The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking of the Godfather, have any characters been spotted eating oranges? Or any oranges spotted as ingredients in any of the meals? I could see that being a fun Easter egg to spot because the orange thing is pretty famous Godfather reference (characters eating/buying/being bear oranges right before they die).

There have been big orange slices in the aperol spritzes, which I figured as a head nod.

Eh, that's how an aperol spriz is made and they drank aperol spritzes because that's what you do on vacation.

Oranges also exist in the world and people eat them because they're food. Didn't stop them from being meaningful in the Godfather.

I really think it was just because of the location. Aperol Spritzes are like the national drink of Italy in the summer.

I'm aware. Italy is littered with frescoes and art IRL too. They are still being used symbolically in the show.

So what is it symbolizing, then? That all four of them are going to die?

There are not orange slices in all the spritzes on this show. When the four of them are sitting around outside drinking rounds of them, they are not garnished at all in the first "do you read the news" scene, and later they all have rounds again and there are no noticeable orange slices (although in some shots it looks like there might be a wedge buried under the ice in the glass). By contrast Lucia has a giant orange wedge that takes up the entire glass in her spritz when she's first sitting by Albie at the pool, and when she orders a spritz inside the bar/restaurant it's served with an entire orange wheel sticking out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:When Daphne said she has no female friends bc they gossip behind her back - I assumed it was about Cameron's cheating, but maybe it's also that they figured out that her kids are the trainer's.

Just a random thought I had since I keep thinking about the show. Haha

I remember her saying she doesn’t have female friends, but I don’t remember her saying they gossip about her.

Then, the next day when the hour are together she talks about one of her great female friends.

*four are together

And Ethan and Harper made eyes because Harper told him how she said she had no friends

She said she didn't have female friends because they always want something from her and then they talk about her behind her back. I don't remember the exact wording

Major red flag for her. No female friends at all? Even from High School? College?

She mentions a good friend at breakfast. She has friends. She’s fun-loving. She likely had tons of friends, but I think she is afraid to let anyone get to close to her. She never lets her guard down to let a true friend see the pain. Look what her husband does. If you let people in and trust them, they can backstab you, hurt you and disappoint you. Women can be incredibly catty. Better to keep them at arm’s distance.

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Anonymous wrote:When Daphne said she has no female friends bc they gossip behind her back - I assumed it was about Cameron's cheating, but maybe it's also that they figured out that her kids are the trainer's.

Just a random thought I had since I keep thinking about the show. Haha

I remember her saying she doesn’t have female friends, but I don’t remember her saying they gossip about her.

Then, the next day when the hour are together she talks about one of her great female friends.

*four are together

And Ethan and Harper made eyes because Harper told him how she said she had no friends

She said she didn't have female friends because they always want something from her and then they talk about her behind her back. I don't remember the exact wording

Major red flag for her. No female friends at all? Even from High School? College?

She mentions a good friend at breakfast. She has friends. She’s fun-loving. She likely had tons of friends, but I think she is afraid to let anyone get to close to her. She never lets her guard down to let a true friend see the pain. Look what her husband does. If you let people in and trust them, they can backstab you, hurt you and disappoint you. Women can be incredibly catty. Better to keep them at arm’s distance.

I think her "I have no friends" was part of the Daphne/Cameron ongoing plan to figure out how to weasel their way in with Harper and Ethan. First they did super fun lovey dovey, didn't work. Then they had a fight, got them separate, and Cameron tries to get Ethan in an incriminating "we have something on each other" situation, but his lack of self-control gets in the way (or he underestimates Ethan's reserve, or both) and he ends up in a threesome with Ethan doing nothing terrible. So he enlists him to cover it up after planting a condom, so they'll both be "on the hook" with their wives (trying to shoehorn them into a frat bros have each others back situation). Meanwhile Daphne is in Noto first trying to get Harper to open up with *shopping*! *sightseeing!* and then the time-honored ruse of backstabbers everywhere: spill a detail about yourself so that the other person feels beholden to you as if they were a good friend you'd confided in. Doesn't have to be true, just has to feel vulnerable.

