Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:There aren’t any rich NE or East coast kids at SMU and colleges like it? You’re clueless. I personally know a handful of families that sent their less academically inclined daughters there. They’re are filthy rich and attended high dollar NYC prep schools. SMU, Tulane, Miami-Fl, Indiana, Miami-Oh, Pepperdine, GW

Because they didn’t realize they should have had their kids enroll in some sports so that can be used as an athlete recruit + $$$ = HYP and top 10 schools. This is what happens at our NE private.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

No suing them for this.

The Department of Justice told them they have to provide extended time to students with disabilities under the ADA, and in fact, told them they could no loner flag those scores.

Extended time for all could work, but some students will, of course, need other things as well (large type answer sheets, scribes, keyboards, braille, snacks in test room for diabetics) but I assume that isn't going to whip you all up as much as extended time.

I assume CB and ACT would seek a DOJ ruling before launching that change.

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Come on, you can't seriously be comparing test prepping a student with someone fraudulently impersonating a student to take a test for them?

A test prepping student still needs to bust his ass! Prepping is hard work! How dare you equate that with cheating!

But what about the families that can't afford the prep. I went to one of those free "let me show you how we do this" seminars and it is dirty. Not illegal like this, but dirty. Showing kids every shortcut, what to look for, how to decipher and breakdown each question. Which passages to read, which ones to skip. How many X questions are on each test and how to learn those. The last 3 years trended this way. blah blah blah.

It is an upper hand to those that go to those prep courses. Not to mention the $100/hr tutors that come to your house to find every angle to get you a better score. Even families living her making $100K to $250K have no idea what the rest of the country is like. Maybe you didn't bribe people, but you allowed your child everything they needed. No working during the school year (my kid is "sooooo" busy!) You made sure they got into top private schools and paid for it. You went over all the forms 10X over and made sure your kids applied IB and magnet. You decided where you would live in relation to schools/education. You pushed until they got into the classes they needed for a inflated GPA. You paid for educational camps and clubs. You made their applications "well rounded" with tons of EC's. You have the money to allow the kids to take it multiple times and get tutors/prep between each one to micromanage it into a better score.

I mean even having the time to read to your kid is more than many poor and lower middle class families have time or event the means to do. Handing them activities as kids, money each week for doing nothing is entitlement. I mean how many seniors have never worked a job, but have cars in the school parking lot? Entitlement. YOU just don't see it that way because you have surrounded yourself with similar people.

Many kids can not do EC's because they work 30 hours a week while going to high school full time. This helps keep food on the table for their family. Many could never in a million years get test prep or tutors, let alone a book to help them study on their own. Many go home to no heat or electricity. Many are fosters or homeless. Or basically parentless with drugged out families.

College admissions will never be even be close to even unless they took every kid to a boarding school away from their families (for better or worse) and teach them there. No money given. They apply on their own to colleges. But that will never happen.

So at the very least, they need to stop inflated grades. Stop allowing so many retakes of standardized tests. Stop making EC's such a big deal. Stop allowing donations and legacy to have any merit on a child's worth into a college. And for the love of God, get rid of the ED and ED2 that are also for only the rich. So corrupt.

So, serious question - are you suggesting any of this is wrong?

I make a good living. Not private jet good living, but I do well. HHI is in the mid 6 figures. I am smart, and work hard. Really hard. And yes, I know that a lot of people who work hard and are smart don't do nearly as well as I do. I am also lucky and privileged. I get it. But . . . does that mean I shouldn't give my kid nice things, or things that will help her? She should have to work 30 hours a week, and turn over her earnings to pay for groceries? Should I structure her life so she has the same challenges as homeless kids?

I get that things are not equal. And I am all for this nirvana you describe where everything is exactly equal - she's smart as a whip, and will do as well as any other kid, and better than the vast majority of them. But, that's not the world in which we live. And like it or not, her primary competition for many of these college spots will be kids like her, who have educated parents who care about education and try to help their kids. So I'm not going to deny her things and put her at a disadvantage out of some pie-in-the-sky devotion to perfect justice. I'll give her all the support, encouragement and resources I have available. And I may even spoil her a bit. I won't resort to illegal activity, and we're not in a position to donate buildings to schools, but I'll give her every advantage that I can, and not lose a minute's sleep over it.

Are you suggesting I should act differently?

I agree with the PP 1000%. I get its unequal, and would like to see things change. This scandal is disgusting and I hope all these people are prosecuted and brought to task for the shameless privilege they exploited. However, I'm beyond sick and tired of having to make excuses, or have people TRY to make me feel guilty, for the things that I can provide for my child because we work and make a decent living.

What should people who have the means refrain from doing (outside of illegal activity obviously)? I can afford to get my child a tutor and take a prep course. Should I not do that? I can afford for my child to participate in EC activities. Should I not do that, tell her she can't play on the travel team she earned a spot on because she has to go get a job at age 16? Should I tell her she has to help pay for groceries? Not have a birthday party? Can't go to study group with her friends?

