2022 US News Best National Universities

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Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

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Almost no one chooses to go to Chicago or Columbia if they think they can be accepted at HYPSM.

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I agree with this. But....do you think there is anything that could "shake-up" the HYPSM reputational strong-hold? What would that be?

I believe it's starting to happen. It's going to take awhile longer so people continue to choose the "name-brand bragging-rights" of HYPSM.

You need a whole internet war to happen for it to change. Back in the days when everyone was only using HYP instead of HYPSM, there were daily arguments in college confidential to include Stanford and MIT in the acronym. If Columbia wants to join HYPSM to become HYPSMC, then the same thing needs to happen.

Yield rates, ED vs SCEA, and the actual quality of the schools have absolutely nothing to do with it. In the early 2000s, Yale was still using ED but no one tried to kick them out from HYP. Even though Columbia is overall a better school than Yale (better professional programs + STEM) and Princeton (elite grad programs as opposed to being nonexistent), no one cares.

People who are obsessed with guarding the HYPSM fortress are too stupid to understand these points. Also they all believe that a school’s reputation should solely be based on its undergraduate program, which is absurd.

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these general rankings with all the departments all together make no sense
can someone with an account post the ranking for the undergraduate computer science?

1.Carnegie Mellon University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Stanford University, University of California--Berkeley
5. Cornell University, Georgia Institute of Technology, University of Illinois--Urbana-Champaign
8. California Institute of Technology, Princeton University
10. University of California--Los Angeles, University of Texas at Austin, University of Washington

do you have the first 25? those 10 were free

Whoops. - I did not even realize anyone paid for these. i am not doing that but here is last years 2021 list. Things do not change much year to year so this will still be useful guide to some top programs.

#1:
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

#2:

Carnegie Mellon University

Stanford University

University of California--Berkeley

#5:

California Institute of Technology

Cornell University

Georgia Institute of Technology

Princeton University

University of Illinois--Urbana-Champaign

University of Washington

#11:

University of Texas--Austin

#12:

University of Michigan--Ann Arbor

#13:

Columbia University

Harvard University

University of California--Los Angeles

#16:

University of California--San Diego

University of Maryland--College Park

University of Pennsylvania

University of Wisconsin--Madison

#20:

Harvey Mudd College

Johns Hopkins University

Purdue University--West Lafayette

Rice University

Yale University

#25:

Brown University

Duke University

Northwestern University

University of California--Irvine

University of Chicago

University of Southern California

#31:

University of Colorado--Boulder

University of Massachusetts--Amherst

University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill

University of Virginia

Virginia Tech

Wow, amazing how you basically have to multiply the UMD ranking by 2 before getting to UVA. Too bad so sad

for CS but still Go TERPS!!!

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There are 25 or so single digit acceptance rate schools, at least.

Why bother trying to distinguish among any of them. It is a stupid exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:Where’s UMD?

Why can't you look for yourself.

I’ll help you both. UMD is tied for #59. Definitely have to scroll for a while to find it.

So no more UVA s UMD threads?!

Lol. The College Park boosters will still post from their Fantasyland where UMD is considered on par with UVA...

Looks like the majority is trying really hard to boost their school's rank up:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506733

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I don't understand why Syracuse is ranked so high

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Read the methodology and then it is clear why schools end up where they do. If you don't like the criteria used to rank the schools, then ignore the list

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They seriously gave Virginia Tech the same ranking as Clemson

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You need a whole internet war to happen for it to change. Back in the days when everyone was only using HYP instead of HYPSM, there were daily arguments in college confidential to include Stanford and MIT in the acronym. If Columbia wants to join HYPSM to become HYPSMC, then the same thing needs to happen.

Oooooh, add Columbia, re-order and we get CHYMPS! I hereby nominate CHYMPS. Can I get a second?

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Anonymous wrote:There are 25 or so single digit acceptance rate schools, at least.

Why bother trying to distinguish among any of them. It is a stupid exercise.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 25 or so single digit acceptance rate schools, at least.

Why bother trying to distinguish among any of them. It is a stupid exercise.

This.

BS
All acceptance rates are not the same. Have you ever heard about the term "self selection"?

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You need a whole internet war to happen for it to change. Back in the days when everyone was only using HYP instead of HYPSM, there were daily arguments in college confidential to include Stanford and MIT in the acronym. If Columbia wants to join HYPSM to become HYPSMC, then the same thing needs to happen.

Oooooh, add Columbia, re-order and we get CHYMPS! I hereby nominate CHYMPS. Can I get a second?

no

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Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

This is silly and biased, there are 100 different metrics that US news can choose from but according to you rankings should be based on yield?!?!?!

Yield is a very important metric. It measures people's real commitment to a school, hundreds of thousands of $ for the next 4 years. With the yield in mind, Princeton would be #5:

1. Harvard (80%+)
2. Stanford (80%+)
3. MIT (high 70%)
4. Yale
5. Princeton

For all these schools to reach 80%+ yield at the same time, they can only accept students other competitors would NOT accept.

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Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

This is silly and biased, there are 100 different metrics that US news can choose from but according to you rankings should be based on yield?!?!?!

Yield is a very important metric. It measures people's real commitment to a school, hundreds of thousands of $ for the next 4 years. With the yield in mind, Princeton would be #5:

1. Harvard (80%+)
2. Stanford (80%+)
3. MIT (high 70%)
4. Yale
5. Princeton

For all these schools to reach 80%+ yield at the same time, they can only accept students other competitors would NOT accept.

Not "would not accept" but "do not accept". The field at the top is full and when you reject 95% of qualified applicants there is very little overlap.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University

My thoughts: Columbia is not really at the same level as Harvard and MIT. Chicago is not at the same level as Stanford, which always appears underrated in USNWR. Hopkins is not at the level of Caltech and Duke. Why does UCLA continue to be above Berkeley? What does UCLA do better than Berkeley? The schools tied at 28 don't really seem any better than schools down around 40 or so. What would make UCSB better than UCSD or Texas or a number of other schools?

Nobody cares what you and your grandma think.

Obviously you did. If you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one that got hit.

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Anonymous wrote:I love these threads! The subjective BS from posters about how they think schools should be ranked is always top-notch entertainment.

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Whole lot of feelings in these posts…