GT/AAP Appeals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello

My kid has the following scores and was not eligible. What are the suggestions/chances for appeal -

NNAT 143 (99%)
COGAT (126,142,131) 99%
GBRS 10
Report card will all 4s and comments indicating good application of strategies , however GBRS rating seems to be the reason.

Interesting. My kid's scores are nearly identical (flipping a couple of the CogAT subscores), and GBRS was 11. DC's grades are not all 4's (some 2's and 3's). I can only guess that maybe the comments didn't show as much creative thought or going beyond as the committee wanted to see? Otherwise, I really don't know.

[Anonymous]

Definitely get a WISC. Those a good test scores and the WISC could validate that those scores.

[Anonymous]

WISC IV: 117, CogAT: 93 percentile and GBRS: 12. Should I appeal with these scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello

My kid has the following scores and was not eligible. What are the suggestions/chances for appeal -

NNAT 143 (99%)
COGAT (126,142,131) 99%
GBRS 10
Report card will all 4s and comments indicating good application of strategies , however GBRS rating seems to be the reason.

Interesting. My kid's scores are nearly identical (flipping a couple of the CogAT subscores), and GBRS was 11. DC's grades are not all 4's (some 2's and 3's). I can only guess that maybe the comments didn't show as much creative thought or going beyond as the committee wanted to see? Otherwise, I really don't know.

My guess is they suspected test prepping and discounted the scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello

My kid has the following scores and was not eligible. What are the suggestions/chances for appeal -

NNAT 143 (99%)
COGAT (126,142,131) 99%
GBRS 10
Report card will all 4s and comments indicating good application of strategies , however GBRS rating seems to be the reason.

Interesting. My kid's scores are nearly identical (flipping a couple of the CogAT subscores), and GBRS was 11. DC's grades are not all 4's (some 2's and 3's). I can only guess that maybe the comments didn't show as much creative thought or going beyond as the committee wanted to see? Otherwise, I really don't know.

My guess is they suspected test prepping and discounted the scores.[/quote
Why do you say that?

[Anonymous]

Hi ,
My dd got 122v, 125q and 130 nv in cogat when she was in third grade. She got similar scores when she took cogat in 2nd grade too. I prepared her for the test in third grade as I felt she was much more capable than the scores she got in 2nd. Preparation did not really help much as the scores did not improve. She is 10 years old now and is in 5th grade. She is born right before cut off and is the youngest in the class. She is very bright and met/exceeded DYS cut off score in explore test in 4th and 5th grades. She took middle school math placement test this year, and the receiving team were concerned about her placement as she got max score on all the three tests that were given. Since she was performing well above grade level in both achievemt and out of level testing, the school decided to give her Wisc. I had no idea about wisc and the school psychologist tested her the same day they took my permission for testing. So there is absolutely no preparation on this one. They also gave her kaufman achievent test the next day. She scored a full scale 148 (136 verbal, 141 perceptual. The school report did not include working memory and procesing speed scores) on wisc and 99.9 on reading and writing composite and > 99.9 in math composite in kaufman. She is now qualified for DYS, and the school recommended grade acceleration. Her HAL ( high ability learner) teacher and class teacher also think she is extremely bright. She also participated in some state level competitions and did extremely well. I'm not sure how she got lower score in cogat which I had prepped her, but got much higher scores in wisc, explore and kaufman which she took totally unprepared. Do I have to worry about lower cogat scores from 2nd and 3rd grade ? Does anyone hsve similar experience? Fyi.. I'm from a midwest state. Since this forum seems to have lot of information aboutcogat and wisc I am posting here. Thank you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi ,
My dd got 122v, 125q and 130 nv in cogat when she was in third grade. She got similar scores when she took cogat in 2nd grade too. I prepared her for the test in third grade as I felt she was much more capable than the scores she got in 2nd. Preparation did not really help much as the scores did not improve. She is 10 years old now and is in 5th grade. She is born right before cut off and is the youngest in the class. She is very bright and met/exceeded DYS cut off score in explore test in 4th and 5th grades. She took middle school math placement test this year, and the receiving team were concerned about her placement as she got max score on all the three tests that were given. Since she was performing well above grade level in both achievemt and out of level testing, the school decided to give her Wisc. I had no idea about wisc and the school psychologist tested her the same day they took my permission for testing. So there is absolutely no preparation on this one. They also gave her kaufman achievent test the next day. She scored a full scale 148 (136 verbal, 141 perceptual. The school report did not include working memory and procesing speed scores) on wisc and 99.9 on reading and writing composite and > 99.9 in math composite in kaufman. She is now qualified for DYS, and the school recommended grade acceleration. Her HAL ( high ability learner) teacher and class teacher also think she is extremely bright. She also participated in some state level competitions and did extremely well. I'm not sure how she got lower score in cogat which I had prepped her, but got much higher scores in wisc, explore and kaufman which she took totally unprepared. Do I have to worry about lower cogat scores from 2nd and 3rd grade ? Does anyone hsve similar experience? Fyi.. I'm from a midwest state. Since this forum seems to have lot of information aboutcogat and wisc I am posting here. Thank you

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

The consensus here on DCUM is that the WISC trumps the CogAT. Probably safe to assume that you don't have to worry about 2nd and 3rd grade test scores now that she's in 5th grade.
You also have a lot of other supporting data.

I read elsewhere that even though there is a correlation between the CogAT and the WISC, that they are different tests and measure different things.
There are a lot of kids here who didn't make the cut off with the CogAT and then have scores in the 99th percentile on the WISC.

[Anonymous]

Thank you so much!

[Anonymous]

Oh that is because the program is not for "smart kids" but "out of the box thinkers".

[Anonymous]

re: cogat test scores….one of my children did poorly on COGAT and she is a straight A student in AAP…test scores do not tell the whole story, wish the Committee would remember that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:re: cogat test scores….one of my children did poorly on COGAT and she is a straight A student in AAP…test scores do not tell the whole story, wish the Committee would remember that
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What was the NNAT score?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:re: cogat test scores….one of my children did poorly on COGAT and she is a straight A student in AAP…test scores do not tell the whole story, wish the Committee would remember that

Well if your child did poorly on the CogAT, but still got into AAP, it seems like the Committee DID remember that - at least in her case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:re: cogat test scores….one of my children did poorly on COGAT and she is a straight A student in AAP…test scores do not tell the whole story, wish the Committee would remember that

maybe because you write her papers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I recently heard opinions that GBRS is not only a subjective assessment primarily made by the class room teacher but also that some schools that have have most of the kids performing good in all respects (grade level, gifted criteria, etc.) want to be very selective in giving high GBRS to the kids so that the school's regular program does not suffer. If that's the case, GBRS loses its credibility for admissions to AAP. Also, the eligible kids in the regular program would not do good as they would be utterly bored. If we have to compete with the excellent education system in place in many parts of the world, all eligible kids should be given the opportunity to fulfill their potential!

well I recently heard, on here actually, that some parents pay as much as $450 to have their children tested by psychologists whose names are passed around on the internet as being "very good." This gives the well-off and highly driven parents a big advantage it would seem over people who can't afford this or who are simply humble enough to accept "no" for an answer.

[Anonymous]

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