When Harper gets mad and drunk after confronting Ethan she says "maybe we can find some molly and really rage" and Daphne catches Cameron's eye with a smirk and an eyebrow raise, like "got 'em", not like "wow she's drunk" or "what is she implying." And Cameron takes a beat to remember he's supposed to be mad that Ethan obviously broke bro code. They're trying to figure out how to work the schism between Ethan & Harper to their advantage, since the BFF angle didn't take.

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Anonymous wrote:When Daphne said she has no female friends bc they gossip behind her back - I assumed it was about Cameron's cheating, but maybe it's also that they figured out that her kids are the trainer's.

Just a random thought I had since I keep thinking about the show. Haha

I remember her saying she doesn’t have female friends, but I don’t remember her saying they gossip about her.

Then, the next day when the hour are together she talks about one of her great female friends.

*four are together

And Ethan and Harper made eyes because Harper told him how she said she had no friends

She said she didn't have female friends because they always want something from her and then they talk about her behind her back. I don't remember the exact wording

Major red flag for her. No female friends at all? Even from High School? College?

She mentions a good friend at breakfast. She has friends. She’s fun-loving. She likely had tons of friends, but I think she is afraid to let anyone get to close to her. She never lets her guard down to let a true friend see the pain. Look what her husband does. If you let people in and trust them, they can backstab you, hurt you and disappoint you. Women can be incredibly catty. Better to keep them at arm’s distance.

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Anonymous wrote:My latest theory is that Lucia confronts Cameron and Daphne interrupts. Probably in their hotel room. There's a big fight and Daphne kills Lucia (hitting her on the head with a statue or something like that). Cameron tells Daphne to get out of there and lie on the beach and he'll take care of the body. Daphne brushes against a dead body in the water and freaks out, but the dead body is not actually Lucia but someone else (Portia or Tanya maybe? Though I know everyone thinks Tanya will be back next season).

I think this is a very real possibility for the death. The first scenario that feels true. I think Lucia is almost certainly one of the bodies given the story of St Lucia and the symbolism tying her to St Lucia all through the show and I think it will tie to her overplaying the hand she's been dealt in some way.

I think potentially adding to this that Ethan or Harper encounter Cameron doing something with the body and one of them ends up collateral damage in the aftermath. I could see this similar situation happening with Laura Dern as the killer as well. Or Mia. But in some way the girls confronting one of their targets will get one of them killed, I think there is a lot to suggest that will happen.

This is a decent theory but my money is still on Ethan doing something that leads to someone (Cameron? Harper? Lucia or Mia? Even someone unrelated to the foursome like Portia or Isabella?) dying. Just because he is the character who seems most homicidal at this point. Something is Wrong with Ethan. It wasn't just the way he was ripping into Cameron in the last episode, bringing up all these clearly longheld resentments. It's also how he responded to Mia's advances the night before. Not just turning her down, and not just turning her down in a regretful "I wish I could but don't want to betray my wife" way. But fully breaking down weeping over the situation which seems like a weird response. He's also had weird reactions to Harper walking in on him jerking off, and Harper trying to start something with him on another morning. Just strange and unexpected reactions to situations that make me feel like something is very off about him and he's got a ton of bottled up emotion that could explode out of him at any moment. Ethan is the guy I'd be most worried about being trapped in a room with at this point, followed immediately by Greg, then Cameron, then Albie, then Dom.

Daphne is the only one of the women I think is capable of cold blooded murder, but any of them could kill someone in self-defense. Except Mia. I don't think Mia kills anyone unless it's by accidental drug overdose.

I keep wondering about Ethan too. You definitely have more insight about the character; for me it’s more just “you don’t hire Will Sharpe if you’re not going to use him for more than this.” Maybe you do, because it’s not like he’s a huge name. But he’s a very good actor who has already won a BAFTA, and he’s certainly capable of more.

