Reporting Someone For Residency Fraud- FCPS

[Anonymous]

How many of you are permissive of little enforcement of illegal aliens?

Posters on this thread are basically saying that if this were illegal immigration’s they’d be fine with ICE relentlessly tracking down these thieving lying “scum”.

Or is it different when the black lady from PG is breaking the rules rather than a Hispanic guy who rakes your leaves?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Residency fraud allows a lot of poor students in Fairfax to go to lower farm schools. That’s a big reason why they won’t ever touch this.

It’d hurt equity more than help it.

Unlikely. The AAP or LI escape hatch is available to any student in FCPS if they want out of a high FARMS classroom. In high school it's the AP/IB or language transfer loophole. In any case, people don't care that much about kids who live in Fairfax fudging their addresses to go to a different school in the county. People care deeply about kids who don't live in Fairfax attending FCPS unless their parents are paying the out of district tuition.

I can assure you that people getting kicked out of their current boundary schools (i.e. Chantilly) deeply care about all the kids from other parts of Fairfax whose parents are lying about their address to go to Chantilly.

Who is getting kicked out of Chantilly? I am PP and do think there should be an annual residency check for all FCPS students, especially HS. If in boundary kids are getting kicked out that's news to me.

Have you not been paying attention to the current boundary review process. The proposals are up at fcpsboundaryreview.org showing exactly which neighborhoods are proposed to be kicked out of Chantilly. Click on HS scenarios 2 and 3 to see for yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Residency fraud allows a lot of poor students in Fairfax to go to lower farm schools. That’s a big reason why they won’t ever touch this.

It’d hurt equity more than help it.

Unlikely. The AAP or LI escape hatch is available to any student in FCPS if they want out of a high FARMS classroom. In high school it's the AP/IB or language transfer loophole. In any case, people don't care that much about kids who live in Fairfax fudging their addresses to go to a different school in the county. People care deeply about kids who don't live in Fairfax attending FCPS unless their parents are paying the out of district tuition.

I can assure you that people getting kicked out of their current boundary schools (i.e. Chantilly) deeply care about all the kids from other parts of Fairfax whose parents are lying about their address to go to Chantilly.

Who is getting kicked out of Chantilly? I am PP and do think there should be an annual residency check for all FCPS students, especially HS. If in boundary kids are getting kicked out that's news to me.

Have you not been paying attention to the current boundary review process. The proposals are up at fcpsboundaryreview.org showing exactly which neighborhoods are proposed to be kicked out of Chantilly. Click on HS scenarios 2 and 3 to see for yourself.

Yes, I'm well aware of the current boundary review process. I don't see what that has to do with people lying about their addresses to commit residency fraud. Are you insinuating that there's already a lot of it happening at Chantilly and that's why it's overcrowded? If so, you need to be reporting the people who are lying ASAP. Also, you should know that buying in a particular neighborhood does not guarantee you'll be zoned to a specific school.

[Anonymous]

You both do sound pretty trashy, but I hate cheats, so I hope you do turn her in.

Two questions - do you mind sharing her race and yours? and, which school?

apologies if those questions already are answered up thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, I reported blatant fraud when a mutual contact shared that my elderly neighbor might need some looking after since she lived alone. What a surprise - her 2 grandchildren had transferred to our neighborhood HS the school year before and were undoubtedly my DC’s classmates (one on same sports team). Mom was driving in from MD and dropping 2DC off to the HS daily. Kids never stayed over at grandma’s and clearly they were just using her address. So, I reported. Nothing was done. Both graduated from HS - got accepted to colleges.

Very frustrating for a kid from MD to take opportunities like a team roster spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You both do sound pretty trashy, but I hate cheats, so I hope you do turn her in.

Two questions - do you mind sharing her race and yours? and, which school?

apologies if those questions already are answered up thread.

Why does their race matter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many of you are permissive of little enforcement of illegal aliens?

Posters on this thread are basically saying that if this were illegal immigration’s they’d be fine with ICE relentlessly tracking down these thieving lying “scum”.

