Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:USC said in a statement that they will be reviewing applications of the "students and graduates involved in the scandal" on a case-by-case basis.

They're not saying that they'll automatically be kicked out...

They can’t say that or else they’d face bug lawsuits potentially. Case by case is the way to go.

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Anonymous wrote:USC said in a statement that they will be reviewing applications of the "students and graduates involved in the scandal" on a case-by-case basis.

They're not saying that they'll automatically be kicked out...

They can’t say that or else they’d face bug lawsuits potentially. Case by case is the way to go.

^ huge

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Anonymous wrote:The children of the wealthy and privileged have always been given special consideration at selective colleges. It’s affirmative action for the rich/connected, although it’s never referred to or criticized as a betrayal of the meritocratic ideal. But set aside even a few spots for members of minorities who have historically been the victims of discrimination, and suddenly it is important not to compromise academia’s strict meritocratic standards. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Ser asides are illegal, per the S Ct. Diversity can be used as a plus factor.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the downside of holistic admissions. Too easy to manipulate the results.

Yet another reason why schools should no longer be allowed to offer preferences or scholarships to athletes.

It wasn't just athleticism. These parents paid people to take the SAT and ACTs in place of their kids and submit those scores in the admissions packet.

They'll get them on all counts of fraud.

Look, colleges have been known to drop students if they do something inappropriate during their senior year of High School. This is outright fraud on the part of the students and their families. The students know they didn't take the SAT or ACT and yet mysteriously got a great score; the students know they don't play certain sports and yet are getting accepted due to their sports performance.

But what about those kids who got in on sports X when they have never even played it? I don't see how this could not have been found out by the Universities.
And then what happens when those amazing athletes show up?

No way schools didn't realize something fishy was going on.

The coach orders them on the bench for the first year and then off the team their sophomore year.

I'm sure they greased palms so no one questioned but it wouldn't have been too remarkable to have some 'extras' on the soccer or crew team that you just bench unless absolutely necessary. And these kids weren't getting athletic scholarships, just admission to the school based on performance levels.

No contract says they need to stay on the team especially since mommy and daddy bought them high SAT/ACT scores as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

While we're at it, just give everyone THE ANSWERS, already!

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Anonymous wrote:There aren’t any rich NE or East coast kids at SMU and colleges like it? You’re clueless. I personally know a handful of families that sent their less academically inclined daughters there. They’re are filthy rich and attended high dollar NYC prep schools. SMU, Tulane, Miami-Fl, Indiana, Miami-Oh, Pepperdine, GW

You said it!

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the Asians are the only ones who are actually relying on merit to get into elite colleges.

Yea... Asians don't cheat.

Mainly Chinese.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

While we're at it, just give everyone THE ANSWERS, already!

See? Why is anyone resisting in giving every kid unlimited time? We will truly be testing knowledge of the materials. No more abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The children of the wealthy and privileged have always been given special consideration at selective colleges. It’s affirmative action for the rich/connected, although it’s never referred to or criticized as a betrayal of the meritocratic ideal. But set aside even a few spots for members of minorities who have historically been the victims of discrimination, and suddenly it is important not to compromise academia’s strict meritocratic standards. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

You keep saying this, but it’s not true. People complain about the rich playing the system all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

While we're at it, just give everyone THE ANSWERS, already!

See? Why is anyone resisting in giving every kid unlimited time? We will truly be testing knowledge of the materials. No more abuse.

The SATs are a weird combo of testing for intelligence and testing for knowledge. Processing speed is one of the key components of intelligence. Math, grammar, and vocabulary are knowledge. The ability to retrieve memorized info quickly is considered another form of intelligence. That said, kids who truly have processing speed or other issues should get extra time.

Can you imagine a world where all kids feel like they need to stay all day (until 5pm closing?) at the test center so they don’t do worse than the kids who ARE staying all day? The SATs effectively become a 9-hour test instead of a 3-hour test. Don’t think that fixes anything for either challenged or not-challenged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they even bothering with college. Seriouly.

Credentials. You never know how life turns out down the road. Kinda like Trump and his UPenn degree.

Bragging rights. I live in LA. The equivalent of the Big 3 private schools are full of celebrity kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

While we're at it, just give everyone THE ANSWERS, already!

