Johns Hopkins releases profile of recent class that was admitted in 2025, big shifts post affirmative action

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

OK MAGA.

Asia has more than 50% of the world population. And Asians are not a monolith. They make for 50 countries of the world.

So, "WHITES" need to get their act together and start studying hard like other people and compete with Asians. There is no AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for Whites and Asians.

If Whites are the most privileged race in America then they better make themselves capable enough to compete fairly.
Otherwise don't call Trump Taco for reinstating H1B

Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

And why are they more resourced? It is not as if they have benefited from being under colonial rule, is it? It is not as if they get benefit of affirmative action. Well, it has to do with their family structure and the love that their parents have for them. The family prioritizes education and will sacrifice for the education of their children. It is hard for everyone in the family but they endure. Copy that in your own family and you will be successful too. Need to learn to sacrifice for the education of your children.

The proof that they work harder than any other race in education? The proof my dear is in the pudding. Have you heard of the achievement gap? Or do you think that they are intellectually superior to other races?

This seems completely unnecessary in a country where you can live a quality upper middle class lifestyle without ever holding post at an elite institutions. The scarcity mindset of Asian parents clearly is a factor of being from an immigrant background.

* not every Asian country wants to move to US for quality of life.

(Something I always feel annoyed the assumption that all the Asian immigrants are from poorer or developing areas)

But that wasn't the assumption of the post. If your goal is the best education instead of upper middle class living, you just don't need to concern yourself with the t20. There's about 100 institutions that'll fit your educational needs, so what? Do asian Americans have some intrinsic understanding about higher ed that we all else lack?

A little bit of more context from my perspective:
When I came to the U.S. for college from a homogeneous island country in Asia, I was deeply inspired by the openness and creativity of the college environment here. For me, coming here wasn’t about economic opportunity; it was mainly about escaping the same grinding pressure that many now see within Asian communities in the U.S. Years ago, top U.S. institutions were genuinely inspiring—full of remarkable minds and a true diversity of intelligence. That was the intrinsic value I saw in American education. I could engage in rational, no-nonsense debates with my classmates and teachers. Back home, that would have been nearly impossible because of the deeply ingrained culture of deference to authority.
Given what’s been happening in the K–12 system and the college admissions landscape over the past few years, I’m rethinking where to send my child for higher education.

When i was little my parents told me Asians go to school six days a week and that was 35 years ago

Correct was like that but if you think about it. It’s ironic that some immigrant families still enroll their children in after-school and weekend tutoring programs here in the U.S.. Speaking as an Asian who dislikes grind culture, it’s almost amusing to see practices I once considered mind-killing practices now taking hold in the U.S. Essentially there is no escape for these poor children.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

OK MAGA.

Asia has more than 50% of the world population. And Asians are not a monolith. They make for 50 countries of the world.

So, "WHITES" need to get their act together and start studying hard like other people and compete with Asians. There is no AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for Whites and Asians.

If Whites are the most privileged race in America then they better make themselves capable enough to compete fairly.
Otherwise don't call Trump Taco for reinstating H1B

Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

And why are they more resourced? It is not as if they have benefited from being under colonial rule, is it? It is not as if they get benefit of affirmative action. Well, it has to do with their family structure and the love that their parents have for them. The family prioritizes education and will sacrifice for the education of their children. It is hard for everyone in the family but they endure. Copy that in your own family and you will be successful too. Need to learn to sacrifice for the education of your children.

The proof that they work harder than any other race in education? The proof my dear is in the pudding. Have you heard of the achievement gap? Or do you think that they are intellectually superior to other races?

This seems completely unnecessary in a country where you can live a quality upper middle class lifestyle without ever holding post at an elite institutions. The scarcity mindset of Asian parents clearly is a factor of being from an immigrant background.

* not every Asian country wants to move to US for quality of life.

(Something I always feel annoyed the assumption that all the Asian immigrants are from poorer or developing areas)

But that wasn't the assumption of the post. If your goal is the best education instead of upper middle class living, you just don't need to concern yourself with the t20. There's about 100 institutions that'll fit your educational needs, so what? Do asian Americans have some intrinsic understanding about higher ed that we all else lack?

