If your child was TO or below 1400 on the SAT, how are they doing in college?

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Anonymous wrote:The unwashed masses of Ohio State with over 40,000 students and their freshman class test submitting rate is 20% for SAT and 60% for ACT. Yuck. Who knew absolute dunces were walking amongst us. /s

And any large state school that everyone touts. Even the Southern ones that have the least educated populations. They all must be dummies because of TO.

Sounds silly, right?

Not dummies necessarily, but almost certainly less academically qualified than students submitting test scores.

Submitting scores often just indicates your parents have the funds to spend on multiple tests and professional test prep.

Really? So every kid that does well must be because of funds and test prep??

My kid took it once, paid for by MCPS, no professional test prep, no tutoring. Scored 1570+.

Even rich people can have super smart kids.

More often than not, the high score kids do not use any test prep or tutoring.
Conversely, the ones who use test prep or tutoring often only achieve a mediocre score.
This day and age, there are tons of study materials out there for free. There is no need for tutoring (chegg is out of business).
Also, there are free tutors available from CB.
These standardized tests are not difficult; they primarily assess material that aligns with a standard middle-high school curriculum, including algebra, geometry, reading comprehension, and grammar—subjects students are expected to learn to earn a high school diploma.

Blah, blah, blah.

The test prep industry is a billion dollars for a reason. It keeps the College Board and ACT in business. Superscore anyone?

And the vast majority of UMC families utilize it. Asians basically invented cram mills and their Asian American offspring use some variation of them in the U S. too.

Don't be fooled nor naive.

Kid got 1230 SAT LOL

1230 is 79th percentile LOL STFU

yes that's like c+

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Anonymous wrote:The unwashed masses of Ohio State with over 40,000 students and their freshman class test submitting rate is 20% for SAT and 60% for ACT. Yuck. Who knew absolute dunces were walking amongst us. /s

And any large state school that everyone touts. Even the Southern ones that have the least educated populations. They all must be dummies because of TO.

Sounds silly, right?

Not dummies necessarily, but almost certainly less academically qualified than students submitting test scores.

Submitting scores often just indicates your parents have the funds to spend on multiple tests and professional test prep.

Really? So every kid that does well must be because of funds and test prep??

My kid took it once, paid for by MCPS, no professional test prep, no tutoring. Scored 1570+.

Even rich people can have super smart kids.

More often than not, the high score kids do not use any test prep or tutoring.
Conversely, the ones who use test prep or tutoring often only achieve a mediocre score.
This day and age, there are tons of study materials out there for free. There is no need for tutoring (chegg is out of business).
Also, there are free tutors available from CB.
These standardized tests are not difficult; they primarily assess material that aligns with a standard middle-high school curriculum, including algebra, geometry, reading comprehension, and grammar—subjects students are expected to learn to earn a high school diploma.

Blah, blah, blah.

The test prep industry is a billion dollars for a reason. It keeps the College Board and ACT in business. Superscore anyone?

And the vast majority of UMC families utilize it. Asians basically invented cram mills and their Asian American offspring use some variation of them in the U S. too.

Don't be fooled nor naive.

Kid got 1230 SAT LOL

1230 is 79th percentile LOL STFU

yes that's like c+

Not really, an actual grade of C+ in a class isn’t going to be in the 79th percentile. You can keep making yourself look like a moron or STFU

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Anonymous wrote:When evaluating first-year candidates for software engineering jobs we make them take a test, and the highest scorer gets he interview. We don't care about GPA, we should do the same for college entry.

How many times do you let them retake the test?

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Anonymous wrote:When evaluating first-year candidates for software engineering jobs we make them take a test, and the highest scorer gets he interview. We don't care about GPA, we should do the same for college entry.

How many times do you let them retake the test?

Job interview for SWE takes several rounds, each round the candidate gets another chance to prove themselves.

But this is off the point, you really should let it go. The TO lovers on this board are really out of control. It’s weird how much they love test optional, it’s to the point where I wonder if they have social skills or friends in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:When evaluating first-year candidates for software engineering jobs we make them take a test, and the highest scorer gets he interview. We don't care about GPA, we should do the same for college entry.

What peer-reviewed data do you have that suggests this is a good idea for your firm?

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1400 SAT is 94th percentile. There's not much difference in intelligence between 94th percentile (1400) and 98th percentile (1500).

So I'm sure all the kids who scored 1350 (90th percentile) to 1400 (94th percentile) are doing great in college!

So many other factors are more important than a standardized test you can take infinite number of times.

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Anonymous wrote:1400 SAT is 94th percentile. There's not much difference in intelligence between 94th percentile (1400) and 98th percentile (1500).

So I'm sure all the kids who scored 1350 (90th percentile) to 1400 (94th percentile) are doing great in college!

So many other factors are more important than a standardized test you can take infinite number of times.

This is ridiculous! My kid scored 1000 doing great in college. They are super active in the community and contribute to the school. Score has nothing to do with intelligence, at all.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid went TO with a 1400 because submitted ranges have trended upward since Covid. He has a 3.8 at a T20.

DC has a 1400 - can I ask where you submitted or didn’t submit and was this for ED or RD? Ty.

FWIW this was 2 cycles ago. DS wouldn’t ED so apps were EA and RD. HS counselor instructed him to submit to any VA publics (coming from NoVA) and outside of that I don’t recall the specifics, but the formula was basically looking at where his score fell on the school’s published test score distribution, how the school values test scores, and the percentage of students who submit vs who apply TO. I recall Michigan being a tough call because his score was a little lower but they recommend submitting so more kids do. DS was WL there.

