One D.C. stop-sign camera brought in $1.3 million in tickets in 2 years

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives on a corner where people constantly blow through the stop sign, I think the argument "images show the brake lights were on" is idiotic. Plenty of people slow down at stop signs (brake lights!) without stopping. It's not a slow down sign.

Make a complete stop, behind the line. If that seems outrageously onerous to you, you're a bad driver. These stop signs are in residential neighborhoods and I don't care that you're in a hurry.

I don’t care that you choose to live in a city on a busy road. So there’s that. It’s onerous and a money grab.

Well then go fishtailing in your boring suburb. We don't want your road rage here.

Also, I'd rather have DC raise fines on crazy speeders so that ordinary residents don't have to pay as much in taxes. Seems like an excellent tradeoff

DP but if your goal is to prevent traffic on your busy street in the city, it sounds like the suburbs may actually be the environment you are looking for?

Serious question.

They aren't ticketing people for driving. They're ticketing people for driving poorly and breaking the law. You keep crying about "busy streets" and "traffic" but neither is at issue.
Stop at stop signs. Do it in my city neighborhood and in suburban neighborhoods where I don't care to live. Because it's the law. At the very least, if you can't be bothered to do it, stop freaking whining about getting the ticket that you deserve.

The law is a "complete stop". The law is not stay behind a line for four seconds at a relative standstill.

And tickets are issued for not coming to a complete stop behind the line. The four second thing is a complete lie fabricated by a whiner that was debunked by every posted video. Everyone complaining that they completely stopped rolled the stop sign in their video. Every single one.

Is it? How do the videos debunk that? Did they release videos of cars that weren't ticketed. How does the algorithm determine what is or what is not a complete stop?

Complete stop is a somewhat subjective term. Automated camera runs on objective rules. What are those rules since "complete stop" is not something that can be programmed?

The videos debunk it because every single one shows the person who is claiming to be a safe driver wronged by a tyrannical government failing to stop at the stop sign. You are the one arguing that these tickets are illegitimate. Prove it. Because everyone else who has argued this in the past has been disproven by their own evidence.

That doesn't debunk anything. I'm not arguing anything about the legitimacy or not of individual tickets. What I am saying is that in order for a camera to work simple if/then rules are created. Those rules are not in the law. They are an approximation.

and your point is … ?

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

Doesn’t say where the driver is from. People speeding and blowing though stop signs in your neighborhood are most likely your neighbors.

Story provides zero details about the cause of the accident. While any time a kid gets hurt it’s a tragedy, just because a pedestrian is hit by a car does not mean that it’s the fault of the driver. A lot of Vision Zero recognizes this fact, which is why it promotes lowering speed limits so that if a kid makes a mistake it’s not fatal.

What is stupid is to have this customary knee-jerk response to attack the driver when the facts are not yet available.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

Doesn’t say where the driver is from. People speeding and blowing though stop signs in your neighborhood are most likely your neighbors.

Story provides zero details about the cause of the accident. While any time a kid gets hurt it’s a tragedy, just because a pedestrian is hit by a car does not mean that it’s the fault of the driver. A lot of Vision Zero recognizes this fact, which is why it promotes lowering speed limits so that if a kid makes a mistake it’s not fatal.

What is stupid is to have this customary knee-jerk response to attack the driver when the facts are not yet available.

I know that intersection. The accident was almost certainly due to a driver turning into the crosswalk.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

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Anonymous wrote:They have them around Kenilworth. I see they have moved them into the mostly white parts of town now.

I stopped driving into DC as much. That means I spend less money in DC and get fewer tickets, too.

If you're not driving in DC anymore because you get too many tickets, then the citizens of DC definitely come out ahead. Do your terrible driving at home.

Cameras can’t discern who is a terrible driver. Cameras are for raising revenue.

Wrong, if the camera repeatedly catches you for running a stop sign, then you are a terrible driver. The camera is just the messenger, so don't shoot the messenger as they say.

You don’t have to run the stop sign to get a ticket. Imagine two drivers:

Driver A speeds toward a stop sign, quickly stops behind the line and waits four seconds. They then continue because its their turn and oops, they hit a pedestrian.

