Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

[Anonymous]

Why are they wasting time voting on appropriations bills the senate will never agree to? This is a waste of time. Meanwhile, the Main Street republican caucus is saying they’re shopping a clean CR with border $ and that they will work to get the freedom caucus to agree. Then the senate needs to drop Ukraine and disaster funding from their version and add border $ to get R’a fully on board. If they can bring the freedom caucus along with this plan then maybe we’ll all get to go to work on Monday, but sounds overly ambitious to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:State and USAID are saying they’re staying open for weeks.

That’s not how I read the USAID guidance today. However, they have stayed open in the past. Using multi-year forward funding.

Written guidance is silent on the issue. I am talking about what leadership is saying as of this afternoon.

[Anonymous]

What exactly is keeping agencies from just saying everyone is essential?

They are all getting paid anyways, so it’s not like any money is being saved, so who would even protest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What exactly is keeping agencies from just saying everyone is essential?

They are all getting paid anyways, so it’s not like any money is being saved, so who would even protest?

It's against the law, and any number of people could sue.
Also, many jobs cannot happen without funding and supplies: personnel are part of the equation, but how are you paying for, say, jet fuel or pipettes or site visits?
And finally, if agencies work as usual, there's even less incentive for Rs to do their job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:State and USAID are saying they’re staying open for weeks.

That’s not how I read the USAID guidance today. However, they have stayed open in the past. Using multi-year forward funding.

This is patently untrue. We have been preparing for shutdown and furloughs all day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:State and USAID are saying they’re staying open for weeks.

That’s not how I read the USAID guidance today. However, they have stayed open in the past. Using multi-year forward funding.

This is patently untrue. We have been preparing for shutdown and furloughs all day.

The prep will be helpful if it stretches more than 2-3 weeks. I don’t think they’re planning to shut down and furlough Monday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly is keeping agencies from just saying everyone is essential?

They are all getting paid anyways, so it’s not like any money is being saved, so who would even protest?

It's against the law, and any number of people could sue.
Also, many jobs cannot happen without funding and supplies: personnel are part of the equation, but how are you paying for, say, jet fuel or pipettes or site visits?
And finally, if agencies work as usual, there's even less incentive for Rs to do their job.

This. If anything I hope we shut down hard if we’re going to shut down. Make it painful so it will be over fast. No national parks. No air travel. No SSA disability. If this goes on for more than a week or two, what is the incentive for Feds to not call out sick? Why should we not be timely compensated for our labor like any other sector of employment? Heck my teenage date night babysitter wouldn’t keep showing up for the promise of future pay. At the very least we should be getting interest for every day our paychecks are late, I have no interest in giving a free loan to the government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dem caucuses say they won't save McCarthy without extreme concessions

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/government-shutdown-live-updates-rcna117746/rcrd19295?canonicalCard=true

YESSSSS. Now they are thinking like people who want to win!

[Anonymous]

So, synthesizing what I’ve read, this boils down to a CR/border security/Ukraine. There are small signs of progress, it seems, but whether it could drag on until Tuesday is still far from clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are they wasting time voting on appropriations bills the senate will never agree to? This is a waste of time. Meanwhile, the Main Street republican caucus is saying they’re shopping a clean CR with border $ and that they will work to get the freedom caucus to agree. Then the senate needs to drop Ukraine and disaster funding from their version and add border $ to get R’a fully on board. If they can bring the freedom caucus along with this plan then maybe we’ll all get to go to work on Monday, but sounds overly ambitious to me.

Yep. It sounds like that is the blueprint for getting this done. I, too, am skeptical that it can be done in time for Monday back to work—maybe Tuesday or Wednesday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are they wasting time voting on appropriations bills the senate will never agree to? This is a waste of time. Meanwhile, the Main Street republican caucus is saying they’re shopping a clean CR with border $ and that they will work to get the freedom caucus to agree. Then the senate needs to drop Ukraine and disaster funding from their version and add border $ to get R’a fully on board. If they can bring the freedom caucus along with this plan then maybe we’ll all get to go to work on Monday, but sounds overly ambitious to me.

A "clean" CR can't contain border money-- that means it isn't clean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, synthesizing what I’ve read, this boils down to a CR/border security/Ukraine. There are small signs of progress, it seems, but whether it could drag on until Tuesday is still far from clear.

That’s the gap between the senate and what the house says they want, but no one knows because the house can’t actually pass something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This! I work in cybersecurity and the youngest person on my team is 39. We have a hard time recruiting because private industry is much easier for cyber and it pays twice as much. Half my team are boomers delaying retirement.

These fed people don't know anything about cybersecurity. Contractors do all the work. That's why they delay retirement because why kill the golden goose?

Sweet summer child.

Who directs the contractors and gives them funds? (And who -- and the answer is you -- would complain if feds were paid higher and brought more talent in house?)

I was a contractor and became a Fed. I work at a smaller agency. We have just two contractors. We Feds do most of the work. But thank you for keeping the myth alive of the do-nothing Feds, j@ck@ss. Worked in the private sector and that was a sh*tshow. They didn’t care about cybersecurity at all because it was too expensive. Why do you think companies leak customer data all the time?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This! I work in cybersecurity and the youngest person on my team is 39. We have a hard time recruiting because private industry is much easier for cyber and it pays twice as much. Half my team are boomers delaying retirement.

These fed people don't know anything about cybersecurity. Contractors do all the work. That's why they delay retirement because why kill the golden goose?

Sweet summer child.

Who directs the contractors and gives them funds? (And who -- and the answer is you -- would complain if feds were paid higher and brought more talent in house?)

Hmm I fixed the messed up quoting. As I was saying:

I was a contractor and became a Fed. I work at a smaller agency. We have just two contractors. We Feds do most of the work. But thank you for keeping the myth alive of the do-nothing Feds, j@ck@ss. Worked in the private sector and that was a sh*tshow. They didn’t care about cybersecurity at all because it was too expensive. Why do you think companies leak customer data all the time?!

[Anonymous]

Is anyone else hoping for a shutdown at this point? I wasn't at the beginning of the week but this has been one exhausting caused by the anticipation of and prepping for the shutdown. This whole situation has created so much extra work and now I am exhausted and would be pissed if they come up with some resolution on Sunday.