US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:We all know the Harvards of the world will find indirect ways to accomplish what they no longer can do directly. If anything, prospective students are being invited to mine their racial identities and purported personal “struggles” more than ever to convince admissions officers they are worthy - and there will be a continued denigration of tests and other objective measurements of academic merit or potential.

That will work for a while - but the long-term benefit is that society is too fluid and dynamic to respect the outcomes of such processes for too long. The Ivy League and similar schools that choose to play those games will increasingly render themselves anachronistic, while the real action will shift to larger schools that are less fussy and offer degrees that prepare students for meaningful careers.

As a corollary, a Harvard degree for URMs ain't all that. Employers know it's been watered down, dumb down, from Day 1 for these students.

Got me hired back in the 90s. And now I do the hiring.

Between the day I was hired for that first job and now I kicked major, major butt. Climbed to the top floor and tossed a ton of people out of windows on my way up.

You sound like someone I left on the sidewalk.

Sorry Chump, I don't work for McDonald's flipping burgers. I smell burgers even when PP is hiding behind a keyboard.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

How about schools admit certain kids just because? The kid is smart enough, and if they have some impressive EC, or something, they didn’t have time to study as much as the perfect student with higher sats. You’d probably be surprised at how many successful people didn’t ace the SAT or didn’t have a 5.0 in HS or whatever. No one cares after college, no one even cares where you went to college many times.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Schools aren’t only going to accept a bunch of kids with perfect stats, the rules are arbitrary to a point. Admissions is, and should be, more nuanced than accepting only perfect students, perfect on paper anyway. How did these kids achieve these perfect scores, are they naturally bright, or have they been toiling away since preK, being tutored, prepped, pretty much living and breathing only academics, parents living vicariously through these kids, hoping to one day become a name brand graduate. You are so hyper focused on the label, the name brand, that you are losing sight of what the end result will be.

Clear rules, fairness, and transparency doesn't equal to perfect stats.
Sterotypng and making assumptonis are wrong in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

How about schools admit certain kids just because? The kid is smart enough, and if they have some impressive EC, or something, they didn’t have time to study as much as the perfect student with higher sats. You’d probably be surprised at how many successful people didn’t ace the SAT or didn’t have a 5.0 in HS or whatever. No one cares after college, no one even cares where you went to college many times.

Aren't you here becaue you care?

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Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

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Finally.

Thank you SCOTUS for helping end racism in our day.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

Are you talking to the black people?

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

The rules can have parameters though, they don’t need to be rigid inflexible rules.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That would be ALDC folks

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

It's not a game with rules. Many people here don't get that admissions is not about the individual (the "player"), it's about the institution and what they want in a class to express their values as well as academic prowess.
It's not like kids compete head to head on merits for these spots. AOs are looking to build a class. Sure, merit is a major factor, but diversity is also a big part of an educational environment to most institutions. Also, many here think test scores and grades solely determine merit, but that is not the case.

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Seems a bit unfair that one of the most diverse undergraduate schools in the nation--Harvard--was the defendant in one of these two related cases on affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:Your doing yourselves a disservice by placing so much emphasis on admission to certain universities. What is your end result going to be? Couldn’t you achieve that same end at another prestigious school? I have seen it backfire where the parents and child brags about being accepted into an ivy, the kid makes it through, doesn’t fit in at all for numerous reasons, then is ‘only’ accepted at a state school for grad school/law school/med school. These people aren’t as successful as many who just started out at the state school or county college even.

who you talking to?

Anyone who believes they deserve to get accepted to a particular school, anyone who feels they deserve an Ivy League education over anyone else.

That is very rare.

Most people want more clear rules, fairness, and transparency.

The rules can have parameters though, they don’t need to be rigid inflexible rules.

The clear rules and boundaries come in when you attain licensure, when you begin working in your field. As far as college admissions, as long as the accepted students fall within the acceptance parameters, they belong to be there as much as anyone else.