Driver B sees the pedestrian and slows as they approach the intersection, essentially signaling to the pedestrian that they see them. The pedestrian clears the crosswalk before the car reaches the stop sign. The driver stops for one second and proceeds after determining the intersection is clear.

Driver B is the better, safer driver. They are also the car that receives a ticket.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

Doesn’t say where the driver is from. People speeding and blowing though stop signs in your neighborhood are most likely your neighbors.

Story provides zero details about the cause of the accident. While any time a kid gets hurt it’s a tragedy, just because a pedestrian is hit by a car does not mean that it’s the fault of the driver. A lot of Vision Zero recognizes this fact, which is why it promotes lowering speed limits so that if a kid makes a mistake it’s not fatal.

What is stupid is to have this customary knee-jerk response to attack the driver when the facts are not yet available.

I know that intersection. The accident was almost certainly due to a driver turning into the crosswalk.

It sounds like you just know everything then. Perhaps you should offer your skills to the police. You could be a major asset towards solving crime in the city.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

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Just obey the traffic laws and you won't get a ticket. The cameras save lives. Too many schoolchildren are still killed by road rage.

Also the whining on this thread is unbearable. You drive recklessly, you deserve that ticket!

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

There's a difference in perspective I suppose.

For long-time DC residents, the question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now is how else can we make our streets safer for our many schoolchildren, pedestrians and bikers?

For many VA/MD commuters, safety is not a top concern. It just boils down to getting home as fast as possible. Basically, DC streets = Formula 1

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Anonymous wrote:They have them around Kenilworth. I see they have moved them into the mostly white parts of town now.

I stopped driving into DC as much. That means I spend less money in DC and get fewer tickets, too.

If you're not driving in DC anymore because you get too many tickets, then the citizens of DC definitely come out ahead. Do your terrible driving at home.

Cameras can’t discern who is a terrible driver. Cameras are for raising revenue.

Wrong, if the camera repeatedly catches you for running a stop sign, then you are a terrible driver. The camera is just the messenger, so don't shoot the messenger as they say.

You don’t have to run the stop sign to get a ticket. Imagine two drivers:

Driver A speeds toward a stop sign, quickly stops behind the line and waits four seconds. They then continue because its their turn and oops, they hit a pedestrian.

Driver B sees the pedestrian and slows as they approach the intersection, essentially signaling to the pedestrian that they see them. The pedestrian clears the crosswalk before the car reaches the stop sign. The driver stops for one second and proceeds after determining the intersection is clear.

Driver B is the better, safer driver. They are also the car that receives a ticket.

well hopefully Driver A gets a ticket (or criminal charges) too. You’re just describing different types of enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

There's a difference in perspective I suppose.

For long-time DC residents, the question we've been asking ourselves for a long time now is how else can we make our streets safer for our many schoolchildren, pedestrians and bikers?

For many VA/MD commuters, safety is not a top concern. It just boils down to getting home as fast as possible. Basically, DC streets = Formula 1

Are the cameras increasing safety? I would like to see proof of that. Since the number of tickets and revenue is increasing, it doesn’t seem that’s the case. If it was improving safety then the number of tickets and ticket revenue would go down because compliance increases.

If safety was the goal, then the cameras seem like a huge failure and you would think that if you were actually focused on safe outcomes that you would be proposing something different.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I’m honestly trying to figure out what you’re communicating here. Are you saying the frequency of accidents is so seldom that traffic enforcement is not justified?

I think it’s abundantly clear that you hate living in the city. At the very least you at least like the city as your own personal domain but hate everyone else in it. What I suggest is that if you have that attitude, maybe the city isn’t for you and you’d be happier in your own homestead. And if you get lonely, just have a lot of babies. Perhaps you are just better suited to a Lancaster, PA lifestyle? You may want to consider it.

um ok dude. you seem a little … off

I am not the person that keeps posting over and over that their neighbors are trying to murder kids. You may want to consider the source of where your hostile feelings about other people in the city originate. Because you are not going to get rid of your neighbors. So if you hate them so much, perhaps the better option is to just remove your self.

I am not quite sure I understand the psychology of people so incredibly triggered by the notion that intersections in cities should be safe?

I am not sure I understand the psychology of someone that imagines everyone around them to be psychopaths. Must be a tough way to live.