See? Why is anyone resisting in giving every kid unlimited time? We will truly be testing knowledge of the materials. No more abuse.

The SATs are a weird combo of testing for intelligence and testing for knowledge. Processing speed is one of the key components of intelligence. Math, grammar, and vocabulary are knowledge. The ability to retrieve memorized info quickly is considered another form of intelligence. That said, kids who truly have processing speed or other issues should get extra time.

Can you imagine a world where all kids feel like they need to stay all day (until 5pm closing?) at the test center so they don’t do worse than the kids who ARE staying all day? The SATs effectively become a 9-hour test instead of a 3-hour test. Don’t think that fixes anything for either challenged or not-challenged kids.

At least they have a choice - you finish early, hand in your exam and leave. I don’t understand the resistance. You know there is abuse. You know poorer kids tend not to get diagnosis and accommodations especially inner city kids. Even the current accommodations are unfair as it is not personalized - a kid w a certain disability may only need an extra 10 minutes while another may need 2 hours but both are given an extra hour. So just get rid of timed tests. These tests are meaningless now to test for processing speed when there are accommodations. Give everyone as much time as they need.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

While we're at it, just give everyone THE ANSWERS, already!

See? Why is anyone resisting in giving every kid unlimited time? We will truly be testing knowledge of the materials. No more abuse.

Isn't part of the test of intelligence how fast you can think? Truly asking. I've seen a lot of definitions of intelligence include how quickly you can grasp new concepts and figure things out. And that's why we have parents complaining that elementary school moves too slow for their smart kids, who grasp concepts much quicker than others and are bored with the time spent getting others to understand.

Because neither the SAT nor ACT is supposed to be a test of knowledge, supposedly it's of skills. I was very good at the verbal part, not that great at math. People who are better at math than me can solve math problems faster and more accurately than me. Getting extra time on the math part would have been advantageous to me because I probably could have figured out most problems eventually, and I would have been able to go back and double-check answers and correct any mistakes I made. But unlimited time would have obscured the difference between me and someone really brilliant at math who could have gotten all the right answers in an hour.

I don't know, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

While we're at it, just give everyone THE ANSWERS, already!

See? Why is anyone resisting in giving every kid unlimited time? We will truly be testing knowledge of the materials. No more abuse.

Isn't part of the test of intelligence how fast you can think? Truly asking. I've seen a lot of definitions of intelligence include how quickly you can grasp new concepts and figure things out. And that's why we have parents complaining that elementary school moves too slow for their smart kids, who grasp concepts much quicker than others and are bored with the time spent getting others to understand.

Because neither the SAT nor ACT is supposed to be a test of knowledge, supposedly it's of skills. I was very good at the verbal part, not that great at math. People who are better at math than me can solve math problems faster and more accurately than me. Getting extra time on the math part would have been advantageous to me because I probably could have figured out most problems eventually, and I would have been able to go back and double-check answers and correct any mistakes I made. But unlimited time would have obscured the difference between me and someone really brilliant at math who could have gotten all the right answers in an hour.

I don't know, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.

But that is what is happening today w the system abuse - you have kids who don’t need it but getting extended time to be able to go through all the questions and check their answers. So who is left? Kids who are smart but don’t have a diagnosis so will score lower than the abuser. Then you have the poor kids who can’t get a diagnosis or know of even such a thing. Then you have kids who need accommodations but the accommodations are not personalized - a kid may only need 10 minutes but get an hour so their score would be higher and a kid who needs 2 hours but only get an hour accommodation. So the current system is broken - fix it by giving everyone unlimited time, and if the kid finishes early and want to hand in their tests early, go ahead.

Right now we have a system that depends on $$ and parents who know how to navigate the system. Why not just remove the time component? If at the end of the day it is about learning and knowledge, what is the problem of removing the timed component of the tests?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they even bothering with college. Seriouly.

Credentials. You never know how life turns out down the road. Kinda like Trump and his UPenn degree.

Bragging rights. I live in LA. The equivalent of the Big 3 private schools are full of celebrity kids.

+1. I have a family member with kids at Blue Ivy's school. Celebrities left and right with kids in these schools.