Stranger Things Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe it’s 2022 and we still need to analyze every gay or possibly gay character to determine if their existence is realistic and ok or superfluous and done for an agenda. Gay people exist. Many, many more than you think. Surprise!

I have several LGBTQ friends and family members. That said, they are less than 5% of the people I know. So yes, having 2 gay main characters (that aren’t a couple) seems to be an agenda, not representation.
They did plant the seed early in season 1 with Will was being teased for being gay.
I don’t mind - but it is obviously an agenda.

OMG stop watching if you can't handle having TWO gay characters on a show

NP. I'm not bothered by it at all, I love both characters, have gay friends and relations, but I can still acknowledge there is an agenda these days.

Please tell your gay friends and family about "the agenda" you keep seeing in shows so they know they can just cut you out of their life and be done with you.

A real friend would be celebrating the representation.

Where did I say it was a bad agenda. It's a fine agenda. But it's an agenda. It's obvious to everyone, and although many of us support the agenda, we don't always feel that the storytelling is well-served by the agenda. I L-O-V-E Robin's character, but no way a girl would come out like that to a guy like Steve in 1985. It was so (awfully) different back then. So the Robin-Steve relationship sticks out as anachronistic and it takes you out of the moment. Even though, yeah, I wish it was like that for my gay friends in the 80s. Do you understand what I'm getting at?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe it’s 2022 and we still need to analyze every gay or possibly gay character to determine if their existence is realistic and ok or superfluous and done for an agenda. Gay people exist. Many, many more than you think. Surprise!

I have several LGBTQ friends and family members. That said, they are less than 5% of the people I know. So yes, having 2 gay main characters (that aren’t a couple) seems to be an agenda, not representation.
They did plant the seed early in season 1 with Will was being teased for being gay.
I don’t mind - but it is obviously an agenda.

OMG stop watching if you can't handle having TWO gay characters on a show

NP. I'm not bothered by it at all, I love both characters, have gay friends and relations, but I can still acknowledge there is an agenda these days.

Please tell your gay friends and family about "the agenda" you keep seeing in shows so they know they can just cut you out of their life and be done with you.

A real friend would be celebrating the representation.

Huh. Well thanks for telling us all what we are required to think. We will be sure to have only approved thoughts and opinions in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG. I can't believe I just wasted 2 1/2 hours of my life watching that last episode. It so was soooooooooo unnecessarily long. I mistakenly thought it was the series finale, though, so I kept watching to see how it wrapped up. But, it didn't.

Lol.

They really slow rolled it knowing the 5th seasons has to tie everything together with Russia, defeating the underworld, etc.

I was reading the online newspaper and only looked up at certain junctures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe it’s 2022 and we still need to analyze every gay or possibly gay character to determine if their existence is realistic and ok or superfluous and done for an agenda. Gay people exist. Many, many more than you think. Surprise!

Many things exist but aren't deliberately featured on every.single.show. This is just the flavor of the month.

+1. They will have to kiss a bunch in Season 5. It’s the formula.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe it’s 2022 and we still need to analyze every gay or possibly gay character to determine if their existence is realistic and ok or superfluous and done for an agenda. Gay people exist. Many, many more than you think. Surprise!

Many things exist but aren't deliberately featured on every.single.show. This is just the flavor of the month.

Yes, they’re deliberately featured. It’s called representation. It matters.

Yes... it matters for promoting an agenda.

It’s so unrealistic that every show before the 2010’s only had straight people. So unrealistic I’m tired of the hetero agenda! I don’t have a problem with straight people, I just don’t want them shoving it in my face. They even have straight kiss scenes in Stranger Things between Lucas and Max, El and Mike, AND Hopper and Joyce — yuck!

Lol! The data shows viewership goes down the more you cater to fringe groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We just finished episode 9. I didn’t see anything to suggest Will is gay. Where did this come from? Wishful thinking?

