US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

So what?

So, it doesn’t matter where one goes to school.

There are people who don't agree with you entirely.
People have different opinions.

What does it have to do with reasonable rules, fairness, transparency, and expectations?

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

So what?

So, it doesn’t matter where one goes to school.

There are people who don't agree with you entirely.
People have different opinions.

What does it have to do with reasonable rules, fairness, transparency, and expectations?

There are rules/fairness/transparency you just don’t agree with them. There are parameters, it’s not black or white. What is your hope for an end result warranting this clawing to the top so to speak?

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Anonymous wrote:We all know the Harvards of the world will find indirect ways to accomplish what they no longer can do directly. If anything, prospective students are being invited to mine their racial identities and purported personal “struggles” more than ever to convince admissions officers they are worthy - and there will be a continued denigration of tests and other objective measurements of academic merit or potential.

That will work for a while - but the long-term benefit is that society is too fluid and dynamic to respect the outcomes of such processes for too long. The Ivy League and similar schools that choose to play those games will increasingly render themselves anachronistic, while the real action will shift to larger schools that are less fussy and offer degrees that prepare students for meaningful careers.

As a corollary, a Harvard degree for URMs ain't all that. Employers know it's been watered down, dumb down, from Day 1 for these students.

Got me hired back in the 90s. And now I do the hiring.

Between the day I was hired for that first job and now I kicked major, major butt. Climbed to the top floor and tossed a ton of people out of windows on my way up.

You sound like someone I left on the sidewalk.

Sorry Chump, I don't work for McDonald's flipping burgers. I smell burgers even when PP is hiding behind a keyboard.

Oh, look! It's Triumph the insult dog. I don't usually dig sock puppets but I like you. You're funny. Your shtick never gets old!

If you have a meaningless diploma that was handed to you, have a seat and be quiet.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

So what?

So, it doesn’t matter where one goes to school.

There are people who don't agree with you entirely.
People have different opinions.

What does it have to do with reasonable rules, fairness, transparency, and expectations?

There are rules/fairness/transparency you just don’t agree with them. There are parameters, it’s not black or white. What is your hope for an end result warranting this clawing to the top so to speak?

yea right admission commitee giving negative points on the courage/likabilityy/kindness to Asians was tranparently reveal during the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

How about schools admit certain kids just because? The kid is smart enough, and if they have some impressive EC, or something, they didn’t have time to study as much as the perfect student with higher sats. You’d probably be surprised at how many successful people didn’t ace the SAT or didn’t have a 5.0 in HS or whatever. No one cares after college, no one even cares where you went to college many times.

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People who feel entitled to attend any particular school they want are inherently unlikeable to some people. It’s a spoiled brat mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:People who feel entitled to attend any particular school they want are inherently unlikeable to some people. It’s a spoiled brat mindset.

Those must be ALDC

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Anonymous wrote:People who feel entitled to attend any particular school they want are inherently unlikeable to some people. It’s a spoiled brat mindset.

Those must be ALDC

Of course, as well as anyone else who feels entitled to any specific school.

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Anonymous wrote:People who feel entitled to attend any particular school they want are inherently unlikeable to some people. It’s a spoiled brat mindset.

Those must be ALDC

Of course, as well as anyone else who feels entitled to any specific school.

Other than ALDC, there aren't many. P
Normal people usually work really hard to achieve something; they just expect reasonably fair rules.

The amount of entitlement these ALDC families and kids have is unbelievable. Some
URMs also want freebies. What an entilement.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

+1

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Why is race blind so offensive? URM won’t be affected.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

So what?

So, it doesn’t matter where one goes to school.

There are people who don't agree with you entirely.
People have different opinions.

What does it have to do with reasonable rules, fairness, transparency, and expectations?

There are rules/fairness/transparency you just don’t agree with them. There are parameters, it’s not black or white. What is your hope for an end result warranting this clawing to the top so to speak?

yea right admission commitee giving negative points on the courage/likabilityy/kindness to Asians was tranparently reveal during the case.

Maybe it was warranted? Harvard didn’t like em.

Maybe slavery was warranted too?

Comparing not being accepted to Harvard to slavery? I have no words

Yea that's probably not a good comparison.
A good comparison to 'Asians are warranted to be not likable' is 'Blacks are warranted to be beatean and shot by police'

better?

Well now when you, or anyone of any color, isn’t accepted, you can’t blame race. Life isn’t fair I know.

Yea life isn't fair, and still have ALDC to blame.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

So what?

So, it doesn’t matter where one goes to school.

There are people who don't agree with you entirely.
People have different opinions.

What does it have to do with reasonable rules, fairness, transparency, and expectations?

There are rules/fairness/transparency you just don’t agree with them. There are parameters, it’s not black or white. What is your hope for an end result warranting this clawing to the top so to speak?

yea right admission commitee giving negative points on the courage/likabilityy/kindness to Asians was tranparently reveal during the case.

Maybe it was warranted? Harvard didn’t like em.

Maybe slavery was warranted too?

Comparing not being accepted to Harvard to slavery? I have no words

Yea that's probably not a good comparison.
A good comparison to 'Asians are warranted to be not likable' is 'Blacks are warranted to be beatean and shot by police'

better?

Well now when you, or anyone of any color, isn’t accepted, you can’t blame race. Life isn’t fair I know.

Yea life isn't fair, and still have ALDC to blame.

I have accepted that and moved on decades ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

So what?

So, it doesn’t matter where one goes to school.

There are people who don't agree with you entirely.
People have different opinions.

What does it have to do with reasonable rules, fairness, transparency, and expectations?

There are rules/fairness/transparency you just don’t agree with them. There are parameters, it’s not black or white. What is your hope for an end result warranting this clawing to the top so to speak?

yea right admission commitee giving negative points on the courage/likabilityy/kindness to Asians was tranparently reveal during the case.

Maybe it was warranted? Harvard didn’t like em.

Maybe slavery was warranted too?

Comparing not being accepted to Harvard to slavery? I have no words

Yea that's probably not a good comparison.
A good comparison to 'Asians are warranted to be not likable' is 'Blacks are warranted to be beatean and shot by police'

better?

Well now when you, or anyone of any color, isn’t accepted, you can’t blame race. Life isn’t fair I know.

Yea life isn't fair, and still have ALDC to blame.

I have accepted that and moved on decades ago.

I care about future of my country.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

their vlues? like favoring ALDC?
Diversity is good, we can still have resonable rules, fairlness, transparency, and expectations.
They are not mutually exclusive.

But you may be disappointed, as the rules aren’t as black or white as you hope. And it shouldn’t have to be. This isn’t a competition, a who’s who of prepping the most….

My kids are all in colleges and all are very satisfied with the results, so I won't be disappointed.
This is competitive process. We don't need BS.

Why will be the end result though? if they become an engineer/surgeon/attny/anything, they will be working with colleagues from ‘lesser schools’ who will possibly be even working above them, in charge of them, this is reality. The competition is great everywhere.

What are you worrying about??

The real world. The real world doesn’t care where you went to school usually, it just doesn’t, unless you are in some niche category or something. I have seen first hand, people in my field from diverse backgrounds, having gone to diverse schools, now the end results would shock you. You wouldn’t always guess who becomes the most successful.

In my real world they care a lot. Just try getting a job in banking if you didn’t go to a target school. Guess which are the target schools. Yes the top 10.