The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:When Daphne said she has no female friends bc they gossip behind her back - I assumed it was about Cameron's cheating, but maybe it's also that they figured out that her kids are the trainer's.

Just a random thought I had since I keep thinking about the show. Haha

She also has to know that her husband might hit on and try to have an affair with a friend so that's another reason to keep her distance.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about Ethan's culpability from that night is that we actually saw what unfolded whereas Harper did not.

It's one thing for me to watch those scenes and conclude "Ethan shouldn't have let Cameron into his room with those girls, but he didn't cheat and was pretty firm in choosing not to when presented with a very clear opportunity to do so."

It's entirely different for Harper to TRUST that's the case based on the limited amount of information that Ethan has provided to her, after initially lying to her about what happened.

So I think from an empirical standpoint, Ethan didn't do anything I would consider a violation of wedding vows that night. But I also think Harper is 100% justified in her anger, and not just because he initially lied (but that makes it so much worse). Like one of the reasons that Ethan shouldn't have let Cameron and the girls into his room is because he should have been thinking about how that situation would SOUND to his wife if/when she heard about it. He knew going in that Harper would be uncomfortable with that, would wonder why he felt the need to party with Cameron and these prostitutes when every other night of the vacation he has just sat in bed working on his computer. In context, that was a betrayal even though he "technically" did nothing wrong. And he should have known that.

The fact that he went along with the partying even when he could have just gone to bed or gone somewhere else indicates that maybe, on some level, he was contemplating hooking up with one of the girls and wanted to keep the option open.

These are the kinds of things that would be running through my mind if I were Harper at this point. Ethan didn't cheat but he also didn't act like someone who never had any intention of cheating. In a marriage, intentions matter a lot because fidelity is basically just intention until you finally die and can look back and see if it worked.

I would say two hookers in your hotel room while I’m out of town is grounds for divorce but I guess I’m old fashioned.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to say that the death in the first season was an accident not a murder and I would imagine it will be somewhat similar this time around. I think the point of the show is that it is these people's carelessness and selfishness and lack of empathy that results in the tragedy. The whodunnit element was a total red herring the first time around.

+1, was just thinking this. I think it's highly unlikely that someone murders someone else in cold blood, and the idea that one character would murder another and then get murdered by yet another character really strains credulity. One thing I like about this show is that, while it's heightened and played for drama, most of the characters and what happens is somewhat realistic.

I think it's most likely that the bodies in the water are there from drug overdose, falling overboard while out on a boat (or jet skis), natural causes (ahem, Bert), or maybe an altercation that no one intends to be deadly but winds up that way. I am open to the idea of something more nefarious because I don't think they'll just want to repeat the "accidental violent death" storyline from last season, but I doubt we're going to get a straight up murder. Especially because the show has been very heavy handed with all the references to murder this season, and I just don't think Mike White is that literal.

I think suicide is a possibility too. Maybe Nonno bc he was so crushed by Dom's characterization of his marriage. I think Lucia getting killed is likely - maybe not a premeditated murder, but a confrontation with either Cameron or Albie/Dom that spirals out of control

I think it would be an interesting twist if Albie turns out to be the "bad guy" w/r/t Lucia. He has some incel energy bubbling underneath the wokeness and it might underline the point that it's hard to break the toxic masculinity cycle

I actually think Albie is at risk particularly with how Lucia plays so recklessly with drugs. I don't see him becoming some sexist incel but I can imagine him being drunk and encouraged to take whatever crazy stuff Lucia has.

At least Lucia knows what her drugs are! I couldn't believe Mia just gave the piano player a random pill, assuming/hoping/guessing it was Viagra. That was really irresponsible.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm rewatching the first episode for fun. Here are some things I am noticing:

- At the end of the first scene, Valentina pulls up in a van and is then surprised to hear the news from Rocco about the dead bodies. This struck me because it appears she is coming from somewhere else on "official" business. Since she seems to be at the hotel almost every waking hour, this seemed somewhat surprising. Where is she coming from? Maybe some other guest crisis?

- When we first see Greg, he is waiting for Tanya in a courtyard filled with orange (or tangerine?) trees. Like there are a bunch of them.