A little bit of more context from my perspective:
When I came to the U.S. for college from a homogeneous island country in Asia, I was deeply inspired by the openness and creativity of the college environment here. For me, coming here wasn’t about economic opportunity; it was mainly about escaping the same grinding pressure that many now see within Asian communities in the U.S. Years ago, top U.S. institutions were genuinely inspiring—full of remarkable minds and a true diversity of intelligence. That was the intrinsic value I saw in American education. I could engage in rational, no-nonsense debates with my classmates and teachers. Back home, that would have been nearly impossible because of the deeply ingrained culture of deference to authority.
Given what’s been happening in the K–12 system and the college admissions landscape over the past few years, I’m rethinking where to send my child for higher education.

When i was little my parents told me Asians go to school six days a week and that was 35 years ago

Correct was like that but if you think about it. It’s ironic that some immigrant families still enroll their children in after-school and weekend tutoring programs here in the U.S.. Speaking as an Asian who dislikes grind culture, it’s almost amusing to see practices I once considered mind-killing practices now taking hold in the U.S. Essentially there is no escape for these poor children.

maybe they want their kids to retain ties to language and culture.
why is that a bad thing? White liberals sending their kids to mandarin or spanish immersion school
but somehow it’s bad for immigrant families to send their kids to weekend heritage language/culture schools? Russians, French, Germans, Muslims; all immigrants do this if they settle in a place that has large enough of an ethnic community to support it.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

OK MAGA.

Asia has more than 50% of the world population. And Asians are not a monolith. They make for 50 countries of the world.

So, "WHITES" need to get their act together and start studying hard like other people and compete with Asians. There is no AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for Whites and Asians.

If Whites are the most privileged race in America then they better make themselves capable enough to compete fairly.
Otherwise don't call Trump Taco for reinstating H1B

Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

And why are they more resourced? It is not as if they have benefited from being under colonial rule, is it? It is not as if they get benefit of affirmative action. Well, it has to do with their family structure and the love that their parents have for them. The family prioritizes education and will sacrifice for the education of their children. It is hard for everyone in the family but they endure. Copy that in your own family and you will be successful too. Need to learn to sacrifice for the education of your children.

The proof that they work harder than any other race in education? The proof my dear is in the pudding. Have you heard of the achievement gap? Or do you think that they are intellectually superior to other races?

This seems completely unnecessary in a country where you can live a quality upper middle class lifestyle without ever holding post at an elite institutions. The scarcity mindset of Asian parents clearly is a factor of being from an immigrant background.

* not every Asian country wants to move to US for quality of life.

(Something I always feel annoyed the assumption that all the Asian immigrants are from poorer or developing areas)

But that wasn't the assumption of the post. If your goal is the best education instead of upper middle class living, you just don't need to concern yourself with the t20. There's about 100 institutions that'll fit your educational needs, so what? Do asian Americans have some intrinsic understanding about higher ed that we all else lack?

A little bit of more context from my perspective:
When I came to the U.S. for college from a homogeneous island country in Asia, I was deeply inspired by the openness and creativity of the college environment here. For me, coming here wasn’t about economic opportunity; it was mainly about escaping the same grinding pressure that many now see within Asian communities in the U.S. Years ago, top U.S. institutions were genuinely inspiring—full of remarkable minds and a true diversity of intelligence. That was the intrinsic value I saw in American education. I could engage in rational, no-nonsense debates with my classmates and teachers. Back home, that would have been nearly impossible because of the deeply ingrained culture of deference to authority.
Given what’s been happening in the K–12 system and the college admissions landscape over the past few years, I’m rethinking where to send my child for higher education.

When i was little my parents told me Asians go to school six days a week and that was 35 years ago

Correct was like that but if you think about it. It’s ironic that some immigrant families still enroll their children in after-school and weekend tutoring programs here in the U.S.. Speaking as an Asian who dislikes grind culture, it’s almost amusing to see practices I once considered mind-killing practices now taking hold in the U.S. Essentially there is no escape for these poor children.

maybe they want their kids to retain ties to language and culture.
why is that a bad thing? White liberals sending their kids to mandarin or spanish immersion school
but somehow it’s bad for immigrant families to send their kids to weekend heritage language/culture schools? Russians, French, Germans, Muslims; all immigrants do this if they settle in a place that has large enough of an ethnic community to support it.

