What happens to unborn babies?

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In Islamic faith, parents will be reunited with their miscarried children in the afterlife; a stillborn or miscarried child will wait at the gates of Paradise for its parents, eventually pulling them in. Allah will ensure its parents' entry into Paradise and reunion with the child if they exhibited patience in their grief.

I don't know if it means literal reunion in paradise or used as a metaphor for emotional attainment of peace which feels like being in a paradise with your loved ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.

What's the question?

A poster said science has the answer for unborn babies. They never answered.

I'm not the Kool-Aid poster, and I don't know what either of you of meant by the "answer." But if I was worried about the survival of an unborn baby I would take science and modern medical treatments over prayer.

It's not an either or. Literally no one is forced to choose between those things. You can put your child in the hands of the very best surgeons you can find, and then pray in the waiting room. Or have a bedtime routine where you give your child a breathing treatment and then say prayers together.

What? You don't trust god to watch out for the well-being of your child?

I trust God to have created a world that includes wonders like modern medicine.

And most of the doctors don't believe in God themselves. Ask them, if it matters to you.

PP you quoted here.

I would never ask my child’s doctor their religious beliefs, just like I would never share my religious beliefs in a professional context. But NIH says that you are wrong.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071796/

This study, cited in pubmed, is from February 2017 - almost 9 years ago. You can bet that more doctors are non-believers now and that more doctors are willing to acknowledge their lack of belief in God.

That's really sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.

What's the question?

A poster said science has the answer for unborn babies. They never answered.

I'm not the Kool-Aid poster, and I don't know what either of you of meant by the "answer." But if I was worried about the survival of an unborn baby I would take science and modern medical treatments over prayer.

It's not an either or. Literally no one is forced to choose between those things. You can put your child in the hands of the very best surgeons you can find, and then pray in the waiting room. Or have a bedtime routine where you give your child a breathing treatment and then say prayers together.

What? You don't trust god to watch out for the well-being of your child?

I trust God to have created a world that includes wonders like modern medicine.

And most of the doctors don't believe in God themselves. Ask them, if it matters to you.

PP you quoted here.

I would never ask my child’s doctor their religious beliefs, just like I would never share my religious beliefs in a professional context. But NIH says that you are wrong.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071796/

This study, cited in pubmed, is from February 2017 - almost 9 years ago. You can bet that more doctors are non-believers now and that more doctors are willing to acknowledge their lack of belief in God.

That's really sad.

Not really. Doctors see it all, not just the “miracles” but the tragedies too. At some point, when you see enough, you conclude that either God doesn’t exist, or if God does exist, he’s not worth the bother.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.

What's the question?

A poster said science has the answer for unborn babies. They never answered.

I'm not the Kool-Aid poster, and I don't know what either of you of meant by the "answer." But if I was worried about the survival of an unborn baby I would take science and modern medical treatments over prayer.

It's not an either or. Literally no one is forced to choose between those things. You can put your child in the hands of the very best surgeons you can find, and then pray in the waiting room. Or have a bedtime routine where you give your child a breathing treatment and then say prayers together.

What? You don't trust god to watch out for the well-being of your child?

I trust God to have created a world that includes wonders like modern medicine.

And most of the doctors don't believe in God themselves. Ask them, if it matters to you.

PP you quoted here.

I would never ask my child’s doctor their religious beliefs, just like I would never share my religious beliefs in a professional context. But NIH says that you are wrong.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071796/

This study, cited in pubmed, is from February 2017 - almost 9 years ago. You can bet that more doctors are non-believers now and that more doctors are willing to acknowledge their lack of belief in God.

That's really sad.

No, it's not nearly as bad as it looks at first glance. In some parts of the country, especially 10+ years ago, there was cultural pressure to say you were religious. The 50% figure was likely a gross exaggeration back in 2014, and will certainly be far smaller today given that the major of non-elderly people are are openly nonreligious.

Don't worry, your doctors probably aren't in any cults.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.

What's the question?

A poster said science has the answer for unborn babies. They never answered.

I'm not the Kool-Aid poster, and I don't know what either of you of meant by the "answer." But if I was worried about the survival of an unborn baby I would take science and modern medical treatments over prayer.

It's not an either or. Literally no one is forced to choose between those things. You can put your child in the hands of the very best surgeons you can find, and then pray in the waiting room. Or have a bedtime routine where you give your child a breathing treatment and then say prayers together.

What? You don't trust god to watch out for the well-being of your child?

I trust God to have created a world that includes wonders like modern medicine.

And most of the doctors don't believe in God themselves. Ask them, if it matters to you.

PP you quoted here.

I would never ask my child’s doctor their religious beliefs, just like I would never share my religious beliefs in a professional context. But NIH says that you are wrong.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071796/

This study, cited in pubmed, is from February 2017 - almost 9 years ago. You can bet that more doctors are non-believers now and that more doctors are willing to acknowledge their lack of belief in God.

