GT/AAP Appeals
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Anonymous
| Sorry that did anyone with a good WISC IV get rejected on appeal?? |
Anonymous
What do you consider a "good" WISC? I would think that one would need a minimum 130 to be considered on appeal, a 135+ would give a kid a solid chance. |
Anonymous
No, these are lower than NNAT and COGAT. I would not submit and would retest or try Stanford Binet. |
Anonymous
| There is no downside to appealing with these scores. The WISC is considered more reliable than the CogAT, and will show that your child is truly functioning in the very superior range (Full Scale IQ 132). You cannot ethically repeat the WISC until one year has passed. Just go for it with these quite excellent scores. The trouble is the GBRS 10, but not much you can do about that. Good luck. |
Anonymous
| I agree with PP. Our AART told us that the WISC was considered a better indicator of ability because it is an individually administered test. Apparently, the committee looks favorably on good WISC results. |
Anonymous
| AART also said that If the school system had the time & money, individual testing would be preferred over a group administered test. |
Anonymous
My daughter also was not admitted with all O's in 2nd grade (I mean all now including 3rd qtr.), NNAT 135 (99%) and high COGATs (cumulative 95%), GBRS 10. School admitted they do not inflate the GBRS and that a 10 from them was a good score. She recently took the WISC and scored 129 (97%), also was tested at the same time in reading and math, perfoming at 4th grade level in each. Our child gets perfect grades and is in the top 3% in IQ. How could she not be admitted on appeal to an advanced academic program that includes the top 11% of the field? If she does not get in on appeal, she will be dropping back a level in key classes next year as she is now in the highest level reading and math groups. That is, with most of her classmates in those groups going to GT, the "highest" non Level IV classes will be made of those in the group behind her. |
Anonymous
Just trying to figure out why she was not admitted... What were her CogAT sub scores? Was there one that was notably "average" or two that were average and one that was high and caused the high composite score? It seems as though high NNAT scores are more common than high CogAT scores, so I wonder if the committee puts more stock in the CogAT. With good work samples and a solid appeal package, it seems as though your daughter may be found eligible on appeal. |
Anonymous
Cogats were Quant 119, non Verbal 122, Verbal 128. These Cogat scores are at or above the mean Cogat scores of the admitted pool in the data made public from the report referenced in this thread (2005-6, last data available). Roughly half of the admitted class in the report scored below these numbers. Here is the link again. http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/Fairfax/Board.nsf/39c6389c088be51585256e56000c1bf2/2b1b2b585a5d305e852570fb004f3f9f/$FILE /Gifted%20and%20Talented%20Center%20Program.pdf I believe that the size of the program has increased since 2005 so I doubt that the average scores of those admitted has increased by any degree since 2006. Your response confirms my frustration -- no specific clear idea why she was not admitted (and you even say only "may" in terms of her appeal). The process and the criteria of admission is unclear and it seems as though no one is willing to share the "back room" inner workings of the review committee, even though it is a public school system. Remember, those running this program are public servants, I doubt such a process run by the government could be done in such secrecy. There is no third party independent process audit/oversight that I can see. Seems that the parents' association should have some role in assessing the fairness of the admissions process. I want to make her appeal package the best it can be and address the deficiencies, but without specifics, it is hard to do so. It seems the standard play is to "take the WISC, submit the new test (even if it only mimics the two prior standardized test scores) and pray for the best". Do you think some borderline applicants are intentionally put on the bubble until they assess how many kids elect to go to centers versus stay at their local schools in order to manage facility capacity issues? |
Anonymous
| I have been told that the AART will somehow select who to give a good rating too and will intentionally keep some kids at the base school because they can go either way. We are dealing with the same thing with our daughter and are currently obtaining documents for an appeal. Just got her WISC and it was 132. |
Anonymous
You have been told this by whom? How exactly does this conspiracy work? Which students are deemed to be held back by the AART and how is the determination made? Is everyone comprising the local school's GBRS committee on board with this process? |
Anonymous
| I don't believe that. There is no conspiracy. Find some other stupid argument to justify why your kid didn't get in. How lame! |
Anonymous
| I would agree with the parent who posted on "05/12/2011 13:12" about the schools trying to keep the good students at the base school - even though it is not justified. An example is my DD - 2nd grader goes to advanced math in school but not to advanced reading, top COGAT and NNAT, but got very low GBRS. We heard from her that another student in her class, who doesn't go to advanced math or reading & similar COGAT and NNAT scores as our daughter made it to GT. It shows that when there is a "tie" situation between 2 students on the overall rank, then a "preferred student" approach may be taken to qualify 1 of them. Don't want to go into details on what I mean "preferred". |
Anonymous
| 17:22- how do you know what the scores are for the "preferred student"? |
Anonymous
| How do so many of you know who PP is? Are you all just a bunch of friends who think you know all there is about the Fairfax AAP program? Is PP an AAP teacher in Fairfax County? What gives here? There seems to be an "in the know" going on in all of these VA Public School forum posts. |