If you believe it is enriching to your family, no one will stop you. No reason to seek validation or outright generalize every immigrant or race. People can see in their eyes who's doing what

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

OK MAGA.

Asia has more than 50% of the world population. And Asians are not a monolith. They make for 50 countries of the world.

So, "WHITES" need to get their act together and start studying hard like other people and compete with Asians. There is no AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for Whites and Asians.

If Whites are the most privileged race in America then they better make themselves capable enough to compete fairly.
Otherwise don't call Trump Taco for reinstating H1B

Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

And why are they more resourced? It is not as if they have benefited from being under colonial rule, is it? It is not as if they get benefit of affirmative action. Well, it has to do with their family structure and the love that their parents have for them. The family prioritizes education and will sacrifice for the education of their children. It is hard for everyone in the family but they endure. Copy that in your own family and you will be successful too. Need to learn to sacrifice for the education of your children.

The proof that they work harder than any other race in education? The proof my dear is in the pudding. Have you heard of the achievement gap? Or do you think that they are intellectually superior to other races?

This seems completely unnecessary in a country where you can live a quality upper middle class lifestyle without ever holding post at an elite institutions. The scarcity mindset of Asian parents clearly is a factor of being from an immigrant background.

* not every Asian country wants to move to US for quality of life.

(Something I always feel annoyed the assumption that all the Asian immigrants are from poorer or developing areas)

But that wasn't the assumption of the post. If your goal is the best education instead of upper middle class living, you just don't need to concern yourself with the t20. There's about 100 institutions that'll fit your educational needs, so what? Do asian Americans have some intrinsic understanding about higher ed that we all else lack?

A little bit of more context from my perspective:
When I came to the U.S. for college from a homogeneous island country in Asia, I was deeply inspired by the openness and creativity of the college environment here. For me, coming here wasn’t about economic opportunity; it was mainly about escaping the same grinding pressure that many now see within Asian communities in the U.S. Years ago, top U.S. institutions were genuinely inspiring—full of remarkable minds and a true diversity of intelligence. That was the intrinsic value I saw in American education. I could engage in rational, no-nonsense debates with my classmates and teachers. Back home, that would have been nearly impossible because of the deeply ingrained culture of deference to authority.
Given what’s been happening in the K–12 system and the college admissions landscape over the past few years, I’m rethinking where to send my child for higher education.

When i was little my parents told me Asians go to school six days a week and that was 35 years ago

Correct was like that but if you think about it. It’s ironic that some immigrant families still enroll their children in after-school and weekend tutoring programs here in the U.S.. Speaking as an Asian who dislikes grind culture, it’s almost amusing to see practices I once considered mind-killing practices now taking hold in the U.S. Essentially there is no escape for these poor children.

maybe they want their kids to retain ties to language and culture.
why is that a bad thing? White liberals sending their kids to mandarin or spanish immersion school
but somehow it’s bad for immigrant families to send their kids to weekend heritage language/culture schools? Russians, French, Germans, Muslims; all immigrants do this if they settle in a place that has large enough of an ethnic community to support it.

If elite colleges stop looking at these enriching "EC", sports, math competition, foreign languages, your community probably will drop it in no time.

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i highly doubt anyone is sending their kids to weekend heritage language schools
because it “looks good” for college. If anything, the time required is a detriment to actually pursuing other EC activities that can be a bona fide admissions hook, like travel sports.

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25% pell grant. top 3 strongest freshman class by test score and class rank. they are also going test required next year and have no legacy admissions. optimizing for true merit

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Anonymous wrote:25% pell grant. top 3 strongest freshman class by test score and class rank. they are also going test required next year and have no legacy admissions. optimizing for true merit

https://hub.jhu.edu/2025/12/01/johns-hopkins-demographic-makeup-class-of-2029/

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Anonymous wrote:i highly doubt anyone is sending their kids to weekend heritage language schools
because it “looks good” for college. If anything, the time required is a detriment to actually pursuing other EC activities that can be a bona fide admissions hook, like travel sports.

Or math classes right? otherwise how can they be genius

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

Exactly. Do we really love the SAT, or do we only love it to the extent it seems to justify white supremacy? Because I suspect it’s the latter.

So they loved the SAT when it filtered out black applicants but stunned it down when it started following out white applicants?

If we went back to the SAT we had before dumbing down, colleges would be too Asian?

