The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:When Daphne said she has no female friends bc they gossip behind her back - I assumed it was about Cameron's cheating, but maybe it's also that they figured out that her kids are the trainer's.

Just a random thought I had since I keep thinking about the show. Haha

She also has to know that her husband might hit on and try to have an affair with a friend so that's another reason to keep her distance.

I just rewatched the first episode and when Cameron and Harper go up to the Spiller's room to get swim trunks for Cameron, Daphne has this expression on her face that is very un-enthused. It's just a quick shot of her face, and subtle enough that it didn't read as "oh she thinks her husband is going to try and sleep with Harper" upon first viewing. But after seeing what happens in the last few episodes, it really jumped out at me. You get the sense watching it that she has watched her husband find an excuse to go off alone with many, many other women (including, probably, friends of hers) and that he was probably cheating on her, or trying to her, many of those times. Plus, since he strips in front of Harper up in the room in way that feels intentional, it's very likely that this was exactly what Cameron had in mind in this instance as well.

Actually a lot of Cameron's and Daphne's behavior toward or about Harper looks really different on rewatch. Like Cameron is much more annoyed by Harper early on ("She's terrible") and Daphne defends her, and in retrospect this comes off as either Cameron protesting too much (like he pretends he hates Harper, and likely other women, to deflect from the fact that he's definitely trying to bang them) or sexual frustration (he genuinely dislikes Harper but not because of her personality or anything she says, but just because he's frustrated she's not reciprocating his advances). And meanwhile Daphne will defend Harper but also land a little dig (like about Harper "cutting off" Ethan's balls) just some subtle mean girl negging that is very likely intended to try and lower Harper in Cameron's esteem so he is less interested.

Though in general I think Cameron's deal is that he always wants what he can't have, and therefore it basically doesn't matter what Daphne does or even what Harper does -- as long as Harper "belongs" to Ethan and as long as she's not hopping into bed with Cameron, Cameron will want her just because.

In the previews for the next show isn't there a clip of Ethan saying exactly that - Cameron always wants what isn't his?

Ethan knows Cameron is broke. He is coming on this trip looking forward to turning down his friend’s requests for money/help. schadenfreude!

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

For me, the distaste is because I get the vibe that he isn't all that he seems/wants to be. He is parroting progressive/feminist ideas he heard in college but he has an underlying entitlement that you can tell is going to come out at some point.

I think he is the classic "nice guy" where he will feel like he is entitled to affection from a woman because he has done and said all the right, feminist-approved things. And he will turn nasty when he doesn't get what he thinks he deserves.

I do not think Albie is some complex incel character that is going to snap.

He’s exactly what he and his mom said: a nice kid. A person who takes in wounded bird girls. Well, the latter is not good.

He just needs a nice type A girl that doesn’t charge him €2000 a night and uses protection.

That's how I see him, too. I'm rooting for him - I know, poor little rich handsome kid who can't find love. But I do want him to escape his family's demons. He seems decent.

I also hope he and Lucia aren't revealed to be related.

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

The previous season showed that the awful, repugnant people never pay for their sins. The decent or lesser people get hurt. Anyone under the thumbs of the wealthy entitled people will pay. Albie, Portia, hotel employees and even the hookers are probably going to pay for being decent or not part of the privilieged set.

I think the point of Albie is that he is what smart women think they want, but the douchey, overconfident alpha-male type is more sexually attractive. Portia's head tells her to go for Albie, but her heart (ok not her heart exactly!) wants to hook up with Essex boy, even though objectively he has way less to offer her than Albie does

I don't think her head was telling her to go for Albie. I think Albie was the first person she met who was her age, and seemed interested in her. So she was hanging out with him and exploring whether she wanted something more than just hanging out. Meeting Jack revealed to her that no, Albie was not what she wanted - she wanted to have fun with this other guy. I never got the impression that she'd entered this world looking for a no-conflict meal ticket who'd help her escape her life - I thought she wanted a fling, and thought Jack was more fun for that. And indeed they are having fun! Or were.

