One D.C. stop-sign camera brought in $1.3 million in tickets in 2 years

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

There's a difference in perspective I suppose.

For long-time DC residents, the question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now is how else can we make our streets safer for our many schoolchildren, pedestrians and bikers?

For many VA/MD commuters, safety is not a top concern. It just boils down to getting home as fast as possible. Basically, DC streets = Formula 1

Are the cameras increasing safety? I would like to see proof of that. Since the number of tickets and revenue is increasing, it doesn’t seem that’s the case. If it was improving safety then the number of tickets and ticket revenue would go down because compliance increases.

If safety was the goal, then the cameras seem like a huge failure and you would think that if you were actually focused on safe outcomes that you would be proposing something different.

No, the cameras and speed bumps are in fact working. Unfortunately too many pedestrians and bikers are still killed by this commuter road rage, but even more would have been killed without those cameras and speed bumps. The clear solution is that we need even more cameras and speed bumps. Plus congestion charging so that far-flung VA/MD commuters don't even drive into DC but take metro instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

There's a difference in perspective I suppose.

For long-time DC residents, the question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now is how else can we make our streets safer for our many schoolchildren, pedestrians and bikers?

For many VA/MD commuters, safety is not a top concern. It just boils down to getting home as fast as possible. Basically, DC streets = Formula 1

Are the cameras increasing safety? I would like to see proof of that. Since the number of tickets and revenue is increasing, it doesn’t seem that’s the case. If it was improving safety then the number of tickets and ticket revenue would go down because compliance increases.

If safety was the goal, then the cameras seem like a huge failure and you would think that if you were actually focused on safe outcomes that you would be proposing something different.

No, the cameras and speed bumps are in fact working. Unfortunately too many pedestrians and bikers are still killed by this commuter road rage, but even more would have been killed without those cameras and speed bumps. The clear solution is that we need even more cameras and speed bumps. Plus congestion charging so that far-flung VA/MD commuters don't even drive into DC but take metro instead.

Source for your claims? Its logical that camera revenue would decrease as compliance/safety improves. So why is revenue so high?

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

There's a difference in perspective I suppose.

For long-time DC residents, the question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now is how else can we make our streets safer for our many schoolchildren, pedestrians and bikers?

For many VA/MD commuters, safety is not a top concern. It just boils down to getting home as fast as possible. Basically, DC streets = Formula 1

I guarantee that most people speeding through your neighborhood are your neighbors. This is always the conclusion when studies are done.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

There's a difference in perspective I suppose.

For long-time DC residents, the question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now is how else can we make our streets safer for our many schoolchildren, pedestrians and bikers?

For many VA/MD commuters, safety is not a top concern. It just boils down to getting home as fast as possible. Basically, DC streets = Formula 1

Are the cameras increasing safety? I would like to see proof of that. Since the number of tickets and revenue is increasing, it doesn’t seem that’s the case. If it was improving safety then the number of tickets and ticket revenue would go down because compliance increases.

If safety was the goal, then the cameras seem like a huge failure and you would think that if you were actually focused on safe outcomes that you would be proposing something different.

No, the cameras and speed bumps are in fact working. Unfortunately too many pedestrians and bikers are still killed by this commuter road rage, but even more would have been killed without those cameras and speed bumps. The clear solution is that we need even more cameras and speed bumps. Plus congestion charging so that far-flung VA/MD commuters don't even drive into DC but take metro instead.

You don't make any sense. The two are not mutually exclusive. Actually, it's quite logical that you would see enhanced revenue AND increased safety the more cameras there are. You're probably just sour grapes because you're getting caught for reckless driving more often now.

Source for your claims? Its logical that camera revenue would decrease as compliance/safety improves. So why is revenue so high?

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

There's a difference in perspective I suppose.

For long-time DC residents, the question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now is how else can we make our streets safer for our many schoolchildren, pedestrians and bikers?

For many VA/MD commuters, safety is not a top concern. It just boils down to getting home as fast as possible. Basically, DC streets = Formula 1

Are the cameras increasing safety? I would like to see proof of that. Since the number of tickets and revenue is increasing, it doesn’t seem that’s the case. If it was improving safety then the number of tickets and ticket revenue would go down because compliance increases.

If safety was the goal, then the cameras seem like a huge failure and you would think that if you were actually focused on safe outcomes that you would be proposing something different.