I am an Asian but I will be honest I despise grinding and dislike seeing robotic behaviors and thinking from any races. I don't think grinding hard is Asian only things, Asian are the biggest population in the
world so it gives that stereotype that Asians are all robots. No it is not.

Dude, nobody LIKES grinding. But repetition and practice is necessary to improve a skill.

While Asians don't have a monopoly on hard work, Asians on average study more hours than other groups. Much more. The average black student spend 36 minutes a day on homework, Hispanic students spend 50 minutes, white students spend 56 minutes, while Asian students spend 134 minutes a day... 2 hours and 14 minutes a day.... on homework. These are averages and they explain the differences in average academic performance.

Seriously? My Indian kid (I count as Asian) spent 10 minutes a day on homework until Calc BC. That was only because the teacher was awful. Kid was admitted to multiple HYPSM btw — mostly because of LORs.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

Exactly. Do we really love the SAT, or do we only love it to the extent it seems to justify white supremacy? Because I suspect it’s the latter.

So they loved the SAT when it filtered out black applicants but stunned it down when it started following out white applicants?

If we went back to the SAT we had before dumbing down, colleges would be too Asian?

I am an Asian but I will be honest I despise grinding and dislike seeing robotic behaviors and thinking from any races. I don't think grinding hard is Asian only things, Asian are the biggest population in the
world so it gives that stereotype that Asians are all robots. No it is not.

Dude, nobody LIKES grinding. But repetition and practice is necessary to improve a skill.

While Asians don't have a monopoly on hard work, Asians on average study more hours than other groups. Much more. The average black student spend 36 minutes a day on homework, Hispanic students spend 50 minutes, white students spend 56 minutes, while Asian students spend 134 minutes a day... 2 hours and 14 minutes a day.... on homework. These are averages and they explain the differences in average academic performance.

Seriously? My Indian kid (I count as Asian) spent 10 minutes a day on homework until Calc BC. That was only because the teacher was awful. Kid was admitted to multiple HYPSM btw — mostly because of LORs.

lol there are true intelligent people that some grinding people would never understand

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, want to correct your comment on

*Asian kids are not just dominating math, they are now also winning poetry and writing competitions.*

These do not equate the achievement to progress mankind. For that, I haven't seen much from Asian. Even though they do a lot of _looking good activities for the colleges_

I would consider those who achieve to contribute to the societies mean more than these extrinsic success just for getting into colleges

+1 Agree that most kids probably do competitions for getting into college. But we do need to blame colleges for that. All the former AOs who became consultants and told kids to win competitions! We also need colleges to provide great advising for students who want to contribute to society in meaningful ways. I don’t think HYPSM do this well at all.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really a bummer. Way, way too much emphasis on standardized testing.

No, JHU uses holistic admissions. SFFA revealed that Aisan applicants are also better on average to white applicants on non-testing measures like extracurricular activity.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really a bummer. Way, way too much emphasis on standardized testing.

No, JHU uses holistic admissions. SFFA revealed that Aisan applicants** are also better on average to white applicants on non-testing measures like extracurricular activity.

**the ones who are applying to Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

OK MAGA.

Asia has more than 50% of the world population. And Asians are not a monolith. They make for 50 countries of the world.

So, "WHITES" need to get their act together and start studying hard like other people and compete with Asians. There is no AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for Whites and Asians.

If Whites are the most priviledged race in America then they better make themselves capable enough to compete fairly.
Otherwise don't call Trump Taco for reinstating H1B

Is there any proof that Asians actually work harder than other races? They are more resourced than most races for sure.

Yes, it's a common stereotype that seems to play out in the fact that they have better test scores and higher levels of extracurricular achievement accounting for income, hence their overrepresentation at top colleges.

This outperformance is despite the fact that only East Asians hold a noticeable intelligence advantage over whites, yet Asians other than East Asians also outperform whites: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1406402111#:~:text=All%20Asian%20ethnic%20groups%20outperform,greater%20academic%20effort%20than%20whites.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really a bummer. Way, way too much emphasis on standardized testing.

No, JHU uses holistic admissions. SFFA revealed that Aisan applicants are also better on average to white applicants on non-testing measures like extracurricular activity.

Yeah, Aisan applicants are better to white applicants on any activity.