It’s the scene where he looks away in the van and sobs after telling Mike the point behind his drawing. I thought it was very moving and I hope they handle it well in the next season. I am really surprised by the homophobia in this thread. I mean, some people may think it’s not homophobia by casually saying that it’s “obligatory” and such nonsense, but that’s really what it is. If three seconds of emotion spark this kind of response, the overreaction tells you something. Anyway, let’s not spoil this thread by this stupidity. One other awesome thing about Season 4 (notwithstanding all of the faults noted by this thread, some of which I agree with) is how hot that fellow Russian prisoner is. Am I wrong?

What if he’s lining for 11 and upset the the old flame who moved away is back and he has to play along.

The writers could already make him Bi and trans. Cover all the trends and bases at once, from the top of the heirarchy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We just finished episode 9. I didn’t see anything to suggest Will is gay. Where did this come from? Wishful thinking?

It’s the scene where he looks away in the van and sobs after telling Mike the point behind his drawing. I thought it was very moving and I hope they handle it well in the next season. I am really surprised by the homophobia in this thread. I mean, some people may think it’s not homophobia by casually saying that it’s “obligatory” and such nonsense, but that’s really what it is. If three seconds of emotion spark this kind of response, the overreaction tells you something. Anyway, let’s not spoil this thread by this stupidity. One other awesome thing about Season 4 (notwithstanding all of the faults noted by this thread, some of which I agree with) is how hot that fellow Russian prisoner is. Am I wrong?

Russian prisoner got like in a hot masculine hetero way, or hot YMCA dancer way? So confused now.

Anyone get thrown off with bridgerton when the lead guy getting the girl all season is super hot gay in real life? I wish I hadn’t read that halfway through the season. Plus he seemed short and has short arms. All made sense then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We just finished episode 9. I didn’t see anything to suggest Will is gay. Where did this come from? Wishful thinking?

It’s the scene where he looks away in the van and sobs after telling Mike the point behind his drawing. I thought it was very moving and I hope they handle it well in the next season. I am really surprised by the homophobia in this thread. I mean, some people may think it’s not homophobia by casually saying that it’s “obligatory” and such nonsense, but that’s really what it is. If three seconds of emotion spark this kind of response, the overreaction tells you something. Anyway, let’s not spoil this thread by this stupidity. One other awesome thing about Season 4 (notwithstanding all of the faults noted by this thread, some of which I agree with) is how hot that fellow Russian prisoner is. Am I wrong?

+ the follow up scene with his brother telling him he loves him no matter what.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The “agenda” is representation. Full stop. We exist, don’t hide us. That’s all. If you have no issues with LGBTQ+ people, then you’d support that “agenda” and seeing two on one show won’t make you roll your eyes or question it.

+1. These gay characters haven’t even had relationships or a kiss with anyone. Yet a certain poster who claims not to have a problem with gay people thinks it’s too “in his/her face.” At least be honest about your homophobia.

I hadn't even thought of that, but you are totally right. All the straight characters have had romance. The gay characters are left to pine and suffer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe it’s 2022 and we still need to analyze every gay or possibly gay character to determine if their existence is realistic and ok or superfluous and done for an agenda. Gay people exist. Many, many more than you think. Surprise!

I have several LGBTQ friends and family members. That said, they are less than 5% of the people I know. So yes, having 2 gay main characters (that aren’t a couple) seems to be an agenda, not representation.
They did plant the seed early in season 1 with Will was being teased for being gay.
I don’t mind - but it is obviously an agenda.

OMG stop watching if you can't handle having TWO gay characters on a show

Can you read? I don’t care, but it’s obviously an agenda.
FWIW, one of my brothers is gay and be is trans. They are in their 50s. Being gay in the 1980s was SCARY. As in beat them to death scary. No one would casually be “out” in Indiana. They would be in super denial. Robin and Harrington aren’t that close when she discloses, which would never happen.
The way Will is playing it is more spot on based on my ACTUAL experience watching my siblings.

I was alive in the 80s, too, so you don't need to lecture me as if you're the only one who knew what it was like. People complaining about TWO gay characters on a TV show have an easy way to prevent themselves the displeasure of that experience.

Will explain further since you’re either dim or being deliberately obtuse. It’s not just one show, it’s every recent show. New kids movies must have the obligatory gay trope. It’s trite. Predictable.

