When Did Having Healthcare become a Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.

No, I accept that the democratic process and policies of our lawmakers have led to public schools. I would vote for public schools any day and support paying for them. I understand that roads are fundamental to the economy and support them. Fire stations - the same. I would even support a bond measure to raise money (weirdly some municipalities rely on volunteers to put out fires, yet provide free housing to illegal immigrants). I am not opposed to some level of healthcare, but what is provided on medicaid is far above what I would support. Neighborhood clinics for preventive health and life, limb, and eyesight emergent care seems appropriate - and some program for children who need care and treatment for illnesses. Definitely not some insurance scheme that enriches for-profit health systems.

I hope you die. I mean that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America elected Trump to Make America Great Again. Barack Obama did NOTHING to help get the poisons out of our food. At least Trump got FORMER Democrat RFK on board to do something productive.

Obama did NOTHING.

He tried, but the GOP voted down the bills his white house sponsored to do these things. And if you honestly think Trump and RFK,jr are going to do ANYTHING for you, I don't know what to tell you.

Again, neither Barack nor Joe did anything to help get the poisons out of our food.

Obama had the schools feed your kids broccoli and you got REALLY pissed off over that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.

No, I accept that the democratic process and policies of our lawmakers have led to public schools. I would vote for public schools any day and support paying for them. I understand that roads are fundamental to the economy and support them. Fire stations - the same. I would even support a bond measure to raise money (weirdly some municipalities rely on volunteers to put out fires, yet provide free housing to illegal immigrants). I am not opposed to some level of healthcare, but what is provided on medicaid is far above what I would support. Neighborhood clinics for preventive health and life, limb, and eyesight emergent care seems appropriate - and some program for children who need care and treatment for illnesses. Definitely not some insurance scheme that enriches for-profit health systems.

I hope you die. I mean that.

Are you ok?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody has the "right" to free labor of another human being or the "right" to take another person's money to pay for free services.

It is charity given by the grace of others.

The entitlement attitude is childish and gross.

Thomas Jefferson and George Washington certainly felt they had the right to the free labor of the black men, women and children they enslaved. Jefferson also felt he had the right to force Sally Hemings to have sex with him and bear his children which he then forced to work for him until he died. Jefferson and Washington did a lot for America’s founding but they also felt entitled to the free labor of black people that they enslaved despite all their talk about freedom, rights, liberty. I don’t think Sally Hemings, her children, or any of the other thousands of black people who were essentially held hostage and forced to work for free were doing it to be charitable. We’ve all benefited from that forced labor though because we live in the country they helped found and they were able to do what they did and accomplish what they did with the help of the men, women and children they forced to work for free.

We all benefit too when we shop at Amazon, McDonalds, Walmart, and similar businesses and the prices are lower because they can pay their employees less because they don’t have to pay health insurance or a living wage. Bezos can rent Venice because he doesn’t pay taxes like the rest of us. Bezos, Musk, Trump, Bloomberg and many other Billionaires have had years where they’ve paid zero federal taxes and tax rates as low as .1 percent. In 2011 when Bezos was worth 18 BILLION he received a $4,000 tax credit for his kids. The people with the entitlement problem are the greedy billionaires and mega millionaires who’ve bought our media, Supreme Court, and government and they’ve done it by convincing people like you that the people looking for a hand out or to live off someone else’s free, discounted, or forced labor are the working poor, the disabled, children, veterans, and old people who need Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

Why the fixation on Thomas Jefferson? Go back fifty years and it was a black person that selling them into slavery. Fastforward a hundred years and it was a bunch of poor white people from MAGA country who ended the practice. 1960s slavery was still legal in the Middle East. Today in Kenya (remember where Obama's father is from) there are still 180,000 people living in slavery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody has the "right" to free labor of another human being or the "right" to take another person's money to pay for free services.

It is charity given by the grace of others.

The entitlement attitude is childish and gross.

Thomas Jefferson and George Washington certainly felt they had the right to the free labor of the black men, women and children they enslaved. Jefferson also felt he had the right to force Sally Hemings to have sex with him and bear his children which he then forced to work for him until he died. Jefferson and Washington did a lot for America’s founding but they also felt entitled to the free labor of black people that they enslaved despite all their talk about freedom, rights, liberty. I don’t think Sally Hemings, her children, or any of the other thousands of black people who were essentially held hostage and forced to work for free were doing it to be charitable. We’ve all benefited from that forced labor though because we live in the country they helped found and they were able to do what they did and accomplish what they did with the help of the men, women and children they forced to work for free.

We all benefit too when we shop at Amazon, McDonalds, Walmart, and similar businesses and the prices are lower because they can pay their employees less because they don’t have to pay health insurance or a living wage. Bezos can rent Venice because he doesn’t pay taxes like the rest of us. Bezos, Musk, Trump, Bloomberg and many other Billionaires have had years where they’ve paid zero federal taxes and tax rates as low as .1 percent. In 2011 when Bezos was worth 18 BILLION he received a $4,000 tax credit for his kids. The people with the entitlement problem are the greedy billionaires and mega millionaires who’ve bought our media, Supreme Court, and government and they’ve done it by convincing people like you that the people looking for a hand out or to live off someone else’s free, discounted, or forced labor are the working poor, the disabled, children, veterans, and old people who need Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

Why the fixation on Thomas Jefferson? Go back fifty years and it was a black person that selling them into slavery. Fastforward a hundred years and it was a bunch of poor white people from MAGA country who ended the practice. 1960s slavery was still legal in the Middle East. Today in Kenya (remember where Obama's father is from) there are still 180,000 people living in slavery.