Or is it different when the black lady from PG is breaking the rules rather than a Hispanic guy who rakes your leaves?

It is more likely the kids whose parents want the bigger house but don't like the schools and are not willing to pupil place because the schools they want to attend are not available for pupil placement. Parents who have the time and money to drive their kids to and from schools but want a big house with a big yard and not a huge mortgage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Residency fraud allows a lot of poor students in Fairfax to go to lower farm schools. That’s a big reason why they won’t ever touch this.

It’d hurt equity more than help it.

Unlikely. The AAP or LI escape hatch is available to any student in FCPS if they want out of a high FARMS classroom. In high school it's the AP/IB or language transfer loophole. In any case, people don't care that much about kids who live in Fairfax fudging their addresses to go to a different school in the county. People care deeply about kids who don't live in Fairfax attending FCPS unless their parents are paying the out of district tuition.

LI only works if you are able to get a slot. The Spanish, French, and German programs have huge waitlists. The Korean and Japanese programs tend to have smaller wait lists that move but not a lot of people are interested in those languages. The Fox Mill classes are pretty much always full, but it sounds like Great Falls has space in their class. The Korean program right now is at Powell ES, but I know little about it. It looks like there is interest in starting a second Korean program at Halley ES. The problem with the immersion programs is that your child has to participate in the language and, for MS and HS, take that language in order to pupil place at schools.

Why go through that trouble when you can lie about an address and attend without locking your kid into a specific language?

[Anonymous]

Lots of fraud happening

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP and I recall as a long-ago FCPS HS graduate the not too insignificant numbers of fellow military brats who moved in temporarily with a fellow student’s family to finish out a school year (usually senior) when active parent got orders to transfer.

There was a whole procedure that involved paying tuition to FCPS - I know because we did this for a family member. This was monitored in that the arrangement had some limit (like one school year) and the tuition was fairly substantial (I remember my own father saying too expensive, too bad, we’ve moving).

So I hope this entirely program has been discontinued in the name of equity, of course.

You are correct that the military kids should not be required to pay tuition if any random from Maryland, Loudoun or Prince William County can openly cheat the system and attend fcps with no repurcussions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Residency fraud allows a lot of poor students in Fairfax to go to lower farm schools. That’s a big reason why they won’t ever touch this.

It’d hurt equity more than help it.

So you are saying that FCPS allows residency fraud to encourage wealthy families to leave their neighborhood schoolsin some modern equity version of 1970s white flight?

I think the people who take advantage of the lax residency checks tend to be people who can’t afford to buy in the area. I’m not sure what the knock on effects are, but I think that they’ll keep the status quo, less they start to identify poor kids who shouldn’t be at low farms schools.

That is not the case at our high school.

Every family I know who cheated on residency (and I know multiple families who have faked residency) did so to get a bigger house for less money, or because the housing market for our high school is very tight, and they could not find a house to buy or rent.

Most of them rented in bounds early on, moving in late elementary or middle school, but did not change the address so they could attend our pyramid for years through graduation. Fcps does not check residency once you are in the system, do it is easy to do this.

One has their kid at a local private through 8th grade. They used Grandma's address to switch to public school and register for our high school, but they actually live in a really nice neighborhood in adjacent school zone.

Another family lives in a really, really nice house zoned for a neighboring high school. They openly use a family member's address that they do not live with.

One used a family member's address for several years from late elementary through middle school. Then, when the kid moved to high school, the family member sold the house to a family with several younger kids who also attended our local publics. The original kid managed to go through all of high school to graduation using a fake address, with the house having 2 families of kids using the address, the owner's kids and the kid using the fake adddress.

Fwiw, our high school is one that most certainly is getting rezoned, and our elementary is likely to bear the brunt of the high school rezoning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Residency fraud allows a lot of poor students in Fairfax to go to lower farm schools. That’s a big reason why they won’t ever touch this.

It’d hurt equity more than help it.