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

The previous season showed that the awful, repugnant people never pay for their sins. The decent or lesser people get hurt. Anyone under the thumbs of the wealthy entitled people will pay. Albie, Portia, hotel employees and even the hookers are probably going to pay for being decent or not part of the privilieged set.

I think the point of Albie is that he is what smart women think they want, but the douchey, overconfident alpha-male type is more sexually attractive. Portia's head tells her to go for Albie, but her heart (ok not her heart exactly!) wants to hook up with Essex boy, even though objectively he has way less to offer her than Albie does

Yes I feel like this is why they cast Theo James too. Like I find him way more attractive than Albie! He is distractingly attractive and alluring despite being by every other measure absolutely awful. I think a lot of the men are set up to foil one another in different ways.

Huh. I don’t find Cameron or Albie or Jack attractive. Ethan or bust.

Ethan is going to win an academy award for his facial expressions

I want to live in his cardigans.

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I don't think anyone is going to die by suicide. No one is that depressed by their situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is going to die by suicide. No one is that depressed by their situation.

Yes to the contrary the commentary on the rich is kind of like...despite them all having deep issues the money keeps their happiness at lukewarm rather than sinking low into depression.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is going to die by suicide. No one is that depressed by their situation.

I think Dom is a good candidate. He’s beginning to realize all that he f’ed up and lost re: family/wife.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is going to die by suicide. No one is that depressed by their situation.

Maybe Ethan

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

I totally agree with you! I don't get the Albie hate or the notion that he is some kind of incel. He likes women, he hates the way his dad and grandfather treat them, and has clearly been raised in the modern UMC world of making sure you have consent and you're respectful. If women find that "incel"-ish than my goodness, I don't know what you're hoping for.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is going to die by suicide. No one is that depressed by their situation.

I read once that someone with "manic depression" (I don't know if that term is considered clinically correct anymore) may be more likely to follow through on suicidal thoughts because a mania phase could provide them with the energy and focus to do it. I thought of this because Tanya seems like a candidate for suicide and she may have this kind of depression -- she gets very excited about certain things and does them in an over the top way (her friendship with Belinda, her "Italian Dream" fantasy with the Vespa) but then this is often followed by an intense depressive period. I actually could see Tanya feeling so upset by a betrayal by Greg or Quentin (or both) that she tries to drown herself or throws herself down some stairs. She also has a strong dramatic streak.

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

For me, the distaste is because I get the vibe that he isn't all that he seems/wants to be. He is parroting progressive/feminist ideas he heard in college but he has an underlying entitlement that you can tell is going to come out at some point.

I think he is the classic "nice guy" where he will feel like he is entitled to affection from a woman because he has done and said all the right, feminist-approved things. And he will turn nasty when he doesn't get what he thinks he deserves.

I guess I'm turning into Albie's defender on this thread.

But - what exactly gives you this impression? When did he act entitled to affection? Where have you seen an underlying entitlement?

When he saw Portia flirting with the other guy, I didn't see any anger or entitlement. He kind of just moved on. And seemed completely fine when he ran into her in the hallway in the last episode. He may have been disappointed or felt brushed aside, but that seems kind of normal. I didn't see any sign of underlying anger or was about to turn nasty.

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

The previous season showed that the awful, repugnant people never pay for their sins. The decent or lesser people get hurt. Anyone under the thumbs of the wealthy entitled people will pay. Albie, Portia, hotel employees and even the hookers are probably going to pay for being decent or not part of the privilieged set.