Lord Calvert and Lord Baltimore were awful people who started the "once a slave always a slave" edict. Oh I know but they weren't "American". The people in Baltimore and Maryland don't seem to care. Their statues are safe. Pro-slavery Democrats tried to cede from the Union over slavery, but black women overwhelmingly vote Democrat...

It's a confusing world that's for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: for those who believe in government-run health care systems, why don't you move to a country that has such a thing?

Because they don’t want Americans. We’re now a $hithole country.

Go move to Israel if you want free healthcare. They'll gladly take Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody has the "right" to free labor of another human being or the "right" to take another person's money to pay for free services.

It is charity given by the grace of others.

The entitlement attitude is childish and gross.

Thomas Jefferson and George Washington certainly felt they had the right to the free labor of the black men, women and children they enslaved. Jefferson also felt he had the right to force Sally Hemings to have sex with him and bear his children which he then forced to work for him until he died. Jefferson and Washington did a lot for America’s founding but they also felt entitled to the free labor of black people that they enslaved despite all their talk about freedom, rights, liberty. I don’t think Sally Hemings, her children, or any of the other thousands of black people who were essentially held hostage and forced to work for free were doing it to be charitable. We’ve all benefited from that forced labor though because we live in the country they helped found and they were able to do what they did and accomplish what they did with the help of the men, women and children they forced to work for free.

We all benefit too when we shop at Amazon, McDonalds, Walmart, and similar businesses and the prices are lower because they can pay their employees less because they don’t have to pay health insurance or a living wage. Bezos can rent Venice because he doesn’t pay taxes like the rest of us. Bezos, Musk, Trump, Bloomberg and many other Billionaires have had years where they’ve paid zero federal taxes and tax rates as low as .1 percent. In 2011 when Bezos was worth 18 BILLION he received a $4,000 tax credit for his kids. The people with the entitlement problem are the greedy billionaires and mega millionaires who’ve bought our media, Supreme Court, and government and they’ve done it by convincing people like you that the people looking for a hand out or to live off someone else’s free, discounted, or forced labor are the working poor, the disabled, children, veterans, and old people who need Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

Why the fixation on Thomas Jefferson? Go back fifty years and it was a black person that selling them into slavery. Fastforward a hundred years and it was a bunch of poor white people from MAGA country who ended the practice. 1960s slavery was still legal in the Middle East. Today in Kenya (remember where Obama's father is from) there are still 180,000 people living in slavery.

Trying to compare chattel slavery to the type of slavery that has always existed elsewhere shows your lack of understanding of it. Also, blaming Africans for their own enslavement is pretty low. See above about chattel slavery being it's own unique horror that Africans of the time had no reference point for. And then to somehow credit white MAGA country for ending slavery? What universe are you even living in?

This is why we need strong public systems for public good, like schools and healthcare—so our country is made up of mostly healthy and mostly well-educated people with strong critical thinking skills. We evidently failed you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: for those who believe in government-run health care systems, why don't you move to a country that has such a thing?

Because they don’t want Americans. We’re now a $hithole country.

Go move to Israel if you want free healthcare. They'll gladly take Americans.

This is a very stupid response any time someone suggests changing something to improve this country. Who are you to decide who comes and goes? We live in a democracy, f@ckwit. We all get a say. If you don't like that, YOU leave!

[Anonymous]

It's never been a right. There's no right to force others to do anything. That's slavery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's never been a right. There's no right to force others to do anything. That's slavery.

My goodness you people are stupid. Are public school teachers slaves? Are they forced to perform their jobs? Does your brain work at all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: for those who believe in government-run health care systems, why don't you move to a country that has such a thing?

Because they don’t want Americans. We’re now a $hithole country.

Go move to Israel if you want free healthcare. They'll gladly take Americans.

Why don’t you move to Iran if you want a theocracy? Or to Russia if you want white supremacy, an oligarchy, and to be gaslit all the time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not, never in the constitution

Trump threw the Constitution out the window

So don't tell me what's in the Constitution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not, never in the constitution

Trump threw the Constitution out the window

So don't tell me what's in the Constitution.

General welfare clause

[Anonymous]

OP-I don’t mind paying for healthcare. The problem is that even paying for it does not translate into getting good coverage. If people pay for the privilege, shouldn’t they actually get access to the care they need? Without going into debt?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since healthcare must be performed by others and has to be paid for, how is it a right? If it is a right, what does that look like? Free neighborhood clinics or cancer treatment at MD Anderson?

It hasn’t.

Negotiate your own cash price for service or pay insurance premiums for them to.