How many fights did your kid see at Deal this week?

[Anonymous]

Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Bye white savior

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The grandfathering is not about who was grandfathered.

It is about overcrowding. Take those lovely children a put them in a less crowded school. After you are at capacity - every additional body stresses a system.

Sort of like how the bubble class at Janney (current 9th graders) broke the system. They are all lovely children when you have 20 of them in a classroom. But when you put 30 -the room is overcapacity and things break down

That PP (perhaps it was you) was being plain old racist. Period. The grandfathering led to about 20 extra kids. To blame the current behavior on that is just wrong. Brookland middle and Dunbar high are well under enrolled and they have similar issues. PERIOD. Stop using this excuse as cover for your racism. The problem is you were wrong as those 20 kids are predominantly white and contributing to a lot of the success at Deal/Wilson that you like to brag about.

+1. Complaining about overcrowding is a cover for racism. Some Lafayette parents are doing it too regarding OOB kids coming from EOTP. We see through their not-so-covert attempts to hide their racism.

NP - Overcrowding is real and is projected by DCPS to get worse very soon in the Wilson feeder system. Overcrowded schools are less effective at educating students, more expensive to operate, more chaotic, lead to higher rates of teacher burnout, and are potentially dangerous. Simply conflating concern that DCPS needs a plan to handle overcrowding with racism is ignorant and inflammatory. Please be more careful with your accusations. That said, I agree the grandfathering plays only a small role in the current overcrowding situation and really has nothing to do with the recent fight.

Stop covering for racism. Most of what you say isn't even true and is just a pretext to keep up the discrimination.

Note how the W3EdNet group ranted about overcrowding for years and tried to get EOTP schools kicked out of the Deal-Wilson feeder. They made racist remarks so we don't have to guess at their (your?) intentions. You never wondered why they never ranted against those Ward 4 Lafayette kids going to school with their kids? Or why the Janney and Hearst parents were foaming at the mouth demanding that Shepherd and Bancroft get kicked out of the feeder pattern?

Then DCPS proposed moving schools out of the Wilson feeder pattern and it looked like Janney and Hearst might be the ones moved out. Suddenly the leader of the W3EdNet group changed his mind and declared that we don't even really know if Deal and Wilson are crowded so no need to move anyone out of the boundary.

This is how I know it's racism. But you come on over here EOTP and go door to door explaining to black families in person why they need to leave their in boundary schools and how it's not racist.

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Anonymous wrote:How about not putting kids and teachers in a building that is overcrowded?

Thank you Mayor Bowser for creating a feeder plan that does not support learning. You had the choice not to "Grandfather" in certain neighborhoods - you decided it was in your best political interest.

There is no way to enforce the policy that if you move to another neighborhood in DC that you get to stay at your current school through the truncating grade.

And every year you make Deal fight for every budget dollar that they get - I need to check records again - but I believe it is the smallest budget as measured by total school budget per pupil.

Why not give the teachers there and the administration so city wide respect and enable them to do their jobs. They are trying.

Frankly, Bowser grandfathered in all the kids who fight. It's not PC to say this but they're always, year-after-year from those schools.

Here's one for the person looking for evidence of racism!

+1. Which is weird. And also factually wrong. What “schools” were students from Crestwood and 16th St Heights (the only students that were grandfathered) coming from? If PP knew anything about Crestwood, she wouldn’t have been such an idiotic statement. If PP was being overtly racist by implying it’s the black students that fight, then she’s still wrong because black students are either IB (not grandfathered) or in through OOB feeder, most certainly NOT by being grandfathered. The 20 or so grandfathered kids attending Deal from Crestwood are not causing fights. One just won the debate tournament

We are a family that has benefited from the grandfathered clause. I shake my head and laugh when I read comments like PP upthread. The grandfathered kids are part of the class that is running DC, not causing fights at Deal.

I have a "grandfathered" child at both Deal and Wilson, both of whom are solid-A students, well behaved... and very white. Doesn't the earlier poster know anything about the demographics (and house prices!) of Crestwood? Those schools are *very* lucky to have them.

+1. There's so much racism WOTP. They don't even know much about these EOTP neighborhoods that some of these WOTP parents love to denigrate or the history of Crestwood as an elite neighborhood long before some of the WOTP neighborhoods were considered elite. I'm a white EOTP parent in boundary for Deal and Wilson, and I'd love for Janney and Hearst to get their own new MS and HS so we can stop hearing about overcrowding.