That's really sad.

No, it's not nearly as bad as it looks at first glance. In some parts of the country, especially 10+ years ago, there was cultural pressure to say you were religious. The 50% figure was likely a gross exaggeration back in 2014, and will certainly be far smaller today given that the major of non-elderly people are are openly nonreligious.

Don't worry, your doctors probably aren't in any cults.

And your doctors should be up on all the latest science, which is what you want in a doctor

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.

What's the question?

A poster said science has the answer for unborn babies. They never answered.

I'm not the Kool-Aid poster, and I don't know what either of you of meant by the "answer." But if I was worried about the survival of an unborn baby I would take science and modern medical treatments over prayer.

It's not an either or. Literally no one is forced to choose between those things. You can put your child in the hands of the very best surgeons you can find, and then pray in the waiting room. Or have a bedtime routine where you give your child a breathing treatment and then say prayers together.

What? You don't trust god to watch out for the well-being of your child?

I trust God to have created a world that includes wonders like modern medicine.

And most of the doctors don't believe in God themselves. Ask them, if it matters to you.

PP you quoted here.

I would never ask my child’s doctor their religious beliefs, just like I would never share my religious beliefs in a professional context. But NIH says that you are wrong.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071796/

This study, cited in pubmed, is from February 2017 - almost 9 years ago. You can bet that more doctors are non-believers now and that more doctors are willing to acknowledge their lack of belief in God.

That's really sad.

No, it's not nearly as bad as it looks at first glance. In some parts of the country, especially 10+ years ago, there was cultural pressure to say you were religious. The 50% figure was likely a gross exaggeration back in 2014, and will certainly be far smaller today given that the major of non-elderly people are are openly nonreligious.

Don't worry, your doctors probably aren't in any cults.

The majority of non-elderly people may not be religious, but most of them are not talking openly about it. They tend to be respectful of religious people IRL, which is more than you can say about the way religious people treat people who are openly non-believing.

e.g., it's OK to speculate about what happens to unborn babies from a religious point of view, but is considered rude to say that they just die like everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.

What's the question?

A poster said science has the answer for unborn babies. They never answered.

I'm not the Kool-Aid poster, and I don't know what either of you of meant by the "answer." But if I was worried about the survival of an unborn baby I would take science and modern medical treatments over prayer.

It's not an either or. Literally no one is forced to choose between those things. You can put your child in the hands of the very best surgeons you can find, and then pray in the waiting room. Or have a bedtime routine where you give your child a breathing treatment and then say prayers together.

What? You don't trust god to watch out for the well-being of your child?

I trust God to have created a world that includes wonders like modern medicine.

And most of the doctors don't believe in God themselves. Ask them, if it matters to you.

PP you quoted here.

I would never ask my child’s doctor their religious beliefs, just like I would never share my religious beliefs in a professional context. But NIH says that you are wrong.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071796/

This study, cited in pubmed, is from February 2017 - almost 9 years ago. You can bet that more doctors are non-believers now and that more doctors are willing to acknowledge their lack of belief in God.

That's really sad.

No, it's not nearly as bad as it looks at first glance. In some parts of the country, especially 10+ years ago, there was cultural pressure to say you were religious. The 50% figure was likely a gross exaggeration back in 2014, and will certainly be far smaller today given that the major of non-elderly people are are openly nonreligious.

Don't worry, your doctors probably aren't in any cults.

The majority of non-elderly people may not be religious, but most of them are not talking openly about it. They tend to be respectful of religious people IRL, which is more than you can say about the way religious people treat people who are openly non-believing.

e.g., it's OK to speculate about what happens to unborn babies from a religious point of view, but is considered rude to say that they just die like everyone else.

It depends on the context, but it is basically like telling an 8 year old there's no Santa. At that age they probably know better, but are trying to delude themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.

What's the question?

A poster said science has the answer for unborn babies. They never answered.

I'm not the Kool-Aid poster, and I don't know what either of you of meant by the "answer." But if I was worried about the survival of an unborn baby I would take science and modern medical treatments over prayer.

It's not an either or. Literally no one is forced to choose between those things. You can put your child in the hands of the very best surgeons you can find, and then pray in the waiting room. Or have a bedtime routine where you give your child a breathing treatment and then say prayers together.

What? You don't trust god to watch out for the well-being of your child?

I trust God to have created a world that includes wonders like modern medicine.

And most of the doctors don't believe in God themselves. Ask them, if it matters to you.

PP you quoted here.

I would never ask my child’s doctor their religious beliefs, just like I would never share my religious beliefs in a professional context. But NIH says that you are wrong.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071796/

This study, cited in pubmed, is from February 2017 - almost 9 years ago. You can bet that more doctors are non-believers now and that more doctors are willing to acknowledge their lack of belief in God.