This. Whatever else it may be it is becoming very lazy and manipulative storytelling.

It's not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just finished episode 9. I didn’t see anything to suggest Will is gay. Where did this come from? Wishful thinking?

It’s the scene where he looks away in the van and sobs after telling Mike the point behind his drawing. I thought it was very moving and I hope they handle it well in the next season. I am really surprised by the homophobia in this thread. I mean, some people may think it’s not homophobia by casually saying that it’s “obligatory” and such nonsense, but that’s really what it is. If three seconds of emotion spark this kind of response, the overreaction tells you something. Anyway, let’s not spoil this thread by this stupidity. One other awesome thing about Season 4 (notwithstanding all of the faults noted by this thread, some of which I agree with) is how hot that fellow Russian prisoner is. Am I wrong?

You are not alone in that.

https://www.marieclaire.com/culture/tv-shows/tom-wlaschiha-enzo-stranger-things/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just finished episode 9. I didn’t see anything to suggest Will is gay. Where did this come from? Wishful thinking?

It’s the scene where he looks away in the van and sobs after telling Mike the point behind his drawing. I thought it was very moving and I hope they handle it well in the next season. I am really surprised by the homophobia in this thread. I mean, some people may think it’s not homophobia by casually saying that it’s “obligatory” and such nonsense, but that’s really what it is. If three seconds of emotion spark this kind of response, the overreaction tells you something. Anyway, let’s not spoil this thread by this stupidity. One other awesome thing about Season 4 (notwithstanding all of the faults noted by this thread, some of which I agree with) is how hot that fellow Russian prisoner is. Am I wrong?

A poster is correct.

Um, speaking of hot… hello Hop! And demo-bat fighting Steve?? Wow!!

I am so rooting for Steve and Nancy. Take me along on those family trips to Yellowstone, guys!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe it’s 2022 and we still need to analyze every gay or possibly gay character to determine if their existence is realistic and ok or superfluous and done for an agenda. Gay people exist. Many, many more than you think. Surprise!

Many things exist but aren't deliberately featured on every.single.show. This is just the flavor of the month.

Yes, they’re deliberately featured. It’s called representation. It matters.

Yes... it matters for promoting an agenda.

It’s so unrealistic that every show before the 2010’s only had straight people. So unrealistic I’m tired of the hetero agenda! I don’t have a problem with straight people, I just don’t want them shoving it in my face. They even have straight kiss scenes in Stranger Things between Lucas and Max, El and Mike, AND Hopper and Joyce — yuck!

Lol! The data shows viewership goes down the more you cater to fringe groups.

Totes and that's why no one is watching Stranger Things anymore

https://www.screendaily.com/news/stranger-things-breaks-us-streaming-record/5172259.article#:~:text=A%20month%20ago%2C%20Netflix%20announced,with%20286.79m%20hours%20viewed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “agenda” is representation. Full stop. We exist, don’t hide us. That’s all. If you have no issues with LGBTQ+ people, then you’d support that “agenda” and seeing two on one show won’t make you roll your eyes or question it.

+1. These gay characters haven’t even had relationships or a kiss with anyone. Yet a certain poster who claims not to have a problem with gay people thinks it’s too “in his/her face.” At least be honest about your homophobia.

I hadn't even thought of that, but you are totally right. All the straight characters have had romance. The gay characters are left to pine and suffer.

Well, at least it's not like other shows that have lesbian characters just so they can show lesbian sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “agenda” is representation. Full stop. We exist, don’t hide us. That’s all. If you have no issues with LGBTQ+ people, then you’d support that “agenda” and seeing two on one show won’t make you roll your eyes or question it.

+1. These gay characters haven’t even had relationships or a kiss with anyone. Yet a certain poster who claims not to have a problem with gay people thinks it’s too “in his/her face.” At least be honest about your homophobia.

I hadn't even thought of that, but you are totally right. All the straight characters have had romance. The gay characters are left to pine and suffer.

Well, at least it's not like other shows that have lesbian characters just so they can show lesbian sex.

Yes, at least that. Or so the can kill the queers.