- Harper's first two outfits are surprisingly sexy. Her white suit on the boat seems buttoned up at first, but then you can see that she's just wearing a black bra underneath with no shirt, and you can see right through the gaps between the buttons. Then she wears a very sultry black swimsuit on their first trip to the pool (it's what she's wearing when Cameron strips in front of her). After that her outfits get more buttoned up, less sexy. A lot of menswear-inspired items or high collars, loser fits, less revealing. Even when she's trying to seduce her husband, her nightie is not that revealing. Until the last episode when she wears a low cut sun dress to the vineyard and that tight white shift dress with side cutouts to dinner. I think more than other characters, Harper's clothes are a response to how she feels and what her goals are. I think she buttons up when she feels Cameron maybe hitting on her, but then let's it rip after catching Ethan in the lie about the night with the hookers.

- After meeting Albie, Portia looks up his IG in her hotel room and in some recent photos he's sporting some sad little mustache that is kind of "Chaz Hanks" ish. It's hilarious and also maybe a sign that Albie isn't as clean cut as he appears on this trip with his dad and grandpa.

- We never actually see Cameron and Daphne getting it on in the first ep. We see them talking and being flirtatious (him tickling her, her running away) and the implication is that they are having sex and Harper and Ethan aren't. But we don't see it. And given the this show is not shy about showing sex, and that we see Cameron later with Lucia, this jumped out at me.

I definitely think Greg could die. We already know he was sick, so maybe his illness came back. Or maybe he is plotting to kill Tanya and it goes wrong on him somehow and he ends up dead rather than her

This is what I think. She's so self centered and falls apart constantly around him. I think the phone calls and trip back are all about his cancer. If this is true it's kind of cheating in the story line because it seems like she must have been very helpful in getting him through first seasons bout of terminal cancer. The Tanya we've been shown would never really support someone else all everything must relate to her.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to say that the death in the first season was an accident not a murder and I would imagine it will be somewhat similar this time around. I think the point of the show is that it is these people's carelessness and selfishness and lack of empathy that results in the tragedy. The whodunnit element was a total red herring the first time around.

+1, was just thinking this. I think it's highly unlikely that someone murders someone else in cold blood, and the idea that one character would murder another and then get murdered by yet another character really strains credulity. One thing I like about this show is that, while it's heightened and played for drama, most of the characters and what happens is somewhat realistic.

I think it's most likely that the bodies in the water are there from drug overdose, falling overboard while out on a boat (or jet skis), natural causes (ahem, Bert), or maybe an altercation that no one intends to be deadly but winds up that way. I am open to the idea of something more nefarious because I don't think they'll just want to repeat the "accidental violent death" storyline from last season, but I doubt we're going to get a straight up murder. Especially because the show has been very heavy handed with all the references to murder this season, and I just don't think Mike White is that literal.

I think suicide is a possibility too. Maybe Nonno bc he was so crushed by Dom's characterization of his marriage. I think Lucia getting killed is likely - maybe not a premeditated murder, but a confrontation with either Cameron or Albie/Dom that spirals out of control

I think it would be an interesting twist if Albie turns out to be the "bad guy" w/r/t Lucia. He has some incel energy bubbling underneath the wokeness and it might underline the point that it's hard to break the toxic masculinity cycle

I actually think Albie is at risk particularly with how Lucia plays so recklessly with drugs. I don't see him becoming some sexist incel but I can imagine him being drunk and encouraged to take whatever crazy stuff Lucia has.

At least Lucia knows what her drugs are! I couldn't believe Mia just gave the piano player a random pill, assuming/hoping/guessing it was Viagra. That was really irresponsible.

I also think if something bad happened to Albie, his dad might take his own life.

[Anonymous]

Albie is so gross

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

All the guys are

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to say that the death in the first season was an accident not a murder and I would imagine it will be somewhat similar this time around. I think the point of the show is that it is these people's carelessness and selfishness and lack of empathy that results in the tragedy. The whodunnit element was a total red herring the first time around.

