Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:I was wondering how Lori Loughlin had $500,000 to blow on bribes, but then I remembered that she's married to Mossimo of "Mossimo for Target".

It got me thinking about the many, MANY pairs of Mossimo leggings, tanks, tees, etc. I've gotten at Target over the past 10 years & I'm pretty sure I can be considered an accomplice to this crime for bankrolling this guy for so many years.

Sigh... serves me right for being such a basic bitch...

Mossimo money aside, Lori Laughlin does very well as an actress. I dont think people realize just how much these people make. You dont have to be Glenn Close level to do well.

Someone getting residuals from a sitcom which has been in reruns for THIRTY YEARS does a lot better than Glenn Close.

Where did you hear that?

I used to work for NBC & that is such a farce of urban legend proportions & definitely not true.

Unless you're one of the executive producers or creators of the show, as well as being the principal talent (think Cosby back in the day) residuals don't pay $hit. Residuals at that time were negotiated during the creative phase & Lori Loughlin wasn't even on the show when it was created.
Hell, Aunt Becky wasn't even a principal cast member!

Unless your show began AFTER Seinfeld or Friends (as their casts were the ones who began the art form of re-negotiating residuals as a part of contract negotiations) you make like $1 each time the show airs... and that's the truth.

Bob Saget said: "There's no Full House money. I didn't own the show. You get nothing. Residual checks on shows are nothing,"

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a291794/saget-i-dont-make-much-from-full-house/

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William H. Macey - so far they only have actual evidence (the transcripted phone conversations) of his involvement with the second daughter, who ultimately was not a student benefitting from the scheme. The parents changed their mind on her at the 11th hour.

The ONLY reason why they didn't go through with the scheme in the 11th hour for the younger daughter, is because the younger daughter begged them not to.

Apparently their younger daughter is smart as a whip & a hard worker too. She wanted to take the SAT's on her own & wanted to stick with whatever score she got.
She wanted to earn her accomplishments on her own merit.

The younger daughter took all of the prep courses, was a part of real study groups & she did all of the time consuming hard work that it takes to perform well on the SAT's.
She did what any other average high schooler in America would do in preparation, prior to taking the SAT's.

The older daughter did none of that except take the PSAT.

I feel badly for the younger daughter.
Here she was trying to do the RIGHT thing (against her family's wishes, mind you) & yet, she's still all wrapped up in this scandal because her entire family is.

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In all these cases, the parents were either trying to falsify SAT/ACT test scores or they were using the "side door" of an athletic walk-on, or both. No one actually tried to go through, or influence, any of the schools admission offices because they knew it wouldn't work. This would seem to indicate that setting up an interview for their under qualified student, and making it known that "I am Lori Loughlins daughter" or "William Macy and Felicity Huffmans daughter" or the child of any of these other very wealthy and connected parents was not enough to ensure their children were admitted to any of these top schools.

Doesn't that indicate that the admission offices of these schools are honestly reviewing applications? Admissions is not going to admit a student who has an SAT/ACT of 1050/22 at Georgetown, Stanford, USC, Yale, etc., unless they are under pressure by athletics for an elite athlete that the coaches make a truly big deal about wanting. All that Stanford nonsense about "we admit the student first" is just not true. Stanford admitted Richard Sherman (top athlete; NFL) who had a verified SAT of about 1000. Then, suddenly, a never verified 1400 SAT was his "score".

I will agree that the super wealthy definitely have an advantage. If you donate five million or more to one of these schools, I am sure that admissions is made aware of that fact. At other schools, including public's, a smaller donation carries more weight. Most of us probably remember UVA's little admissions issue last year when it came out that $500,000 got a deferral/rejection kicked back to the admissions office so they could "take another look". Ironically, in Lori Loghlins case, the $500,000 would have been a perfectly legal way to likely ensure her daughters UVA admittance and she wouldn't have even had to use her "celebrity". Probably also cost that much because I don't see her daughter having the grades, test scores, EC's (can you imagine her daughter doing volunteer work, yeah right), or high school job, etc. Since Huffman paid only for the SAT, her daughter likely had the grades, just not the test score.

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Fun fact : USC doesn’t have a water polo program

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Anonymous wrote:Lori Laughlin and spouse were particularly stupid considering their daughter already had a likely million dollar a year business as a social influencer. They would have been better off making her see a financial adviser and getting her investing like crazy so when she loses her looks or people stop caring about her, her money is earning money and she can live off investments.

Agree.

In this case, however, she leveraged a new contract related to being a college student influence, hawking dorm gear and so forth. Had she not been in college she would have had to limit herself to makeup, clubs and god knows what else.

Also, Mom said she never had a chance to go to college, and wanted her daughters to have that experience. Perhaps they can experience prison together.