I think the point of Albie is that he is what smart women think they want, but the douchey, overconfident alpha-male type is more sexually attractive. Portia's head tells her to go for Albie, but her heart (ok not her heart exactly!) wants to hook up with Essex boy, even though objectively he has way less to offer her than Albie does

I don't think her head was telling her to go for Albie. I think Albie was the first person she met who was her age, and seemed interested in her. So she was hanging out with him and exploring whether she wanted something more than just hanging out. Meeting Jack revealed to her that no, Albie was not what she wanted - she wanted to have fun with this other guy. I never got the impression that she'd entered this world looking for a no-conflict meal ticket who'd help her escape her life - I thought she wanted a fling, and thought Jack was more fun for that. And indeed they are having fun! Or were.

When Portia was having breakfast with Tonya post-Alvie date, she said something like “I like him I just wish he made my heart flutter more. I feel like if I won the lottery I’d throw out the ticket.” She knows that ending up with him would be like winning the lottery to many (many) young women.

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

For me, the distaste is because I get the vibe that he isn't all that he seems/wants to be. He is parroting progressive/feminist ideas he heard in college but he has an underlying entitlement that you can tell is going to come out at some point.

I think he is the classic "nice guy" where he will feel like he is entitled to affection from a woman because he has done and said all the right, feminist-approved things. And he will turn nasty when he doesn't get what he thinks he deserves.

I guess I'm turning into Albie's defender on this thread.

But - what exactly gives you this impression? When did he act entitled to affection? Where have you seen an underlying entitlement?

When he saw Portia flirting with the other guy, I didn't see any anger or entitlement. He kind of just moved on. And seemed completely fine when he ran into her in the hallway in the last episode. He may have been disappointed or felt brushed aside, but that seems kind of normal. I didn't see any sign of underlying anger or was about to turn nasty.

I agree. He was sad. I don’t think he’s an angry guy at all. He’s clueless and naive and inexperienced with the opposite sex and ends up with “damaged, broken” women. Likely a result of his upbringing.

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

For me, the distaste is because I get the vibe that he isn't all that he seems/wants to be. He is parroting progressive/feminist ideas he heard in college but he has an underlying entitlement that you can tell is going to come out at some point.

I think he is the classic "nice guy" where he will feel like he is entitled to affection from a woman because he has done and said all the right, feminist-approved things. And he will turn nasty when he doesn't get what he thinks he deserves.

I do not think Albie is some complex incel character that is going to snap.

He’s exactly what he and his mom said: a nice kid. A person who takes in wounded bird girls. Well, the latter is not good.

He just needs a nice type A girl that doesn’t charge him €2000 a night and uses protection.

That's how I see him, too. I'm rooting for him - I know, poor little rich handsome kid who can't find love. But I do want him to escape his family's demons. He seems decent.

I also hope he and Lucia aren't revealed to be related.

I want him to break the generational legacy in his family of cheating and treating women like crap!

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

The previous season showed that the awful, repugnant people never pay for their sins. The decent or lesser people get hurt. Anyone under the thumbs of the wealthy entitled people will pay. Albie, Portia, hotel employees and even the hookers are probably going to pay for being decent or not part of the privilieged set.

I think the point of Albie is that he is what smart women think they want, but the douchey, overconfident alpha-male type is more sexually attractive. Portia's head tells her to go for Albie, but her heart (ok not her heart exactly!) wants to hook up with Essex boy, even though objectively he has way less to offer her than Albie does

I don't think her head was telling her to go for Albie. I think Albie was the first person she met who was her age, and seemed interested in her. So she was hanging out with him and exploring whether she wanted something more than just hanging out. Meeting Jack revealed to her that no, Albie was not what she wanted - she wanted to have fun with this other guy. I never got the impression that she'd entered this world looking for a no-conflict meal ticket who'd help her escape her life - I thought she wanted a fling, and thought Jack was more fun for that. And indeed they are having fun! Or were.

Her head was definitely telling her to go for Albie. Not as a meal ticket, but she says numerous times that he's nice and smart and is the kind of person she "should" want to be with - she's clearly trying to talk herself into liking him. But she doesn't succeed because her lizard brain wants Jack, who is none of those things but with whom she has a ton of chemistry