MOCO BOE update: Beidleman Report summary

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

The notion that he may not be fired is terrifying, so yes I'd sleep better if they demonstrate they won't let predators stay in positions of leadership in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

It is pretty obvious you DGAF about the staff and students he victimized. All of the predators at MCPS including Biedleman should be fired. But it is not all or nothing. It is not if all of them haven't been fired none can be fired. That is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

Diane Morris and Munsey have been placed on leave, so they very well might lose their jobs.

Furthermore, your argument for him not losing his job is that he’s not the only bad admin in the system.

Do you think that argument works in the real world? If they catch you, they hold others accountable and responsible. If they haven’t caught the others yet, focus your energy on reporting them and getting them held accountable. Not arguing Beidleman should get a pass on online forums.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

Diane Morris and Munsey have been placed on leave, so they very well might lose their jobs.

Furthermore, your argument for him not losing his job is that he’s not the only bad admin in the system.

Do you think that argument works in the real world? If they catch you, they hold others accountable and responsible. If they haven’t caught the others yet, focus your energy on reporting them and getting them held accountable. Not arguing Beidleman should get a pass on online forums.

I didn't realize anyone had been found guilty already. The only thing I had seen was some report that concluded there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

Diane Morris and Munsey have been placed on leave, so they very well might lose their jobs.

Furthermore, your argument for him not losing his job is that he’s not the only bad admin in the system.

Do you think that argument works in the real world? If they catch you, they hold others accountable and responsible. If they haven’t caught the others yet, focus your energy on reporting them and getting them held accountable. Not arguing Beidleman should get a pass on online forums.

I didn't realize anyone had been found guilty already. The only thing I had seen was some report that concluded there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

MCPS is really rotten with creatures like you lurking around in it. I hope you get exposed and fired one day for your toxicity, lack of morals and propensity to support harmful predators because they're your friends.

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How is Munsey being mentioned in the same breath as Biedleman? That's insane.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

No, just a taxpaying resident of Montgomery County who sends my kids to MCPS and doesn't want anyone who behaves like this within a mile of them or the schools they go to. Yes, he should lose his job. This is not controversial.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

No, just a taxpaying resident of Montgomery County who sends my kids to MCPS and doesn't want anyone who behaves like this within a mile of them or the schools they go to. Yes, he should lose his job. This is not controversial.

Your kids are fine. Take a valium! Welcome to the real world kids. No kids were harmed in any of these incidents we are speaking of in this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

How is giving people a paid vacation demonstrating any kind of accountability?

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

If you were abused by a principal you would want him to lose his job as a principal. Makes sense to everyone but you apparently. Why should anyone else be subject to his abuse?

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

No, just a taxpaying resident of Montgomery County who sends my kids to MCPS and doesn't want anyone who behaves like this within a mile of them or the schools they go to. Yes, he should lose his job. This is not controversial.

Your kids are fine. Take a valium! Welcome to the real world kids. No kids were harmed in any of these incidents we are speaking of in this forum.

LIES! The crazy stuff that he let go during his watch absolutely put students in danger

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

If you were abused by a principal you would want him to lose his job as a principal. Makes sense to everyone but you apparently. Why should anyone else be subject to his abuse?

I find it really disturbing that you've tried and convicted this person before. The investigation has even been concluded.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

No, just a taxpaying resident of Montgomery County who sends my kids to MCPS and doesn't want anyone who behaves like this within a mile of them or the schools they go to. Yes, he should lose his job. This is not controversial.

Your kids are fine. Take a valium! Welcome to the real world kids. No kids were harmed in any of these incidents we are speaking of in this forum.

LIES! The crazy stuff that he let go during his watch absolutely put students in danger

Any examples?

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

If you were abused by a principal you would want him to lose his job as a principal. Makes sense to everyone but you apparently. Why should anyone else be subject to his abuse?

It’s so disheartening to throw around the word abuse when there are actually people out here suffering from real abuse.