US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems a bit unfair that one of the most diverse undergraduate schools in the nation--Harvard--was the defendant in one of these two related cases on affirmative action.

You’re assuming racial discrimination is okay. It’s a wrong assumption.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

If a university doesn’t receive any federal funds, yes, they can build a class however they like. But this isn’t the case for universities including Harvard. The blatant discrimination using race is unique in US. Affirmative Action has a place to level the ground, but it also has an expiration date. It was never meant to be a permanent discriminatory measure against certain races. Now fifty years after AA, it should be abolished. Otherwise, being certain race becomes a tax.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems a bit unfair that one of the most diverse undergraduate schools in the nation--Harvard--was the defendant in one of these two related cases on affirmative action.

You’re assuming racial discrimination is okay. It’s a wrong assumption.

No, you are the one making a wrong assumption.

My point is that there were better targets for the goal of showing discrimination. Harvard's undergraduate school was composed of 23% Asians, 11% blacks, 12% Hispanics, 7% multiracial, and 33% white as reported by Harvard 3 years ago. The percentage is now higher for Asian students at about 37%.

Please show me a more diverse Top 15 private National University. And, yes, I understand that merit, not diversity, is the point of the recently decided lawsuit that is the subject of this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems a bit unfair that one of the most diverse undergraduate schools in the nation--Harvard--was the defendant in one of these two related cases on affirmative action.

You’re assuming racial discrimination is okay. It’s a wrong assumption.

No, you are the one making a wrong assumption.

My point is that there were better targets for the goal of showing discrimination. Harvard's undergraduate school was composed of 23% Asians, 11% blacks, 12% Hispanics, 7% multiracial, and 33% white as reported by Harvard 3 years ago. The percentage is now higher for Asian students at about 37%.

Please show me a more diverse Top 15 private National University. And, yes, I understand that merit, not diversity, is the point of the recently decided lawsuit that is the subject of this thread.

Another wrong assumption that we need to measure diversity by race. Disbanding the racial discrimination at Harvard will help the REAL diversity: diversity in thoughts and ideas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems a bit unfair that one of the most diverse undergraduate schools in the nation--Harvard--was the defendant in one of these two related cases on affirmative action.

You’re assuming racial discrimination is okay. It’s a wrong assumption.

No, you are the one making a wrong assumption.

My point is that there were better targets for the goal of showing discrimination. Harvard's undergraduate school was composed of 23% Asians, 11% blacks, 12% Hispanics, 7% multiracial, and 33% white as reported by Harvard 3 years ago. The percentage is now higher for Asian students at about 37%.

Please show me a more diverse Top 15 private National University. And, yes, I understand that merit, not diversity, is the point of the recently decided lawsuit that is the subject of this thread.

Imagine a neighborhood saying that we are not taking any more Blakcs as we already have 20% of them.
We have diversity, it's enough

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems a bit unfair that one of the most diverse undergraduate schools in the nation--Harvard--was the defendant in one of these two related cases on affirmative action.

You’re assuming racial discrimination is okay. It’s a wrong assumption.

No, you are the one making a wrong assumption.

My point is that there were better targets for the goal of showing discrimination. Harvard's undergraduate school was composed of 23% Asians, 11% blacks, 12% Hispanics, 7% multiracial, and 33% white as reported by Harvard 3 years ago. The percentage is now higher for Asian students at about 37%.

Please show me a more diverse Top 15 private National University. And, yes, I understand that merit, not diversity, is the point of the recently decided lawsuit that is the subject of this thread.

Another wrong assumption that we need to measure diversity by race. Disbanding the racial discrimination at Harvard will help the REAL diversity: diversity in thoughts and ideas.

Again, you are the one making the incorrect assumption. The percentage of undergraduate students broken down by these racial categories is compiled and reported by all schools which accept federal funding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We all know the Harvards of the world will find indirect ways to accomplish what they no longer can do directly. If anything, prospective students are being invited to mine their racial identities and purported personal “struggles” more than ever to convince admissions officers they are worthy - and there will be a continued denigration of tests and other objective measurements of academic merit or potential.

That will work for a while - but the long-term benefit is that society is too fluid and dynamic to respect the outcomes of such processes for too long. The Ivy League and similar schools that choose to play those games will increasingly render themselves anachronistic, while the real action will shift to larger schools that are less fussy and offer degrees that prepare students for meaningful careers.

As a corollary, a Harvard degree for URMs ain't all that. Employers know it's been watered down, dumb down, from Day 1 for these students.

Got me hired back in the 90s. And now I do the hiring.

Between the day I was hired for that first job and now I kicked major, major butt. Climbed to the top floor and tossed a ton of people out of windows on my way up.

You sound like someone I left on the sidewalk.

Sorry Chump, I don't work for McDonald's flipping burgers. I smell burgers even when PP is hiding behind a keyboard.

Oh, look! It's Triumph the insult dog. I don't usually dig sock puppets but I like you. You're funny. Your shtick never gets old!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

So what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

So what?

So, it doesn’t matter where one goes to school.