No, the cameras and speed bumps are in fact working. Unfortunately too many pedestrians and bikers are still killed by this commuter road rage, but even more would have been killed without those cameras and speed bumps. The clear solution is that we need even more cameras and speed bumps. Plus congestion charging so that far-flung VA/MD commuters don't even drive into DC but take metro instead.

Source for your claims? Its logical that camera revenue would decrease as compliance/safety improves. So why is revenue so high?

No, revenue is on a curve in relation to cameras and improvements in compliance. Basically you first have a big increase in revenue and then you need to keep adding cameras until revenue begins to level off.

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You wouldnt know it from listening to the shriekers, but streets are safer now than when there were horse drawn buggies.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

There's a difference in perspective I suppose.

For long-time DC residents, the question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now is how else can we make our streets safer for our many schoolchildren, pedestrians and bikers?

For many VA/MD commuters, safety is not a top concern. It just boils down to getting home as fast as possible. Basically, DC streets = Formula 1

Are the cameras increasing safety? I would like to see proof of that. Since the number of tickets and revenue is increasing, it doesn’t seem that’s the case. If it was improving safety then the number of tickets and ticket revenue would go down because compliance increases.

If safety was the goal, then the cameras seem like a huge failure and you would think that if you were actually focused on safe outcomes that you would be proposing something different.

No, the cameras and speed bumps are in fact working. Unfortunately too many pedestrians and bikers are still killed by this commuter road rage, but even more would have been killed without those cameras and speed bumps. The clear solution is that we need even more cameras and speed bumps. Plus congestion charging so that far-flung VA/MD commuters don't even drive into DC but take metro instead.

Source for your claims? Its logical that camera revenue would decrease as compliance/safety improves. So why is revenue so high?

No, revenue is on a curve in relation to cameras and improvements in compliance. Basically you first have a big increase in revenue and then you need to keep adding cameras until revenue begins to level off.

This is just word salad nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:They have them around Kenilworth. I see they have moved them into the mostly white parts of town now.

I stopped driving into DC as much. That means I spend less money in DC and get fewer tickets, too.

If you're not driving in DC anymore because you get too many tickets, then the citizens of DC definitely come out ahead. Do your terrible driving at home.

Cameras can’t discern who is a terrible driver. Cameras are for raising revenue.

Wrong, if the camera repeatedly catches you for running a stop sign, then you are a terrible driver. The camera is just the messenger, so don't shoot the messenger as they say.

You don’t have to run the stop sign to get a ticket. Imagine two drivers:

Driver A speeds toward a stop sign, quickly stops behind the line and waits four seconds. They then continue because its their turn and oops, they hit a pedestrian.

Driver B sees the pedestrian and slows as they approach the intersection, essentially signaling to the pedestrian that they see them. The pedestrian clears the crosswalk before the car reaches the stop sign. The driver stops for one second and proceeds after determining the intersection is clear.

Driver B is the better, safer driver. They are also the car that receives a ticket.

well hopefully Driver A gets a ticket (or criminal charges) too. You’re just describing different types of enforcement.

Yup. Both drivers A and B committed traffic violations for different reasons. Both should get a ticket/prosecuted.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people who review the camera footage and issue the citations. The cameras just flag likely violations.

Stop rolling through the stop signs. It's not hard.

Who reviews the footage and issues the citations?

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Anonymous wrote:There are people who review the camera footage and issue the citations. The cameras just flag likely violations.

Stop rolling through the stop signs. It's not hard.

Who reviews the footage and issues the citations?

The private company that operate the cameras.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people who review the camera footage and issue the citations. The cameras just flag likely violations.

Stop rolling through the stop signs. It's not hard.

Who reviews the footage and issues the citations?

The private company that operate the cameras.

The one that financially benefits from the tickets and is based in Florida?

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This is something that is easily avoided.

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Because there are an assload of wealthy drivers in NW DC who feel above the law and entitled to whine about it on DCUM and Twitter?

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Anonymous wrote:Because there are an assload of wealthy drivers in NW DC who feel above the law and entitled to whine about it on DCUM and Twitter?

What’s it like to spend your days thinking about how much you hate your neighbors? Must be tiring.

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What’s it like to spend your days thinking about how much you hate your neighbors? Must be tiring.

Wow, would love to see your driving rap sheet.