US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

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Anonymous wrote:From Columbia University:

"higher education will take five years to fully adjust to the new legal landscape, as committees and task forces—already in place at many schools—explore ways to employ income levels, socioeconomic factors and other race-neutral factors to maintain diversity."

Folks...us white people are the winners. Do you think the group that brought the cases to the Supreme Court care about Asians?

doesn't matter what you think. getting rid of AA will give Asian students (more) equal chances to be admitted. If white students are better, they deserve it.

Not exactly. Going forward, Asian students will no longer benefit from what is currently a very strong URM advantage at top 20 SLACs and underrepresented Asian subgroups (e.g., from Myanmar) will no longer have a URM hook at Ivies.

The lawsuits were brought by a white supremacist legal organization, so the idea that Asians were ever in a position to gain something meaningful is frankly preposterous. The American right-wing, filled as it is with anti-Asian bigots, stoked anger among Asian-American parents and students as a way of entrenching white privilege. Facts.

I’m pretty sure those are not “facts.”

They are, though. If you think elite institutions are suddenly going to become majority Asian, you're kidding yourself, because this country is too damn racist for that, too.

US is 7% Asian.

Harvard is 30% Asian
MIT is 40% Asian

This ruling will apply upward pressure on those numbers.

I very much doubt that.

Didn’t number of Asians increase in California after they got rid of AA? What happened in Michigan? This has actually already happened in states. You can look at the actual results.

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Anonymous wrote:"More than a third of white students lie about their race on college applications, survey finds"
https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/

Low-quality evidence, to put it kindly. Click through to the source: "All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question."

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

correlation does not = causation

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Anonymous wrote:“A Maryland Professor Saw A Culture Of Cheating. His Chinese Students Say They Were Targeted.”

https://wamu.org/story/19/02/28/chinese-students-in-maryland-say-they-were-profiled-as-cheaters-they-arent-the-only-ones/

How about culture of commiting crimes and going to prison.

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Anonymous wrote:"More than a third of white students lie about their race on college applications, survey finds"
https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/

No wonder UVA looked so “white” when we visited. Yes, I know Hispanics can also be White.

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Why are Asians so obsessed with blacks. It’s like blacks are living rent free in your head.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are Asians so obsessed with blacks. It’s like blacks are living rent free in your head.

????
Isn’t it the other way around? Blacks and white liberals have been on Asians since the SC decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are Asians so obsessed with blacks. It’s like blacks are living rent free in your head.

Oh my.... I very nearly clicked "submit" on something that insulted all involved.

You sheeted culture warriors are having a bonanza, aren't you?

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You don't need GPAs or SAT scores to know some people are several standard deviations down.

you must be right because it applies to you, you're definitely an outlier

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

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You don't need GPAs or SAT scores to know some people are several standard deviations down.

you must be right because it applies to you, you're definitely an outlier

There are score distributions reported by race (e.g. Harvard law suit). It's not hard to find out the racial gap is huge.

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The ruling Christain white elite grts panicky about those people it thinks can compete with them, such as Jews and Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

That's not a snippet. It's the main conclusion in the abstract. You think people put snippets in the abstract? Do you even know how to read an academic paper?