US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

Again, I see in you a dumb and uneducated person. You may claim you're cultured since you're dumb. But you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are Asians so obsessed with blacks. It’s like blacks are living rent free in your head.

stop blaming slavery
it's 21st century already

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

Again, I see in you a dumb and uneducated person. You may claim you're cultured since you're dumb. But you do you.

It's funny that people this dumb and crazy are trying to decide the future of our kids. So it's great that the SCOTUS struct it down.

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

Again, I see in you a dumb and uneducated person. You may claim you're cultured since you're dumb. But you do you.

I'm the OP who posted about the literature on stereotype threat--there are literally hundreds of studies that demonstrate this. Go to google scholar, search stereotype threat, look for meta-analysis of findings, reviews of the literature, the range of findings and you can educate yourself. You have to look at the whole body of work not just a snippet from a single
study. Anyway, the findings from HBCUs are unique in that they cultivate a racial identity aimed to resist stereotypes and there are studies show that this can have some positive effects--they purposefully designed a program to protect people from the well-documented effects of stereotype threat and found some evidence that it can succeed with SAT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Maryland Professor Saw A Culture Of Cheating. His Chinese Students Say They Were Targeted.”

https://wamu.org/story/19/02/28/chinese-students-in-maryland-say-they-were-profiled-as-cheaters-they-arent-the-only-ones/

How about culture of committing crimes and going to prison

what are you even talking about ... not seen in URM students, and education will overall affect positively the URM communities
but your answer-question does imply you endorse the type of cheating in that article and those grad students of specific descent, so seems you know about it and acknowledge it
somehow, these overachieving students want fair admissions when it comes to scores but bend every rule when it comes to taking advantage of EC opportunities through family resources and friends connections ... it was better not to open the can of worms

the model minority is just some myth, you cannot lump together poor people that come here on boats or in freight containers from the same background with people that come as grad students with good stipends and no college debt ... the latter ones are the ones that then push their children to overachieve beyond their lower status vs wasp heirs

well. we do need these hard working grad students that take jobs that wasp do not want but benefit of, like animal lab technicians, and other such environments with extra risks

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oh come on. Most of us live in the DMV where the blacks and latinos getting Ivy spots are the children of doctors, law partners and diplomats.
At my kids' Big3 school they are typically the kids of 2 physician families from Chevy Chase. The poor black classmates from PG are not getting the Ivy spots--trust me.
It's the same at the top Montgomery Co high schools.
These kids have lived a more privileged life than the vast majority of white and Asian kids I know.

I'm 150% for giving and admissions boost for first-gen and/or lower economic status kids but he URM thing is a joke in the DMV.


Yeah, but that UMC Black kid might still get followed in a store, get stopped more often by police, and have issues flagging down a cab.

Serious question: is the answer to that problem, considering race in college admissions? Seems like a non sequitur.

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

Again, I see in you a dumb and uneducated person. You may claim you're cultured since you're dumb. But you do you.

I'm the OP who posted about the literature on stereotype threat--there are literally hundreds of studies that demonstrate this. Go to google scholar, search stereotype threat, look for meta-analysis of findings, reviews of the literature, the range of findings and you can educate yourself. You have to look at the whole body of work not just a snippet from a single
study. Anyway, the findings from HBCUs are unique in that they cultivate a racial identity aimed to resist stereotypes and there are studies show that this can have some positive effects--they purposefully designed a program to protect people from the well-documented effects of stereotype threat and found some evidence that it can succeed with SAT scores.

Again, I asked you to provide a link to your claim and you (or someone else) provided a link that says completely the opposite thing as what you claimed.
I don't trust you at all with your interpretations unless you can corroborate them with real articles. I'm not gonna waste my time on searching it for you.

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oh come on. Most of us live in the DMV where the blacks and latinos getting Ivy spots are the children of doctors, law partners and diplomats.
At my kids' Big3 school they are typically the kids of 2 physician families from Chevy Chase. The poor black classmates from PG are not getting the Ivy spots--trust me.
It's the same at the top Montgomery Co high schools.
These kids have lived a more privileged life than the vast majority of white and Asian kids I know.

I'm 150% for giving and admissions boost for first-gen and/or lower economic status kids but he URM thing is a joke in the DMV.

Yeah, but that UMC Black kid might still get followed in a store, get stopped more often by police, and have issues flagging down a cab.

Serious question: is the answer to that problem, considering race in college admissions? Seems like a non sequitur.
+1
Let the real truth be told.