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Tufts AO told us to submit any score around 1400-ish ... I think pendulum is going to swing to reporting a wider berth of scores.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unwashed masses of Ohio State with over 40,000 students and their freshman class test submitting rate is 20% for SAT and 60% for ACT. Yuck. Who knew absolute dunces were walking amongst us. /s

And any large state school that everyone touts. Even the Southern ones that have the least educated populations. They all must be dummies because of TO.

Sounds silly, right?

Not dummies necessarily, but almost certainly less academically qualified than students submitting test scores.

Submitting scores often just indicates your parents have the funds to spend on multiple tests and professional test prep.

Really? So every kid that does well must be because of funds and test prep??

My kid took it once, paid for by MCPS, no professional test prep, no tutoring. Scored 1570+.

Even rich people can have super smart kids.

More often than not, the high score kids do not use any test prep or tutoring.
Conversely, the ones who use test prep or tutoring often only achieve a mediocre score.
This day and age, there are tons of study materials out there for free. There is no need for tutoring (chegg is out of business).
Also, there are free tutors available from CB.
These standardized tests are not difficult; they primarily assess material that aligns with a standard middle-high school curriculum, including algebra, geometry, reading comprehension, and grammar—subjects students are expected to learn to earn a high school diploma.

Blah, blah, blah.

The test prep industry is a billion dollars for a reason. It keeps the College Board and ACT in business. Superscore anyone?

And the vast majority of UMC families utilize it. Asians basically invented cram mills and their Asian American offspring use some variation of them in the U S. too.

Don't be fooled nor naive.

Kid got 1230 SAT LOL

1230 is 79th percentile LOL STFU

but but your are so mad your kid got 1230 when your Asian neighbor kid got 1530 LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid went TO with a 1400 because submitted ranges have trended upward since Covid. He has a 3.8 at a T20.

DC has a 1400 - can I ask where you submitted or didn’t submit and was this for ED or RD? Ty.

FWIW this was 2 cycles ago. DS wouldn’t ED so apps were EA and RD. HS counselor instructed him to submit to any VA publics (coming from NoVA) and outside of that I don’t recall the specifics, but the formula was basically looking at where his score fell on the school’s published test score distribution, how the school values test scores, and the percentage of students who submit vs who apply TO. I recall Michigan being a tough call because his score was a little lower but they recommend submitting so more kids do. DS was WL there.

My kid didn’t submit Michigan OOS and was admitted (humanities major).

Remember don’t use the CDS for OOS - bc the 25% CDS is generally instate. Scores should be close to 1460-1480 if submitting OOS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mine went TO to William and Mary.His best friend entered with a 1540 SAT. His friend has been struggling and mine is is doing well with a Business Analytics major and a time consuming arts minor. There is a lot more to it than scores.

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My kids are doing just fine, even without top SAT scores.
They worked hard in high school, had well-balanced extracurriculars and leadership roles.
Their GPA was strong, and they took a rigorous course load. They are all attending selective colleges.

I believe success isn't defined by the SAT score—it's the grit and diligence that bring out the best in you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine went TO to William and Mary.His best friend entered with a 1540 SAT. His friend has been struggling and mine is is doing well with a Business Analytics major and a time consuming arts minor. There is a lot more to it than scores.

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My kids are doing just fine, even without top SAT scores.
They worked hard in high school, had well-balanced extracurriculars and leadership roles.
Their GPA was strong, and they took a rigorous course load. They are all attending selective colleges.

I believe success isn't defined by the SAT score—it's the grit and diligence that bring out the best in you.

Isn’t SAT an indicator of grit and diligence (the more you study, the better your do—?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine went TO to William and Mary.His best friend entered with a 1540 SAT. His friend has been struggling and mine is is doing well with a Business Analytics major and a time consuming arts minor. There is a lot more to it than scores.

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My kids are doing just fine, even without top SAT scores.
They worked hard in high school, had well-balanced extracurriculars and leadership roles.
Their GPA was strong, and they took a rigorous course load. They are all attending selective colleges.

I believe success isn't defined by the SAT score—it's the grit and diligence that bring out the best in you.

Isn’t SAT an indicator of grit and diligence (the more you study, the better your do—?)

For SOME kids that’s true, but kids aren’t all alike. It seems to really irk some people that there isn’t a sharp distinction between outcomes for kids with different test scores. I think we’ve all known kids who did great withe less than stellar scores and vice versa. OP, don’t worry about this part too much if a school admits your kid they think your kid can succeed there.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine went TO to William and Mary.His best friend entered with a 1540 SAT. His friend has been struggling and mine is is doing well with a Business Analytics major and a time consuming arts minor. There is a lot more to it than scores.

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My kids are doing just fine, even without top SAT scores.
They worked hard in high school, had well-balanced extracurriculars and leadership roles.
Their GPA was strong, and they took a rigorous course load. They are all attending selective colleges.

I believe success isn't defined by the SAT score—it's the grit and diligence that bring out the best in you.

Isn’t SAT an indicator of grit and diligence (the more you study, the better your do—?)

The logic is this:
Yes, there can be kids with grit and diligence who have high SAT scores, but not every low SAT score means a lack of grit and diligence, and not every high SAT score reflects grit and diligence.

Therefore, what defines your success is not your SAT score, but your grit and diligence.