But that would create another WOTP school that’s mostly white.

PP you're responding to here. As far as I'm concerned, let them have their white school. Their real problem is racism. They don't want their kids to go to school with a lot of black kids, and they cite "overcrowding" which is the DC dog whistle. I just want these parents out of our schools so they can stop harassing the rest of us. The big issue now is they don't want to start a brand new school and deal with all the issues that brings. They expect everyone who they don't want at Deal and Wilson to just leave so they can have their established schools that are mostly white.

Why is it your school?

BECAUSE IT'S OUR ASSIGNED SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So for the Janney parents, it’s their school, too. Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Wow. I actually agree that DC and DCPS need to be less lenient on behavior issues and crime, but you didn't do anything out of benevolence. You did whatever you thought was best for your own family, including financially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The grandfathering is not about who was grandfathered.

It is about overcrowding. Take those lovely children a put them in a less crowded school. After you are at capacity - every additional body stresses a system.

Sort of like how the bubble class at Janney (current 9th graders) broke the system. They are all lovely children when you have 20 of them in a classroom. But when you put 30 -the room is overcapacity and things break down

That PP (perhaps it was you) was being plain old racist. Period. The grandfathering led to about 20 extra kids. To blame the current behavior on that is just wrong. Brookland middle and Dunbar high are well under enrolled and they have similar issues. PERIOD. Stop using this excuse as cover for your racism. The problem is you were wrong as those 20 kids are predominantly white and contributing to a lot of the success at Deal/Wilson that you like to brag about.

+1. Complaining about overcrowding is a cover for racism. Some Lafayette parents are doing it too regarding OOB kids coming from EOTP. We see through their not-so-covert attempts to hide their racism.

NP - Overcrowding is real and is projected by DCPS to get worse very soon in the Wilson feeder system. Overcrowded schools are less effective at educating students, more expensive to operate, more chaotic, lead to higher rates of teacher burnout, and are potentially dangerous. Simply conflating concern that DCPS needs a plan to handle overcrowding with racism is ignorant and inflammatory. Please be more careful with your accusations. That said, I agree the grandfathering plays only a small role in the current overcrowding situation and really has nothing to do with the recent fight.

Stop covering for racism. Most of what you say isn't even true and is just a pretext to keep up the discrimination.

Note how the W3EdNet group ranted about overcrowding for years and tried to get EOTP schools kicked out of the Deal-Wilson feeder. They made racist remarks so we don't have to guess at their (your?) intentions. You never wondered why they never ranted against those Ward 4 Lafayette kids going to school with their kids? Or why the Janney and Hearst parents were foaming at the mouth demanding that Shepherd and Bancroft get kicked out of the feeder pattern?

Then DCPS proposed moving schools out of the Wilson feeder pattern and it looked like Janney and Hearst might be the ones moved out. Suddenly the leader of the W3EdNet group changed his mind and declared that we don't even really know if Deal and Wilson are crowded so no need to move anyone out of the boundary.

This is how I know it's racism. But you come on over here EOTP and go door to door explaining to black families in person why they need to leave their in boundary schools and how it's not racist.

Do you agree Deal is overcrowded and that overcrowding has negative effects on students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Bye white savior

NP. Be careful what you wish for -- and nothing the PP wrote says "white savior"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Bye white savior

NP. Be careful what you wish for -- and nothing the PP wrote says "white savior"

You are also welcome to leave, defender of benevolent wealth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The grandfathering is not about who was grandfathered.

It is about overcrowding. Take those lovely children a put them in a less crowded school. After you are at capacity - every additional body stresses a system.

Sort of like how the bubble class at Janney (current 9th graders) broke the system. They are all lovely children when you have 20 of them in a classroom. But when you put 30 -the room is overcapacity and things break down

That PP (perhaps it was you) was being plain old racist. Period. The grandfathering led to about 20 extra kids. To blame the current behavior on that is just wrong. Brookland middle and Dunbar high are well under enrolled and they have similar issues. PERIOD. Stop using this excuse as cover for your racism. The problem is you were wrong as those 20 kids are predominantly white and contributing to a lot of the success at Deal/Wilson that you like to brag about.

