US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:This judgement from the court is very confusing.

1) It DID NOT OVERRULE GRUTTER which prohibits quotas and prevents insulation of applicants from certain racial classes from competition, but allowed diversity as a compelling interest

2) All the decision says is that Harvard's program and UNC's program as constituted violate the 14th Amendment, the same way the court ruled in Gratz vs Bollinger in 2003 and yet race based Affirmative Action did not stop after Gratz

3) It leaves open that a newly constituted Affirmative Action program "could" pass strict scrutiny by making sure that they
(a) don't have quotas,
(b) show a compelling interest that does not include diversity, righting past discrimination or rectifying historic deficit of certain races in a university,
(c) they don't use race as a stereo type and
(d) they have a clear end date.

I am going to get Harvard and other elites are going to come up with some other scheme to try to needle this thread

Thomas's concurrence explicitly stated the court is overturning Grutter.

Harvard needs a real paying attorney. It relied too much on free legal advice it was reading from anonymous forums.

Read his opinion carefully. He added a caveat,
"Grutter is, for all intents and purposes, overruled" It's not REALLY overruled

Plus that's his individual opinion. The majority opinion, did not say this at all. Only the majority ruling is binding

Plus there court arrived at the same conclusion in Gratz, that University of Michigan's undergraduate policy violated the 14 th amendment, just like they have ruled on Harvard and UNC. The Gratz decision from 2003 did not stop race based Affirmative Action

All any University has to do, is say, it's changed it's policy slightly and carry on as if nothing has happened. Then somebody will sue after a few years.

By the time the case lands again in the Supreme Court it will be almost a decade. SFFA, First filled in 2014.

At that time if the court is still conservative, they can again rule that the new policy is also unconstitutional. The university already gets 10 years to keep doing what it is doing.


Then they go back and try again. And so it goes.

This decision is not what the media is making it out to be. It's a nothing burger. NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

Number of Asian students has been increasing already.

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Harvard just got b slapped, and it knew it was coming. Asian presence has been increasing for the past few years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

(OP here)

Is this lawsuit about education or is it really about opportunity ?

Do readers and posters actually believe that a Harvard degree is a symbol of the best education in the US or in the world, OR that a Harvard degree opens up the best opportunities in the US or in the world ?

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

Actually if you.have to ask if Indians (whether poor or wealthy in 2023 in the US now) were or weren't enslvaed - then you literally know NOTHING about what colonialism was really like 150 years in Indian or other colored countries.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

[Anonymous]

We all know the Harvards of the world will find indirect ways to accomplish what they no longer can do directly. If anything, prospective students are being invited to mine their racial identities and purported personal “struggles” more than ever to convince admissions officers they are worthy - and there will be a continued denigration of tests and other objective measurements of academic merit or potential.

That will work for a while - but the long-term benefit is that society is too fluid and dynamic to respect the outcomes of such processes for too long. The Ivy League and similar schools that choose to play those games will increasingly render themselves anachronistic, while the real action will shift to larger schools that are less fussy and offer degrees that prepare students for meaningful careers.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

Can you be more disgusting? You have no business commenting other people's education choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

+100
Well said.
Can't believe the amount of double standards here

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Anonymous wrote:We all know the Harvards of the world will find indirect ways to accomplish what they no longer can do directly. If anything, prospective students are being invited to mine their racial identities and purported personal “struggles” more than ever to convince admissions officers they are worthy - and there will be a continued denigration of tests and other objective measurements of academic merit or potential.

That will work for a while - but the long-term benefit is that society is too fluid and dynamic to respect the outcomes of such processes for too long. The Ivy League and similar schools that choose to play those games will increasingly render themselves anachronistic, while the real action will shift to larger schools that are less fussy and offer degrees that prepare students for meaningful careers.

As a corollary, a Harvard degree for URMs ain't all that. Employers know it's been watered down, dumb down, from Day 1 for these students.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

+100
Well said.
Can't believe the amount of double standards here

Except… it is only about the top colleges and several posters here have admitted as much. Like about 40 pages back when a poster didn’t believe there were good colleges where Asians were URM.

This is about 20-30 colleges, and maybe fewer.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

The bolded is a naive statement. Private colleges which accept federal funding (almost all private schools) in any form do answer to the federal government and private schools do answer to the school's board of directors as well.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know the Harvards of the world will find indirect ways to accomplish what they no longer can do directly. If anything, prospective students are being invited to mine their racial identities and purported personal “struggles” more than ever to convince admissions officers they are worthy - and there will be a continued denigration of tests and other objective measurements of academic merit or potential.

That will work for a while - but the long-term benefit is that society is too fluid and dynamic to respect the outcomes of such processes for too long. The Ivy League and similar schools that choose to play those games will increasingly render themselves anachronistic, while the real action will shift to larger schools that are less fussy and offer degrees that prepare students for meaningful careers.

As a corollary, a Harvard degree for URMs ain't all that. Employers know it's been watered down, dumb down, from Day 1 for these students.

Got me hired back in the 90s. And now I do the hiring.

Between the day I was hired for that first job and now I kicked major, major butt. Climbed to the top floor and tossed a ton of people out of windows on my way up.

You sound like someone I left on the sidewalk.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Schools aren’t only going to accept a bunch of kids with perfect stats, the rules are arbitrary to a point. Admissions is, and should be, more nuanced than accepting only perfect students, perfect on paper anyway. How did these kids achieve these perfect scores, are they naturally bright, or have they been toiling away since preK, being tutored, prepped, pretty much living and breathing only academics, parents living vicariously through these kids, hoping to one day become a name brand graduate. You are so hyper focused on the label, the name brand, that you are losing sight of what the end result will be.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know the Harvards of the world will find indirect ways to accomplish what they no longer can do directly. If anything, prospective students are being invited to mine their racial identities and purported personal “struggles” more than ever to convince admissions officers they are worthy - and there will be a continued denigration of tests and other objective measurements of academic merit or potential.

That will work for a while - but the long-term benefit is that society is too fluid and dynamic to respect the outcomes of such processes for too long. The Ivy League and similar schools that choose to play those games will increasingly render themselves anachronistic, while the real action will shift to larger schools that are less fussy and offer degrees that prepare students for meaningful careers.

As a corollary, a Harvard degree for URMs ain't all that. Employers know it's been watered down, dumb down, from Day 1 for these students.

Got me hired back in the 90s. And now I do the hiring.

Between the day I was hired for that first job and now I kicked major, major butt. Climbed to the top floor and tossed a ton of people out of windows on my way up.

You sound like someone I left on the sidewalk.

You sound like a hopeless romantic. Please tell us more.