+1, was just thinking this. I think it's highly unlikely that someone murders someone else in cold blood, and the idea that one character would murder another and then get murdered by yet another character really strains credulity. One thing I like about this show is that, while it's heightened and played for drama, most of the characters and what happens is somewhat realistic.

I think it's most likely that the bodies in the water are there from drug overdose, falling overboard while out on a boat (or jet skis), natural causes (ahem, Bert), or maybe an altercation that no one intends to be deadly but winds up that way. I am open to the idea of something more nefarious because I don't think they'll just want to repeat the "accidental violent death" storyline from last season, but I doubt we're going to get a straight up murder. Especially because the show has been very heavy handed with all the references to murder this season, and I just don't think Mike White is that literal.

I think suicide is a possibility too. Maybe Nonno bc he was so crushed by Dom's characterization of his marriage. I think Lucia getting killed is likely - maybe not a premeditated murder, but a confrontation with either Cameron or Albie/Dom that spirals out of control

I think it would be an interesting twist if Albie turns out to be the "bad guy" w/r/t Lucia. He has some incel energy bubbling underneath the wokeness and it might underline the point that it's hard to break the toxic masculinity cycle

I actually think Albie is at risk particularly with how Lucia plays so recklessly with drugs. I don't see him becoming some sexist incel but I can imagine him being drunk and encouraged to take whatever crazy stuff Lucia has.

At least Lucia knows what her drugs are! I couldn't believe Mia just gave the piano player a random pill, assuming/hoping/guessing it was Viagra. That was really irresponsible.

I also think if something bad happened to Albie, his dad might take his own life.

I guess I'm alone in this but I see no world where Dom kills himself. He is not feeling bad about HIMSELF. He's feeling resentful at the people around him for not accepting him. He resents his wife for making such a big deal about this, his daughter for taking her side, Albie for not advocating for him, Nonno for not keeping his secrets. He is taking no real responsibility for anything, he is incapable. I don't think he is depressed, he is annoyed that his life isn't where he wants it to be and confused about how he could get it back. But it is still all about HIM. Seeing the happy couples and going back to call his wife is about HIM realizing what he'd lost. There is no time where he seems to care about his wife's feelings. He spends no time thinking about WHY she is mad, he is just trying to wait out or gift out her anger.

He is far too selfish to kill himself. Albie OD-ing and getting killed I could see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

He looks like Andy sandberg

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

All the guys are

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I think the frescoes are important so I'm going to post them

First Harper, a golden bird attacking another. Is money attacking her or is she attacking another bird (Daphne?)



Daphne, the mother. But also the shows creator says they are cherubs, known for being mischievous and playing games



Cameron, without his masculine parts, being humiliated by a dog. Showing that despite his bravado he is one of the least powerful characters on the show



Tanya, keeping a monkey shackled for entertainment and high in a window (linked to the woman on the island who falls to her death in the story Tom Holland tells)



Greg - a man and a woman on a pack mule with the pack mule staring at the camera



I'm having trouble finding the rest and I can't screenshot and post them so:

Nonno - An old man courting a young beautiful woman

Albie - A young man playing an instrument for a beautiful woman lying on the ground at his feet. A dog, not dissimilar to the dog in the Cameron fresco is gently jumping up on her

Mia - The Asian Sphinx, who will kill travelers who can't decipher her riddle, looking down from above. Strong and s*xual

Quentin - Four men, two looking longingly at one looking at the camera and another looking longingly at one of those men. The man looking at the camera is seated almost on a throne. A woman is facing away from them, walking in another direction

Valentina - Close up of that woman walking in another direction who is now looking at two women entangled in a bed

Dom - A man fallen to his knees in supplication before a beautiful woman who is holding a necklace out over a cliff

Portia - A girl with her head twisted almost unnaturally towards the sky, on the ground, seemingly doing some chore while a goat stares at her

Ethan - A beautiful woman holding up a hand to either take something or to push someone back and a man in front of her holding a bowl overflowing with goods. His head is downward and unreadable, staring at his goods and seemingly oblivious to the woman

Lucia - A leopard or some big cat holding its fish walking languidly

Essex Boy - One man sitting leaning against a column while another stands above him, seemingly bringing his pelvis towards the sitting man's face. Great intimacy implied between them

The Aubrey plaza fresco is a bird attacking/clipping the wings of another bird. Keeping Ethan in check?