I'm at a total loss as to why her family valued USC or UCLA so much over places like SMU, ASU, Arizona or SEC and lower ranked Big 10 universities she likely could have gotten into as a full-pay dumb rich kid from California? I understand USC and UCLA are more competitive than ever but for a ditz, why were they so obsessed? Doesn't make sense at all. Are there people who think USC is really, really prestigious?

would not send kid to SMU, ASU or SEC school. USC is fine and offers students a lot of opportunity. USC has a ton of successful Alumni (not from Cali or USC person). USC is also a hot school as far as college age students.

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Anonymous wrote:Found this on the ASU thread:


Loughlin's first husband, Michael R. Burns, graduated from ASU. Burns is now the vice chairman of film company Lionsgate. Giannulli went to USC, but does not appear to have graduated.

How can Loughlin sit and bash ASU when her ex went there and is worth 10 million now. I guess an USC drop-out who makes more, but is a cheat, is what they wanted their ditz daughter to strive for.

Have they fired her from Hallmark yet? Has Target dropped him yet?

Yeah. I just don’t hate these people that much.
Sure what they did was wrong, but I don’t really want them to loose everything because of it. I hope They aren’t dropped from their respective careers.

So you think a slap on the wrist should suffice? That will get the people cirrrupting admissions to stop.

Sorry, they need to lose their jobs. They are worth plenty. Their kid could have gone to any college and would still be rich. Enough with these idiots.

Parents fined.
Kids... if they were complicit, expulsion. If not, I think they review the quality of the person’s work.

Parents fined!?! They are all rich. It is like us paying a parking ticket. No lesson learned. Give me a break. Expulsion for all kids. Jail time for tax evasion and falsifying records, and cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what will happen to the daughter of the CT law partner, Gordon Caplan.

She just sat for the fake test 12/18 - thus she is still in high school and probably a junior! How humiliating for a 16/17 year old who now has to go through the application process under a HUGE microscope. Thanks Dad!!

So she goes to online high school for reasons I don't know, so in that sense at least she didn't have to face her peers this morning. She is in some tennis academy (maybe that's why she does online school so she can practice much of the day? travel to tournaments?) so she will have to eventually face her peers there. And yeah -- IDK how college admissions goes for her now for real. I mean I'm sure UConn or somewhere similarly average could take her based on just her record. I don't think your parents' names go on your college app -- so maybe just keep dad's very common name off of it and hope UConn doesn't put it together that you're THAT Caplan? Or go to an out of state bigger state school that's a degree factory like Rutgers or Penn State.

I know him. I get the instinct -- you have $$$ and want to give your kid an advantage based on that $$$, but honestly the complaint is clear that he KNEW he was doing something illegal just based on how many assurances he was seeking that this was okay. I'm not against giving kids advantages -- that's one of the benefits of having huge $$$ but either spend the $$$ or don't. If you want to give her a true advantage, open up that wallet and pay for a $5mil building on Cornell's campus. Don't go with something that in your gut feels wrong because it's only 75k; if your inclination is to get this done without spending the type of money universities typically require, then don't do anything at all and just live with the fact that your daughter is not going to be a Cornell grad like dad and will instead be like a lot of the partners' daughters with trust funds who fill the campuses of Trinty and Babson.

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Anonymous wrote:LA person here- Dying that people actually bribed themselves into Loyola!! A high school!!! That’s not even one of the hard ones to get into, I mean how dumb is your kid?!

is loyola part of it? they were a target of parents giving bribes? it has a 50+ acceptance rate!

i don't have a much bad things to say about loyola - I know a lot of sweet girls that went there. But they were out of state from the PACNW. Rich, private school girls with dads in tech.

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Someone posted things back from 2016-2014 showing school the fake foundation ‘donated’ to and Loyola was on there.. twice!! I guess some parent has two kids who couldn’t get in. I mean, at least bribe your way into the center for early education or Buckley!! Loyola hahahahaha

That was the private school that the USC water polo coach’s kids went to. Part of his payment went directly to Loyola to pay their tuition.

Facscinating! How do you know this?

I posted the excerpt from the indictment on page 80 of this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I was wondering how Lori Loughlin had $500,000 to blow on bribes, but then I remembered that she's married to Mossimo of "Mossimo for Target".

It got me thinking about the many, MANY pairs of Mossimo leggings, tanks, tees, etc. I've gotten at Target over the past 10 years & I'm pretty sure I can be considered an accomplice to this crime for bankrolling this guy for so many years.

Sigh... serves me right for being such a basic bitch...

Mossimo money aside, Lori Laughlin does very well as an actress. I dont think people realize just how much these people make. You dont have to be Glenn Close level to do well.

Someone getting residuals from a sitcom which has been in reruns for THIRTY YEARS does a lot better than Glenn Close.

Where did you hear that?

I used to work for NBC & that is such a farce of urban legend proportions & definitely not true.

Unless you're one of the executive producers or creators of the show, as well as being the principal talent (think Cosby back in the day) residuals don't pay $hit. Residuals at that time were negotiated during the creative phase & Lori Loughlin wasn't even on the show when it was created.
Hell, Aunt Becky wasn't even a principal cast member!

Unless your show began AFTER Seinfeld or Friends (as their casts were the ones who began the art form of re-negotiating residuals as a part of contract negotiations) you make like $1 each time the show airs... and that's the truth.