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

That's not a snippet. It's the main conclusion in the abstract. You think people put snippets in the abstract? Do you even know how to read an academic paper?

You absolute dolt. Alston and Darity (2022) conducted this study on black students at HBCUs to see whether or not the results Steele and Aronson (1995) found with black students at Stanford University would be found. They were not as the abstract succinctly describes. But you excise the context when you post a snippet from a scientific abstract.

Actually, you are likely no dolt at all. You are quite aware of what you are doing. And then you have the temerity to add insults when you get called out.

Research, like case law, builds upon its antecedents. You know that and then go out of your way to dissuade people from seeking out the fuller context.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Maryland Professor Saw A Culture Of Cheating. His Chinese Students Say They Were Targeted.”

https://wamu.org/story/19/02/28/chinese-students-in-maryland-say-they-were-profiled-as-cheaters-they-arent-the-only-ones/

How about culture of committing crimes and going to prison

what are you even talking about ... not seen in URM students, and education will overall affect positively the URM communities
but your answer-question does imply you endorse the type of cheating in that article and those grad students of specific descent, so seems you know about it and acknowledge it
somehow, these overachieving students want fair admissions when it comes to scores but bend every rule when it comes to taking advantage of EC opportunities through family resources and friends connections ... it was better not to open the can of worms

the model minority is just some myth, you cannot lump together poor people that come here on boats or in freight containers from the same background with people that come as grad students with good stipends and no college debt ... the latter ones are the ones that then push their children to overachieve beyond their lower status vs wasp heirs

well. we do need these hard working grad students that take jobs that wasp do not want but benefit of, like animal lab technicians, and other such environments with extra risks

sounds like you endorse crimes

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

That's not a snippet. It's the main conclusion in the abstract. You think people put snippets in the abstract? Do you even know how to read an academic paper?

You absolute dolt. Alston and Darity (2022) conducted this study on black students at HBCUs to see whether or not the results Steele and Aronson (1995) found with black students at Stanford University would be found. They were not as the abstract succinctly describes. But you excise the context when you post a snippet from a scientific abstract.

Actually, you are likely no dolt at all. You are quite aware of what you are doing. And then you have the temerity to add insults when you get called out.

Research, like case law, builds upon its antecedents. You know that and then go out of your way to dissuade people from seeking out the fuller context.

I'm a PhD economist. I don't need a person like you to tell me how to read an academic paper. I'm just telling you again the paper you provided had a conclusion opposite to what you have claimed.

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Anonymous wrote:America ha been lagging behind the world for some time now. Hopefully, now thing will become better in America again. I do not want third world countries to surpass America.

Here is the POV I am talking about.

What’s the point?

As I suspected. Too dumb to even realize how far behind America has fallen.

This is directed at all races, if the US isn’t good enough for you, why are you even here? You could move somewhere else, somewhere better esp if you you have so many great qualities to offer.

And interestingly, the US has only ‘fallen’ since we began accepting people from every village in the world, that’s precisely when we began to lag behind the rest.

Since the beginning of the nation?

DP. I don't think there is a causation there, but it's true that immigration has skyrocketed over the past few decades.

What is the cause of the decline in quality US education? I am so curious. It correlates with increased immigration during the later 20th century, no?

It’s caused by the affirmative action, watering down the quality of everything so that the more “preferred race” can be selected.

Try again. The largest shift in demographics due to AA was the significant increase in enrollment for women. URMs are still...underrepresented.

"underrepresented"? that's a liberal/fascist word, not a human language

No, it's a numbers thing. URMs are not watering down the quality of anything because they aren't there.

Kids were dumbed down to accommodate more and more URMs. How hard is it to understand? Are you saying URM numbers were down since the affirmative action?

It has got to a point college admission is 'test optional' WTF

Yes and interestingly it has been show that those "tests" have a racial bias and also hurt the lower income students (no matter what race they are). So schools have chosen to use other/better methods for determining admission. Nothing new there. Been moving towards that for 1-2 decades for some schools.

yea math is really biased toward intelligent people
so they use essays that you don't even know who the F actaully wrote it

DP: See the documented literature on stereotype threat--hundreds of studies since the 1990s confirm. When a marginalized group (like Black Americans) are told a test assesses intellectual ability, they perform lower on the test. If they are told the exact same test measures effort, or learning style or something like that, they perform higher. Conversely if White or Asian-Americans perform higher on tests they are told measure intellectual ability, but lower on the same test if they are told it measures something else. The initial U of M study (Aronson & Steele) found that this difference was substantial enough to explain race-based differences in test scores of admitted students to UofM. It has since been shown to impact performance of many types of all races when a stereotype is "triggered" (e.g., White men jump lower when they are first shown images of Black basketball players than when they are just asked to jump as high as they can, women score better on spatial tests when they are not told they are tests of "mechanical aptitude" than when they are). Stereotypes that are generated over many years in subtle and not so subtle ways get triggered by tests and affect performance, especially when they are high-stakes.

