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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago[/quote]

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.[/quote]
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Almost no one chooses to go to Chicago or Columbia if they think they can be accepted at HYPSM.[/quote]
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I agree with this.  But....do you think there is anything that could "shake-up" the HYPSM reputational strong-hold?  What would that be?

I believe it's starting to happen.  It's going to take awhile longer so people continue to choose the "name-brand bragging-rights" of HYPSM. [/quote]

You need a whole internet war to happen for it to change. Back in the days when everyone was only using HYP instead of HYPSM, there were daily arguments in college confidential to include Stanford and MIT in the acronym. If Columbia wants to join HYPSM to become HYPSMC, then the same thing needs to happen.

Yield rates, ED vs SCEA, and the actual quality of the schools have absolutely nothing to do with it. In the early 2000s, Yale was still using ED but no one tried to kick them out from HYP. Even though Columbia is overall a better school than Yale (better professional programs + STEM) and Princeton (elite grad programs as opposed to being nonexistent), no one cares.

People who are obsessed with guarding the HYPSM fortress are too stupid to understand these points. Also they all believe that a school’s reputation should solely be based on its undergraduate program, which is absurd.[/quote]

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