Bob Saget said: "There's no Full House money. I didn't own the show. You get nothing. Residual checks on shows are nothing,"

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a291794/saget-i-dont-make-much-from-full-house/

+1

There’s a reason the Olsen twins are literal billionaires and the rest of them are still begging for Hollywood scraps. They ALL jumped at the Fuller House new show. The Olsen’s massive wealth has almost 0 to do with Full House.

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Anonymous wrote:Fun fact : USC doesn’t have a water polo program

That should surprise these people.

Get bent, “fun fact” guy.

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Anonymous wrote:Fun fact : USC doesn’t have a water polo program

Guess they should give back the National Championship then.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/waterpolo-men/article/2018-11-30/usc-wins-water-polo-national-championship-over-stanford-14-12

"NCAA water polo championship: USC wins national championship, beating Stanford 14-12"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oxbridge admissions are for sure not a meritocracy. A set of eight schools get more admissions than the rest of the state schools combined, and six of those eight schools are Eton, Westminster, St. Paul's, KCS, Magdalen College School, and St. Paul's Girls. Those schools are in turn fed by ludicrously expensive and competitive London prep schools like Westminster Under that posh people hire elite tutors to get their kids past the entrance exams, or country boarding preps in Berkshire, Hertfordshire, etc. full of old money. Jack Q. Pifflewiffle from a mediocre sixth form college in Shropshire can forget about it. It's the same problems all over the world.

None of this surprises me, more just how bad and stupid they were at it. How gauche.

I agree about Oxbridge and made a similar point earlier. The percentage of students from select private schools is much higher than at HYPSM.

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Anonymous wrote:Fun fact : USC doesn’t have a water polo program

That should surprise these people.

Get bent, “fun fact” guy.

Thank you for posting this

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Anonymous wrote:Lori Laughlin and spouse were particularly stupid considering their daughter already had a likely million dollar a year business as a social influencer. They would have been better off making her see a financial adviser and getting her investing like crazy so when she loses her looks or people stop caring about her, her money is earning money and she can live off investments.

Agree.

In this case, however, she leveraged a new contract related to being a college student influence, hawking dorm gear and so forth. Had she not been in college she would have had to limit herself to makeup, clubs and god knows what else.

Also, Mom said she never had a chance to go to college, and wanted her daughters to have that experience. Perhaps they can experience prison together.

I'm at a total loss as to why her family valued USC or UCLA so much over places like SMU, ASU, Arizona or SEC and lower ranked Big 10 universities she likely could have gotten into as a full-pay dumb rich kid from California? I understand USC and UCLA are more competitive than ever but for a ditz, why were they so obsessed? Doesn't make sense at all. Are there people who think USC is really, really prestigious?

would not send kid to SMU, ASU or SEC school. USC is fine and offers students a lot of opportunity. USC has a ton of successful Alumni (not from Cali or USC person). USC is also a hot school as far as college age students.

Because there aren't any successful alumni from SMU, ASU or SEC schools. We'll tell Tim Cook, Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Hugh Shelton, Krysten Sinema, Octavia Spencer, Kathy Bates, Aaron Spelling, Karen Hughes, Alex Cruz (CEO of British Airways), Blake Mycoskie (founder of Toms), Thaddeus Arroyo (CEO, AT&T Business Solutions and International), Whitney Wolfe Herd (founder and CEO, Bumble; co-founder, Tinder), Melissa Reiff (CEO, The Container Store), Edward B. Rust, Jr. (chair, State Farm Insurance Companies). (This is just a quick sample that I bothered to type, and I left off the names of CEOs on the SMU list that inherited the family business -- e.g., Hunt Oil, Tyson Foods). The "Famous Alumni of USC" list includes Neil Armstrong and a few big producers (Robert Zemeckis, George Lucas, Ron Howard), but after that, it's a list of famous actors. That's great if you want to be in the entertainment biz, but you realize that not everyone does, right? The first name on the USC list that popped up on Google is Will Ferrel (ahead of Neil Armstrong) and I think that just about says it all.

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Anonymous wrote:Oxbridge admissions are for sure not a meritocracy. A set of eight schools get more admissions than the rest of the state schools combined, and six of those eight schools are Eton, Westminster, St. Paul's, KCS, Magdalen College School, and St. Paul's Girls. Those schools are in turn fed by ludicrously expensive and competitive London prep schools like Westminster Under that posh people hire elite tutors to get their kids past the entrance exams, or country boarding preps in Berkshire, Hertfordshire, etc. full of old money. Jack Q. Pifflewiffle from a mediocre sixth form college in Shropshire can forget about it. It's the same problems all over the world.

None of this surprises me, more just how bad and stupid they were at it. How gauche.

I agree about Oxbridge and made a similar point earlier. The percentage of students from select private schools is much higher than at HYPSM.

I love the fine people of the British Isles, but I find it amusing that people are pointing to the British educational system as a beacon of equity and social mobility.