So you are saying that FCPS allows residency fraud to encourage wealthy families to leave their neighborhood schoolsin some modern equity version of 1970s white flight?

I think the people who take advantage of the lax residency checks tend to be people who can’t afford to buy in the area. I’m not sure what the knock on effects are, but I think that they’ll keep the status quo, less they start to identify poor kids who shouldn’t be at low farms schools.

That is not the case at our high school.

Every family I know who cheated on residency (and I know multiple families who have faked residency) did so to get a bigger house for less money, or because the housing market for our high school is very tight, and they could not find a house to buy or rent.

Most of them rented in bounds early on, moving in late elementary or middle school, but did not change the address so they could attend our pyramid for years through graduation. Fcps does not check residency once you are in the system, do it is easy to do this.

One has their kid at a local private through 8th grade. They used Grandma's address to switch to public school and register for our high school, but they actually live in a really nice neighborhood in adjacent school zone.

Another family lives in a really, really nice house zoned for a neighboring high school. They openly use a family member's address that they do not live with.

One used a family member's address for several years from late elementary through middle school. Then, when the kid moved to high school, the family member sold the house to a family with several younger kids who also attended our local publics. The original kid managed to go through all of high school to graduation using a fake address, with the house having 2 families of kids using the address, the owner's kids and the kid using the fake adddress.

Fwiw, our high school is one that most certainly is getting rezoned, and our elementary is likely to bear the brunt of the high school rezoning.

I don't knos how that last family managed to pull it off through high school, with another family with kids living in that house. I csn only assume that either FCPS knew and looked the other way, or because the new family did not have high school kids, the elementary, middle and high school don't communicate.

How hard would it be for the high schools to assign 1-2 people per high school to spend 1 day going through a spreadsheet of addresses of all students, and marking the ones that have multiple families using the same addresses, then spending 1 dsy running the duplicate addresses through Fairfax County Icare to check the family name against ownership, then a third day contacting the parents who are duplicates or who do not match with Icare and asking them to bring in proof of residency or disenroll?

If it is really not happening often, then they could get through the entire process in less than 3 days.

Then, FCPS should also require proof of residency when a family switches to middle and high school. This would be quite simple to do.

If they can nag their military families for impact aide forms to the bitter end, FCPS can easily do basic residency checks.

[Anonymous]

Definitely turn her in for her deceitful, thieving behavior. But please try to refrain from using the phrase ”queen bee of the admins” again……..

For everyone saying FCPS won’t do anything—not true! I know a family who recently moved into the area and rented a house in a good FCPS school district for their HS-aged kids, and were shocked to get a knock on their door accusing them of residency fraud. It turned out the landlords were living in a cheaper apartment elsewhere but also using the SFH address for their own HS-aged kid. So the family’s lease unexpectedly ended and they are house-hunting in earnest now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Definitely turn her in for her deceitful, thieving behavior. But please try to refrain from using the phrase ”queen bee of the admins” again……..

For everyone saying FCPS won’t do anything—not true! I know a family who recently moved into the area and rented a house in a good FCPS school district for their HS-aged kids, and were shocked to get a knock on their door accusing them of residency fraud. It turned out the landlords were living in a cheaper apartment elsewhere but also using the SFH address for their own HS-aged kid. So the family’s lease unexpectedly ended and they are house-hunting in earnest now.

How rotten of the landlords.

Is this recent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely turn her in for her deceitful, thieving behavior. But please try to refrain from using the phrase ”queen bee of the admins” again……..

For everyone saying FCPS won’t do anything—not true! I know a family who recently moved into the area and rented a house in a good FCPS school district for their HS-aged kids, and were shocked to get a knock on their door accusing them of residency fraud. It turned out the landlords were living in a cheaper apartment elsewhere but also using the SFH address for their own HS-aged kid. So the family’s lease unexpectedly ended and they are house-hunting in earnest now.

How rotten of the landlords.

Is this recent?

...a family who recently moved into the area
...the family’s lease unexpectedly ended and they are house-hunting in earnest now.

Did you bother to read any of what they wrote?