+1. Complaining about overcrowding is a cover for racism. Some Lafayette parents are doing it too regarding OOB kids coming from EOTP. We see through their not-so-covert attempts to hide their racism.

NP - Overcrowding is real and is projected by DCPS to get worse very soon in the Wilson feeder system. Overcrowded schools are less effective at educating students, more expensive to operate, more chaotic, lead to higher rates of teacher burnout, and are potentially dangerous. Simply conflating concern that DCPS needs a plan to handle overcrowding with racism is ignorant and inflammatory. Please be more careful with your accusations. That said, I agree the grandfathering plays only a small role in the current overcrowding situation and really has nothing to do with the recent fight.

Stop covering for racism. Most of what you say isn't even true and is just a pretext to keep up the discrimination.

Note how the W3EdNet group ranted about overcrowding for years and tried to get EOTP schools kicked out of the Deal-Wilson feeder. They made racist remarks so we don't have to guess at their (your?) intentions. You never wondered why they never ranted against those Ward 4 Lafayette kids going to school with their kids? Or why the Janney and Hearst parents were foaming at the mouth demanding that Shepherd and Bancroft get kicked out of the feeder pattern?

Then DCPS proposed moving schools out of the Wilson feeder pattern and it looked like Janney and Hearst might be the ones moved out. Suddenly the leader of the W3EdNet group changed his mind and declared that we don't even really know if Deal and Wilson are crowded so no need to move anyone out of the boundary.

This is how I know it's racism. But you come on over here EOTP and go door to door explaining to black families in person why they need to leave their in boundary schools and how it's not racist.

Do you agree Deal is overcrowded and that overcrowding has negative effects on students?

My studious 9th grader at Wilson says he generally has 9-12 students in several classes because the rest don't care and skip out, which he likes because that leaves just the kids are want to learn.

Note to file: those who don't want to learn should be removed from public schools and socialized in separate vocational programs or required government service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The grandfathering is not about who was grandfathered.

It is about overcrowding. Take those lovely children a put them in a less crowded school. After you are at capacity - every additional body stresses a system.

Sort of like how the bubble class at Janney (current 9th graders) broke the system. They are all lovely children when you have 20 of them in a classroom. But when you put 30 -the room is overcapacity and things break down

That PP (perhaps it was you) was being plain old racist. Period. The grandfathering led to about 20 extra kids. To blame the current behavior on that is just wrong. Brookland middle and Dunbar high are well under enrolled and they have similar issues. PERIOD. Stop using this excuse as cover for your racism. The problem is you were wrong as those 20 kids are predominantly white and contributing to a lot of the success at Deal/Wilson that you like to brag about.

+1. Complaining about overcrowding is a cover for racism. Some Lafayette parents are doing it too regarding OOB kids coming from EOTP. We see through their not-so-covert attempts to hide their racism.

NP - Overcrowding is real and is projected by DCPS to get worse very soon in the Wilson feeder system. Overcrowded schools are less effective at educating students, more expensive to operate, more chaotic, lead to higher rates of teacher burnout, and are potentially dangerous. Simply conflating concern that DCPS needs a plan to handle overcrowding with racism is ignorant and inflammatory. Please be more careful with your accusations. That said, I agree the grandfathering plays only a small role in the current overcrowding situation and really has nothing to do with the recent fight.

Stop covering for racism. Most of what you say isn't even true and is just a pretext to keep up the discrimination.

Note how the W3EdNet group ranted about overcrowding for years and tried to get EOTP schools kicked out of the Deal-Wilson feeder. They made racist remarks so we don't have to guess at their (your?) intentions. You never wondered why they never ranted against those Ward 4 Lafayette kids going to school with their kids? Or why the Janney and Hearst parents were foaming at the mouth demanding that Shepherd and Bancroft get kicked out of the feeder pattern?

Then DCPS proposed moving schools out of the Wilson feeder pattern and it looked like Janney and Hearst might be the ones moved out. Suddenly the leader of the W3EdNet group changed his mind and declared that we don't even really know if Deal and Wilson are crowded so no need to move anyone out of the boundary.

This is how I know it's racism. But you come on over here EOTP and go door to door explaining to black families in person why they need to leave their in boundary schools and how it's not racist.

Do you agree Deal is overcrowded and that overcrowding has negative effects on students?

My studious 9th grader at Wilson says he generally has 9-12 students in several classes because the rest don't care and skip out, which he likes because that leaves just the kids are want to learn.