That's really sad.

No it is not "sad"
Science is a thing idiot

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive the criminal on the cross? I believe he said: "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Wouldn't God's mercy extend to unborn babies?

Why wouldn’t God give mercy to everything? He created everything. It wouldn’t make any sense for Him to not do it.

DP. I believe that God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, and what the previous poster posted doesn't preclude that. But that's not what the OP asked.

God's mercy will eventually extend to everything and everyone, but meanwhile, Catholic children will be shot at during a back-to-school mass

The shooter was also anti-Catholic and mad at God as you seem to be. Perhaps you could provide insight for us into why his anger at God / religion / Catholicism led him to commit such crimes?

Given that the Catholic Church does not protect children, one can see why many are against the Catholic church. I grew up in a parish where the priests were moved in and out, and the church knew they hurt children. We even had nuns who were beyond horrifying to kids. The church just looked the other way for years and years.

The church is still protecting the criminals and not the innocent by paying for lawsuits.

All Religions are drinking the Kool-Aid grifts. Especially the more conservative they are. As for the unborn, science is the answer not religion.

Science has the answer for the unborn? What’s the answer?

Well, science is much more likely to keep a baby alive than religion. I'm not sure why you worship an alleged being that has so much disdain for you.

You didn’t answer the question.

What's the question?

A poster said science has the answer for unborn babies. They never answered.

I'm not the Kool-Aid poster, and I don't know what either of you of meant by the "answer." But if I was worried about the survival of an unborn baby I would take science and modern medical treatments over prayer.

It's not an either or. Literally no one is forced to choose between those things. You can put your child in the hands of the very best surgeons you can find, and then pray in the waiting room. Or have a bedtime routine where you give your child a breathing treatment and then say prayers together.

What? You don't trust god to watch out for the well-being of your child?

I trust God to have created a world that includes wonders like modern medicine.

And most of the doctors don't believe in God themselves. Ask them, if it matters to you.

PP you quoted here.

I would never ask my child’s doctor their religious beliefs, just like I would never share my religious beliefs in a professional context. But NIH says that you are wrong.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071796/

This study, cited in pubmed, is from February 2017 - almost 9 years ago. You can bet that more doctors are non-believers now and that more doctors are willing to acknowledge their lack of belief in God.

That's really sad.

Not really. Doctors see it all, not just the “miracles” but the tragedies too. At some point, when you see enough, you conclude that either God doesn’t exist, or if God does exist, he’s not worth the bother.

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There are no unborn babies.

Even if there were Republicans want them dead.

Anyone bringing a child into the US now is insane and a horrible human.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are no unborn babies.

Even if there were Republicans want them dead.

Anyone bringing a child into the US now is insane and a horrible human.

- “There are no unborn babies.”
Can you explain what you mean by this statement?

-“Republicans want unborn babies dead, but there are no unborn babies.”

Can you explain this statement?

“Anyone bringing a child into the US is insane and horrible.”

So you think people who have kids not only are crazy, but bad people?

[Anonymous]

I believe we’ll see the people and pets we want to see in the afterlife. I don’t believe death is the end. I’d have ended this shit show twenty years ago if I didn’t have hope for something better. I also hope that we won’t have to see the people we don’t want to see as well. I am not sure if heaven/hell is a place or just a state of mind. We can be at home with people we love and feel like heaven and we can be at home with people we hate and feel like we’re in hell.

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Anonymous wrote:There are no unborn babies.

Even if there were Republicans want them dead.

Anyone bringing a child into the US now is insane and a horrible human.

- “There are no unborn babies.”
Can you explain what you mean by this statement?

-“Republicans want unborn babies dead, but there are no unborn babies.”

Can you explain this statement?

“Anyone bringing a child into the US is insane and horrible.”

So you think people who have kids not only are crazy, but bad people?

DP, but on the last point, yes. It is incredibly reckless and selfish to bring kids into this world- particularly into the US. There's no reason to believe things will get better.

In particular, just think what could happen if you had a girl. Horrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe we’ll see the people and pets we want to see in the afterlife. I don’t believe death is the end. I’d have ended this shit show twenty years ago if I didn’t have hope for something better. I also hope that we won’t have to see the people we don’t want to see as well. I am not sure if heaven/hell is a place or just a state of mind. We can be at home with people we love and feel like heaven and we can be at home with people we hate and feel like we’re in hell.

So pets have souls now too? Which ones? Just cats and dogs, or do the birds, lizards, fish, pigs, horses, snakes, and all other variety of animals that people now claim as pets also qualify? And if birds and pigs count, does that mean we have to stop eating turkey for Thanksgiving or no more bacon on my hamburgers?