Things indeed need to be more equitable, but I should not have to bring my childs life down to the meet the experience of our country's poorest kids in order to make things more equitable. That is just not reality. What can we do to help level the playing field that doesn't involve some superhuman level of taking vows of poverty or agreeing to not enjoy any benefit for things we work for? I honestly want to know.

NP persecution complex much?

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

No suing them for this.

The Department of Justice told them they have to provide extended time to students with disabilities under the ADA, and in fact, told them they could no loner flag those scores.

Extended time for all could work, but some students will, of course, need other things as well (large type answer sheets, scribes, keyboards, braille, snacks in test room for diabetics) but I assume that isn't going to whip you all up as much as extended time.

I assume CB and ACT would seek a DOJ ruling before launching that change.

WAIT diabetic get snacks.... my kids should get snacks too... this is outrageous and unfair.

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No, diabetics get extended time - know of 2 who got 100% extended time

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lori-loughlins-daughter-was-in-usc-officials-yacht-when-mother-was-charged

Lori Loughlin's daughter Olivia Jade was aboard USC official's yacht in Bahamas when mom was charged: reports

Lori Loughlin's daughter Olivia Jade Giannulli was spending spring break on a University of Southern California official's yacht when her mother was accused Tuesday of involvement in a college admissions scheme, reports said.

Giannulli, 19, was on Rick Caruso's luxury yacht Invictus in the Bahamas, a report said. Caruso is chairman of USC's Board of Trustees.


She still needed to cheat? LOL! Dumb bimbo!!

Um, this was already covered about 20 pages back.
He was just elected to the board last year, so he couldn't have helped her.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

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Anonymous wrote:Found this on the ASU thread:


Loughlin's first husband, Michael R. Burns, graduated from ASU. Burns is now the vice chairman of film company Lionsgate. Giannulli went to USC, but does not appear to have graduated.

How can Loughlin sit and bash ASU when her ex went there and is worth 10 million now. I guess an USC drop-out who makes more, but is a cheat, is what they wanted their ditz daughter to strive for.

Have they fired her from Hallmark yet? Has Target dropped him yet?

Yeah. I just don’t hate these people that much.
Sure what they did was wrong, but I don’t really want them to loose everything because of it. I hope They aren’t dropped from their respective careers.

So you think a slap on the wrist should suffice? That will get the people cirrrupting admissions to stop.

Sorry, they need to lose their jobs. They are worth plenty. Their kid could have gone to any college and would still be rich. Enough with these idiots.

Parents fined.
Kids... if they were complicit, expulsion. If not, I think they review the quality of the person’s work.

Don't you think a fine is too easy? This is a set of people used to buying their way into and out of everything. I think they should all have some jail time, frankly.

It seems like for many of them the absolute humiliation they are dealing with now would be more of a deterrent than a fine or a jail sentence, though the latter would certainly add to the humiliation. I do not personally see why someone like Felicity Huffman ought to serve hard time for this, but I feel differently about the ringleaders and some of the coaches.

NP wow! where do i begin with your nauseating mental acrobatics? do you know anything about corruption at all? hint; its not a victim less crime. The perpetrator and the recipient have to be on the same page for it to occur, so on what grounds did you come to the conclusion that Huffmann shouldn't serve jail time and the man she potentially sought and to whom she could've said No should be the one to go jail without her? Your comment above is exactly what moral bankruptcy looks like

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen to the daughter of the CT law partner, Gordon Caplan.

So she goes to online high school for reasons I don't know, so in that sense at least she didn't have to face her peers this morning. She is in some tennis academy (maybe that's why she does online school so she can practice much of the day? travel to tournaments?) so she will have to eventually face her peers there. And yeah -- IDK how college admissions goes for her now for real. I mean I'm sure UConn or somewhere similarly average could take her based on just her record. I don't think your parents' names go on your college app -- so maybe just keep dad's very common name off of it and hope UConn doesn't put it together that you're THAT Caplan? Or go to an out of state bigger state school that's a degree factory like Rutgers or Penn State...

Yes, Caplan is a very common name... but NOT when it's spelled with a C, lol!

Kaplan is almost always spelled with a K.
However, there were Jews who came here after WWII that were terrified that antisemitism would be just as prevalent in America as it was in Europe, so they'd make a slight change in the spelling of their name (Katz became Kates -- Cohen became Cone or Cohn -- Rosenberg became Rose, etc).

I did a paper in college for my sociology class & spent a fair amount of time researching familial names, the rationale behind why they were changed & the names true history & lineage being lost from that point forward.