Note to file: those who don't want to learn should be removed from public schools and socialized in separate vocational programs or required government service.

Relevance to the above question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Bye white savior

NP. Be careful what you wish for -- and nothing the PP wrote says "white savior"

You are also welcome to leave, defender of benevolent wealth

NP. If you think have mixed-income schools is not important to all students, you are kidding yourself. The PP's are not wrong that wealthy parents will leave if the schools are not safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Bye white savior

The only way to power through with idiotic woke scolds is simply to just power through. I am not waffling on my child’s education or their physical safety. You can let your kids be guinea pigs. I won’t. I know many people like myself. Life is simply too short to debase yourself or your children at the alter of whatever popular public sentiment policies are being foisted in people out of “fairness”. Fair is a safe school, where kids can get prepared well for college, without a bunch of bullies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Wow. I actually agree that DC and DCPS need to be less lenient on behavior issues and crime, but you didn't do anything out of benevolence. You did whatever you thought was best for your own family, including financially.

I did. I also did it because I believe in public schools. I don’t believe in overpaid and under qualified government workers and politicians pushing educational polices of questionable efficacy. Many seem detrimental. Ending ap classes. Less of a focus on the right answer. No suspensions. Restorative justice or hugs from an abuser to someone being abused. Passing kids just so the school doesn’t look bad. I am writing very plainly because really all the new jargon and euphemisms from people like Ibrahim x. Kendi, meant to push policies like restorative justice over traditional discipline are gaining traction. The disproportionate impact of racism in schools in indeed terrible, but when you water down education and discipline policies to try and counter that all you’re doing is instituting feel good hip social justice warrior stuff that really may not be of any help. My kids are going where they can learn, with motivated peers, and school administrators who are treated and treat others fairly. I don’t care if you label that tough or racist or whatever. It’s not. I want diversity at all schools everywhere. I just don’t want questionable policies that result in poor grades and bullying. Do you understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Bye white savior

NP. Be careful what you wish for -- and nothing the PP wrote says "white savior"

You are also welcome to leave, defender of benevolent wealth

NP. If you think have mixed-income schools is not important to all students, you are kidding yourself. The PP's are not wrong that wealthy parents will leave if the schools are not safe.

okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listen all of you. At the macro level, myself and all my wealthy colleagues who choose to benevolently send our kids to DC public schools will stop if we come to understand this town won’t do jack sht beyond “restorative justice” and other methods of watering down discipline for solve fights when actual, tangible punishment is needed.

Beyond ending ap classes and lowering standards out of “equity”, and social engineering, you might see a mass migration to private schools. You think I am kidding? Stop fking around with your Uber liberal lax on everything policies or you will see a massive decline in school quality when all the children raised in good homes leave. The only reason scores went up across the board over the last few years is because of wealthy people who took a chance. These last few years are full of idiotic policies to make classes easier or to allow bullying to continue.

Wow. I actually agree that DC and DCPS need to be less lenient on behavior issues and crime, but you didn't do anything out of benevolence. You did whatever you thought was best for your own family, including financially.

I did. I also did it because I believe in public schools. I don’t believe in overpaid and under qualified government workers and politicians pushing educational polices of questionable efficacy. Many seem detrimental. Ending ap classes. Less of a focus on the right answer. No suspensions. Restorative justice or hugs from an abuser to someone being abused. Passing kids just so the school doesn’t look bad. I am writing very plainly because really all the new jargon and euphemisms from people like Ibrahim x. Kendi, meant to push policies like restorative justice over traditional discipline are gaining traction. The disproportionate impact of racism in schools in indeed terrible, but when you water down education and discipline policies to try and counter that all you’re doing is instituting feel good hip social justice warrior stuff that really may not be of any help. My kids are going where they can learn, with motivated peers, and school administrators who are treated and treat others fairly. I don’t care if you label that tough or racist or whatever. It’s not. I want diversity at all schools everywhere. I just don’t want questionable policies that result in poor grades and bullying. Do you understand?

Sure, you want all the things that worked for you. There are a whole lot of people who that did not and does not work for, which is partially why we have such a staggering achievement gap in this city. It feels uncomfortable to be part of an institutional change, which is why I said in the beginning if you don't like it you are welcome to leave it. There will be plenty of people still left at the end