In an interview with some of the people associated with the show, when discussing Cameron's fresco they assumed the dog was Cameron. He fs everything and generally doesn't care.
Tanya and Greg's fresco too me looks like the writer winking back at us knowing we'd all assume bad things about Greg and assume their marriage doesn't last. Maybe they ride off in to the sunset ready for the next season.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the frescoes are important so I'm going to post them

First Harper, a golden bird attacking another. Is money attacking her or is she attacking another bird (Daphne?)



Daphne, the mother. But also the shows creator says they are cherubs, known for being mischievous and playing games



Cameron, without his masculine parts, being humiliated by a dog. Showing that despite his bravado he is one of the least powerful characters on the show



Tanya, keeping a monkey shackled for entertainment and high in a window (linked to the woman on the island who falls to her death in the story Tom Holland tells)



Greg - a man and a woman on a pack mule with the pack mule staring at the camera



I'm having trouble finding the rest and I can't screenshot and post them so:

Nonno - An old man courting a young beautiful woman

Albie - A young man playing an instrument for a beautiful woman lying on the ground at his feet. A dog, not dissimilar to the dog in the Cameron fresco is gently jumping up on her

Mia - The Asian Sphinx, who will kill travelers who can't decipher her riddle, looking down from above. Strong and s*xual

Quentin - Four men, two looking longingly at one looking at the camera and another looking longingly at one of those men. The man looking at the camera is seated almost on a throne. A woman is facing away from them, walking in another direction

Valentina - Close up of that woman walking in another direction who is now looking at two women entangled in a bed

Dom - A man fallen to his knees in supplication before a beautiful woman who is holding a necklace out over a cliff

Portia - A girl with her head twisted almost unnaturally towards the sky, on the ground, seemingly doing some chore while a goat stares at her

Ethan - A beautiful woman holding up a hand to either take something or to push someone back and a man in front of her holding a bowl overflowing with goods. His head is downward and unreadable, staring at his goods and seemingly oblivious to the woman

Lucia - A leopard or some big cat holding its fish walking languidly

Essex Boy - One man sitting leaning against a column while another stands above him, seemingly bringing his pelvis towards the sitting man's face. Great intimacy implied between them

The Aubrey plaza fresco is a bird attacking/clipping the wings of another bird. Keeping Ethan in check?

In an interview with some of the people associated with the show, when discussing Cameron's fresco they assumed the dog was Cameron. He fs everything and generally doesn't care.
Tanya and Greg's fresco too me looks like the writer winking back at us knowing we'd all assume bad things about Greg and assume their marriage doesn't last. Maybe they ride off in to the sunset ready for the next season.

I do think that, 'greg embraces his golden chains and continues to serve at tanya's feet' is the outcome for them most true to the general ethos. Rich people go home and face no consequences is the vibe.

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Anonymous wrote:Albie is so gross

I am kind of confused by the distaste for Albie in this thread. I don't find him distasteful, I actually do find him to be pretty much what you'd want out of a guy? He takes no for an answer, isn't shaming any of the women for their choices. Isn't excusing the bad behavior of the men in his life. I do think he is going to get screwed over by a woman and we will see his true colors but I don't think he's done anything bad and wonder if this is a choice in itself. Showing a non dominant but confident guy who isn't incredibly anything (not incredibly handsome or powerful or anything at all, just very average, but essentially one of the only people making good choices that don't hurt others) but who is unlikeable for some amorphous reason. A foil to Cam who from all objective measures is absolutely horrible but is SO handsome and affectionate that you have to keep reminding yourself how bad he is when he's not being blatantly terrible.

The previous season showed that the awful, repugnant people never pay for their sins. The decent or lesser people get hurt. Anyone under the thumbs of the wealthy entitled people will pay. Albie, Portia, hotel employees and even the hookers are probably going to pay for being decent or not part of the privilieged set.