anonymous wrote:This is about free speech and free exercise of religion.

No student is forced to participate in a post game prayer. This decision affirms the right for a coach to pray publicly following a game (or before a game).

This does not violate the separation of church and state.

Did you ever play HS sports? When the coach asks the team to participate in a public team prayer, there is a lot of pressure for everyone to participate. The ones who don’t want to do it bow their heads and are silent or mumble. If you are going to object to the prayer you may as well quit the team because you will be treated as a problem.

A few players went to Coach Kennedy to express that they were uncomfortable joining the prayer.
Do you know what he did?
He made them co-captains because he admired their willingness to speak out to him and to express their opinions. He viewed them as leaders.

If a player feels as if he/she has been pressured..... they can take that case to court.

Still coercive. In essence, his public prayer forces high school kids to declare and defend their religious beliefs in order to play a sport.

That is just not true. There was no coercion. Nobody has to defend their religious beliefs, or lack of them, in order to play a sport.

The hysteria here is ridiculous. The only thing wrong with this ruling is that 3 Justices dissented.

The coach is in a position of power and authority over the players. He gave students who did not join in non-preferential treatment.

Also, what a terrible, non-inclusive team culture. The way you celebrate a victory is with a Christian prayer? What is you are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist you don’t get to celebrate and bond with your team ?

How is making two who spoke up co-captains non-preferential treatment? My goodness your lies upon lies never stop.

The coach said that to deflect. Players shouldn’t have to take a stand for or against the coach over public prayer. No players should be rewarded or punished for praying or not praying. You shouldn’t need to do any of this to play high school sports at a public school. The coach needs to stay in his lane. A lot of football coaches make a show of performative Christianity. It’s often a manipulative and hypocritical pose. Don’t enable them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SCOTUS is full of Justices who went to private religious schools where coerced public displays of religion are expected.

This is an important point. Most members of the current court have absolutely no experience with what most of us would view as the norms of public schools in the US. It’s a very heavy, multi-pronged set of biases — that in no way reflect the experiences of most US citizens.
And, of course, the Federalist Society picked them young, so they’ll be with us for decades. Two of them even attended the same Catholic HS, which troubles me a lot more than knowing that several of them attended the same top tier law schools.

I still want to know who paid off Kavanaugh’s loans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is about free speech and free exercise of religion.

No student is forced to participate in a post game prayer. This decision affirms the right for a coach to pray publicly following a game (or before a game).

This does not violate the separation of church and state.

Read the case. Students felt pressured to participate in the coach’s prayers because they thought if they didn’t then they would be disfavored and not get playing time.

DUH! Its like people have never heard of coercion or power plays before. If a Coach wants to pray he should tell his/her team- I am taking a moment to pray. I invite you to take a moment as well whether it be to pray to your God, to meditate, to be thankful, to think of your family in the stands. Whatever makes you feel best.

A public school should have NO OPEN DISPLAYS OF RELIGION FROM THOSE IN POWER. No crosses in their classrooms, no praying before games, etc.

[Anonymous]

Time for an explicit constitutional amendment to separate church and state. We need to go secular like the French.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.

Well thank god the Supreme Court rules what he was doing is constitutional. You people expect us to abide by the rulings of the liberal courts for YEARS, now turnabout is FairPlay.

Please tell me how any liberal rulings (I will wait for the exact examples) changed YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.

Well thank god the Supreme Court rules what he was doing is constitutional. You people expect us to abide by the rulings of the liberal courts for YEARS, now turnabout is FairPlay.

Please tell me how any liberal rulings (I will wait for the exact examples) changed YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

Warren court: specifically Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp

We were immediately pulled from public school and went private at a significant cost and burden to my parents.

You are free to look up more as I won’t do your work for you.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.

Well thank god the Supreme Court rules what he was doing is constitutional. You people expect us to abide by the rulings of the liberal courts for YEARS, now turnabout is FairPlay.

Please tell me how any liberal rulings (I will wait for the exact examples) changed YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

Warren court: specifically Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp

We were immediately pulled from public school and went private at a significant cost and burden to my parents.

You are free to look up more as I won’t do your work for you.

Lol get real. We all know your parents pulled you out after a court ordered desegregation of your school district. Just like every white family that fled to a Christian “academy”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.

Well thank god the Supreme Court rules what he was doing is constitutional. You people expect us to abide by the rulings of the liberal courts for YEARS, now turnabout is FairPlay.

Please tell me how any liberal rulings (I will wait for the exact examples) changed YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

Warren court: specifically Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp

We were immediately pulled from public school and went private at a significant cost and burden to my parents.

You are free to look up more as I won’t do your work for you.

Lol get real. We all know your parents pulled you out after a court ordered desegregation of your school district. Just like every white family that fled to a Christian “academy”

Black family but nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.

Well thank god the Supreme Court rules what he was doing is constitutional. You people expect us to abide by the rulings of the liberal courts for YEARS, now turnabout is FairPlay.

Please tell me how any liberal rulings (I will wait for the exact examples) changed YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

Warren court: specifically Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp

We were immediately pulled from public school and went private at a significant cost and burden to my parents.

You are free to look up more as I won’t do your work for you.

Your parents CHOSE to send you to private school. How on earth is that being forced to do anything? Engel v Vitale decided that a school couldn’t have an official prayer. The fact that your parents pulled you from public school proves that public school was a de facto religious institution! Once that changed then they had to spend their own money to indoctrinate you rather than my parents taxes! Despicable that you want to indoctrinate my children into your cult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.

Well thank god the Supreme Court rules what he was doing is constitutional. You people expect us to abide by the rulings of the liberal courts for YEARS, now turnabout is FairPlay.

Please tell me how any liberal rulings (I will wait for the exact examples) changed YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

Warren court: specifically Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp

We were immediately pulled from public school and went private at a significant cost and burden to my parents.

You are free to look up more as I won’t do your work for you.

School District v. Schempp was to stop school sponsored bible reading. Would your parents have kept you in public school if Satanic rituals were promoted? Hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.

Well thank god the Supreme Court rules what he was doing is constitutional. You people expect us to abide by the rulings of the liberal courts for YEARS, now turnabout is FairPlay.

Please tell me how any liberal rulings (I will wait for the exact examples) changed YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

Warren court: specifically Engel v. Vitale and Abington School District v. Schempp

We were immediately pulled from public school and went private at a significant cost and burden to my parents.

You are free to look up more as I won’t do your work for you.

Lol get real. We all know your parents pulled you out after a court ordered desegregation of your school district. Just like every white family that fled to a Christian “academy”

Black family but nice try.

I don’t believe your lyin’ ass for a second. Prove your bonafides.