Never ONCE once did I come across Kaplan changed to "Caplan" in all of my research, so you're absolutely right... I'm afraid she's always going to be known as "THAT" Caplan.
* Ironically, she can always change it back to Kaplan & she'll be completely autonomous with the thousands of other Kaplan's with a K, lol).

Um. I, err, ah, well, let's just say I know a few Jewish Caplans. So they do exist. And they are not this man.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

#FirstWorldProblems

Good grief, now I've seen it all.
These two opportunists have NOTHING to do with this scandal, yet here they are with their hands out ready to be paid.

These two girls think they're entitled to what basically amounts to a $5 million dollar cash grab, simply because they MAY have to deal with future embarrassments because they go to one of the schools caught in the scandal.

If they're going to be embarrassed by anything, it's should be for their greedy, opportunistic, entitled litigiousness.

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Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.

We need to get rid of ramps too. If the kids tried harder they can learn to climb stairs ... they just don't work hard enough.

See? U just proved the PP point. Why the resistance to give EVERYONE untimed tests?

Obviously the tests reward the ability to answer questions correctly and quickly. Processing speed is an important component of the tests.

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USC said in a statement that they will be reviewing applications of the "students and graduates involved in the scandal" on a case-by-case basis.

They're not saying that they'll automatically be kicked out...

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The children of the wealthy and privileged have always been given special consideration at selective colleges. It’s affirmative action for the rich/connected, although it’s never referred to or criticized as a betrayal of the meritocratic ideal. But set aside even a few spots for members of minorities who have historically been the victims of discrimination, and suddenly it is important not to compromise academia’s strict meritocratic standards. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

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Anonymous wrote:HP has already cut its ties with Olivia Jade. In a statement, the company said, “HP worked with Lori Loughlin and Olivia Jade in 2017 for a one-time product campaign. HP has removed the content from its properties.” A post promoting HP’s Sprocket photo printer is currently still live on Olivia Jade’s Instagram account.

HP Removes Ad Starring Lori Loughlin and Olivia Jade Following College Admissions Scandal
http://fortune.com/2019/03/13/hp-removes-ad-lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-college-admissions-scandal/

Time for these other brands to speak up against the scammer:

Amazon
Dolce & Gabbana
Lulus
Marc Jacobs Beauty
Sephora
Smashbox Beauty Cosmetics
Smile Direct Club
Too Faced Cosmetics
Boohoo
Unilever’s TRESemmé.

Yeah, they’ll get right on it. I’m sure Lulus customers care a great deal about this.

HP is a printer company - you really think their customer base cares? It's about perception and being tied to this family is toxic. Which is why they dumped her in less than 24 hours from the indictment breaking.

Sephora and Marc Jacobs actually have more to lose as they work with a LOT of beauty influencers who are already talking about this.

Like I said.

Sephora Has Ended Its Relationship With Olivia Jade

"After careful review of recent developments, we have made the decision to end the Sephora Collection partnership with Olivia Jade, effective immediately," the spokesperson said.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/03/226932/olivia-jade-sephora-makeup-palette-backlash

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List of companies that have cut ties:
HP
Sephora

Time for these other brands to speak up against the scammer:

Amazon
Dolce & Gabbana
Lulus
Marc Jacobs Beauty
Smashbox Beauty Cosmetics
Smile Direct Club
Too Faced Cosmetics
Boohoo
Unilever’s TRESemmé.

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Anonymous wrote:HP has already cut its ties with Olivia Jade. In a statement, the company said, “HP worked with Lori Loughlin and Olivia Jade in 2017 for a one-time product campaign. HP has removed the content from its properties.” A post promoting HP’s Sprocket photo printer is currently still live on Olivia Jade’s Instagram account.

HP Removes Ad Starring Lori Loughlin and Olivia Jade Following College Admissions Scandal
http://fortune.com/2019/03/13/hp-removes-ad-lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-college-admissions-scandal/

Time for these other brands to speak up against the scammer:

Amazon
Dolce & Gabbana
Lulus
Marc Jacobs Beauty
Sephora
Smashbox Beauty Cosmetics
Smile Direct Club
Too Faced Cosmetics
Boohoo
Unilever’s TRESemmé.

Yeah, they’ll get right on it. I’m sure Lulus customers care a great deal about this.

HP is a printer company - you really think their customer base cares? It's about perception and being tied to this family is toxic. Which is why they dumped her in less than 24 hours from the indictment breaking.

Sephora and Marc Jacobs actually have more to lose as they work with a LOT of beauty influencers who are already talking about this.

Like I said.

Sephora Has Ended Its Relationship With Olivia Jade

"After careful review of recent developments, we have made the decision to end the Sephora Collection partnership with Olivia Jade, effective immediately," the spokesperson said.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/03/226932/olivia-jade-sephora-makeup-palette-backlash

Good job, Sephora! Maybe now this entitled, vapid, spoiled little rich girl and her greedy, hypocritical mother will learn a lesson.