Cool story bro. |
Grades are so inflated that it stops being meaningful. San Francisco school district will give F students a C, and give B students an A. https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-public...ity-homework-2078003" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-public...ity-homework-2078003 |
They called it off. |
According to the Texas release linked above: “Those who opted in had a median SAT score of 1420, compared with a median of 1160 among those who did not.” So, half of non-submitters were above 1160 (so above roughly 1200). Do you have links to data on other schools that have better results? As far as I know, Texas is the only school that released data, but I have been following this closely lately. |
You all are just spinning your wheels. There are people who barely broke 1000 on the SAT occupying the same jobs and getting the same salaries as those with higher scores and Ivy League degrees.
The SAT should be abolished altogether. All the practice and tutoring just teaches toward the test, and whether you do well or not has no weight on how well you will do in life or how intelligent you are either. In the end, it all evens out. The race to the top just to be able to signal who has bigger bragging potential is a waste of time. The world has big problems to solve, and if all you care about is a big number that you think determines how well you will do in life, then you have a big reality check coming for you. Most people succeed due to luck, grit, perseverance, how well they marry, family support, being in the right place, right time, etc. not because of a test. |
The SAT did a fantastic job in identifying high performing, high aptitude kids languishing in nowheresville. That was before it was dumbed down and rescored to become effectively meaningless. And there was (before all the dumbing down) a big overlap between SAT performance and financial outcome in life. Because higher aptitude people do better. They always have. 20 years ago the college forums were all about how someone with a 1400 SAT score (circa 2000) would have the same life outcome regardless of whether he or she went to Columbia or University of Maryland. But pretending a 1500 SAT scorer today is no smarter or not likely to have a better life outcome than a 1100 scorer is delusional. |
The delusion is that a 1500 will always have a better life outcome. It simply has never been true even to this day. Think of your logic and also take a hard look at who lives around your neighborhood and who works at your employer. You’ve all arrived at the same place regardless of your path or SAT score, or Ivy or not that you attended. My upper class NW DC neighborhood has successful people from all walks of life and many are without the pedigree being peddled here. My neighbors both admitted that they essentially bombed on the SAT and yet they live in million dollar mansions and earn hearty six figure salaries. So no, the SAT has no bearing whatsoever about how well your life will turn out. There are so many other life factors that will determine whether your kid will succeed or not. |
Agree 1,000 percent. And again, the SAT is not a measure of intelligence either. |
No one is claiming it “determines how well you do in life.” False argument |
It's largely still the same today. Stem heavy colleges such as MIT, Georgia Tech, Harvey Mudd, CMU produce really high income graduates, in some cases higher than Ivy League graduates. The stem heavy colleges or stem-heavy major in other colleges typically require a high test score, e.g., 1500+ or even 1550+. So you see, a high test score might not get you in an Ivy League, but it typically guarantees a high income. The correlation between the two is particularly strong. |
My son took the SAT once and got a 1230. Attends Franklin and Marshall after applying TO. STEM major. Doing great.
It all depends on the student. |
What? No. Some student simply don’t test well. They can still succeed in a T30 college. DCUM is so weird. |
My daughter didn’t even submit her SATs because it wasn’t required at her school (Berkeley). She did take the pre-SATs and I believe she scored a 1350 or something.
She just graduated with a degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. She also just got a full time offer as a software developer for a FAANG. |
Really? The test is much easier now. These scores aren't very high for kids that have been on an honors track. My kids school has no homework and with a little prep most kids do this well easily if they've taken Algebra II. A lot of kids don't go to college. It's not the 90th percentile among college students. |
The SAT has become a shell of what it once was, and in many ways has lost its purpose. When originally introduced it identified really bright kids no matter where they lived.
Get a 1500 in the 70s and you were a standout, get a 1200 and you were more than ready for any college in America. But just like the rampant grade inflation the test has been re-baselined to become almost meaningless. Add on the test prep industry and once sought after scores are at the lower end of acceptable. Some kids do well on standardized tests, some don’t. College is/was the new high school. Too early to tell how changes in loan programs, the potential elimination of the Department of Education and a slow steady decline in population will impact the college landscape over the next decade or two. But those kids with grit, determination, and resilience will find a way to succeed irrespective of their SAT score. |