Provide the link to this study. I won't surprised if you intentionally misinterpreted it.

Took me 5 seconds to google it:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268121005151#:~:text=Steele%20and%20Aronson%20(1995)%20conducted,associated%20with%20a%20black%20identity.

Since you know most people won't you get to toss out something incendiary and troll stroll away

"We find little evidence that black students at the HBCU are affected by stereotype threat, regardless of the identity of the experimenter"
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of what you claimed in the previous post. A stereotype had no impacts on black students' test performance. So the racial difference in test performance was NOT caused by test environments as you claimed.

The study say quite a bit more than the snippet you selected.

Stop trying so hard to frame and control the narrative. Maybe encourage people click on the link and read it themselves?

That's not a snippet. It's the main conclusion in the abstract. You think people put snippets in the abstract? Do you even know how to read an academic paper?

You absolute dolt. Alston and Darity (2022) conducted this study on black students at HBCUs to see whether or not the results Steele and Aronson (1995) found with black students at Stanford University would be found. They were not as the abstract succinctly describes. But you excise the context when you post a snippet from a scientific abstract.

Actually, you are likely no dolt at all. You are quite aware of what you are doing. And then you have the temerity to add insults when you get called out.

Research, like case law, builds upon its antecedents. You know that and then go out of your way to dissuade people from seeking out the fuller context.

I'm a PhD economist. I don't need a person like you to tell me how to read an academic paper. I'm just telling you again the paper you provided had a conclusion opposite to what you have claimed.

Third party observer here. You folks are entertaining AF! Please keep going!

BTW - I don't have a doctorate but I did take a year of rhetoric way back when that was offered.

PhD - you just got your as* handed to you.

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You don't need GPAs or SAT scores to know some people are several standard deviations down.

you must be right because it applies to you, you're definitely an outlier

There are score distributions reported by race (e.g. Harvard law suit). It's not hard to find out the racial gap is huge.

So the schools will engineer the class composition to minimize the racial gap on any quantitative measure, conditioned on a certain level of diversity and certain minimum quality of admit.

This will lead to something like Sinpsons paradox in the statistics of who gets in. Among the white and Asian populations higher SES will predict lower averages on quantitative measures.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Maryland Professor Saw A Culture Of Cheating. His Chinese Students Say They Were Targeted.”

https://wamu.org/story/19/02/28/chinese-students-in-maryland-say-they-were-profiled-as-cheaters-they-arent-the-only-ones/

How about culture of committing crimes and going to prison

what are you even talking about ... not seen in URM students, and education will overall affect positively the URM communities
but your answer-question does imply you endorse the type of cheating in that article and those grad students of specific descent, so seems you know about it and acknowledge it
somehow, these overachieving students want fair admissions when it comes to scores but bend every rule when it comes to taking advantage of EC opportunities through family resources and friends connections ... it was better not to open the can of worms

the model minority is just some myth, you cannot lump together poor people that come here on boats or in freight containers from the same background with people that come as grad students with good stipends and no college debt ... the latter ones are the ones that then push their children to overachieve beyond their lower status vs wasp heirs

well. we do need these hard working grad students that take jobs that wasp do not want but benefit of, like animal lab technicians, and other such environments with extra risks

sounds like you endorse crimes

They're the crimes themselves.

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This judgement from the court is very confusing.

1) It DID NOT OVERRULE GRUTTER which prohibits quotas and prevents insulation of applicants from certain racial classes from competition, but allowed diversity as a compelling interest

2) All the decision says is that Harvard's program and UNC's program as constituted violate the 14th Amendment, the same way the court ruled in Gratz vs Bollinger in 2003 and yet race based Affirmative Action did not stop after Gratz

3) It leaves open that a newly constituted Affirmative Action program "could" pass strict scrutiny by making sure that they
(a) don't have quotas,
(b) show a compelling interest that does not include diversity, righting past discrimination or rectifying historic deficit of certain races in a university,
(c) they don't use race as a stereo type and
(d) they have a clear end date.

I am going to get Harvard and other elites are going to come up with some other scheme to try to needle this thread