Good call, Ethan kills Cameron. Just like in season 1 the murder was in plain sight the whole time, ongoing simmering feud.

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Anonymous wrote:Nonno is not coming home alive.

Also he keeps injuring himself -- falling the first day, having a bandage on his head from hitting the nightstand another night. Maybe he will be hitting on someone and they'll kill him and it will be considered an unfortunate accident or something the hotel can be sued for, like the grout.

False flag.

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Anonymous wrote:My latest theory is that Lucia confronts Cameron and Daphne interrupts. Probably in their hotel room. There's a big fight and Daphne kills Lucia (hitting her on the head with a statue or something like that). Cameron tells Daphne to get out of there and lie on the beach and he'll take care of the body. Daphne brushes against a dead body in the water and freaks out, but the dead body is not actually Lucia but someone else (Portia or Tanya maybe? Though I know everyone thinks Tanya will be back next season).

I think this is a very real possibility for the death. The first scenario that feels true. I think Lucia is almost certainly one of the bodies given the story of St Lucia and the symbolism tying her to St Lucia all through the show and I think it will tie to her overplaying the hand she's been dealt in some way.

I think potentially adding to this that Ethan or Harper encounter Cameron doing something with the body and one of them ends up collateral damage in the aftermath. I could see this similar situation happening with Laura Dern as the killer as well. Or Mia. But in some way the girls confronting one of their targets will get one of them killed, I think there is a lot to suggest that will happen.

Cameron kills Lucia and then Ethan kills Cameron

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Anonymous wrote:My latest theory is that Lucia confronts Cameron and Daphne interrupts. Probably in their hotel room. There's a big fight and Daphne kills Lucia (hitting her on the head with a statue or something like that). Cameron tells Daphne to get out of there and lie on the beach and he'll take care of the body. Daphne brushes against a dead body in the water and freaks out, but the dead body is not actually Lucia but someone else (Portia or Tanya maybe? Though I know everyone thinks Tanya will be back next season).

I think this is a very real possibility for the death. The first scenario that feels true. I think Lucia is almost certainly one of the bodies given the story of St Lucia and the symbolism tying her to St Lucia all through the show and I think it will tie to her overplaying the hand she's been dealt in some way.

I think potentially adding to this that Ethan or Harper encounter Cameron doing something with the body and one of them ends up collateral damage in the aftermath. I could see this similar situation happening with Laura Dern as the killer as well. Or Mia. But in some way the girls confronting one of their targets will get one of them killed, I think there is a lot to suggest that will happen.

This is a decent theory but my money is still on Ethan doing something that leads to someone (Cameron? Harper? Lucia or Mia? Even someone unrelated to the foursome like Portia or Isabella?) dying. Just because he is the character who seems most homicidal at this point. Something is Wrong with Ethan. It wasn't just the way he was ripping into Cameron in the last episode, bringing up all these clearly longheld resentments. It's also how he responded to Mia's advances the night before. Not just turning her down, and not just turning her down in a regretful "I wish I could but don't want to betray my wife" way. But fully breaking down weeping over the situation which seems like a weird response. He's also had weird reactions to Harper walking in on him jerking off, and Harper trying to start something with him on another morning. Just strange and unexpected reactions to situations that make me feel like something is very off about him and he's got a ton of bottled up emotion that could explode out of him at any moment. Ethan is the guy I'd be most worried about being trapped in a room with at this point, followed immediately by Greg, then Cameron, then Albie, then Dom.

Daphne is the only one of the women I think is capable of cold blooded murder, but any of them could kill someone in self-defense. Except Mia. I don't think Mia kills anyone unless it's by accidental drug overdose.

I keep wondering about Ethan too. You definitely have more insight about the character; for me it’s more just “you don’t hire Will Sharpe if you’re not going to use him for more than this.” Maybe you do, because it’s not like he’s a huge name. But he’s a very good actor who has already won a BAFTA, and he’s certainly capable of more.

Good call, Ethan kills Cameron. Just like in season 1 the murder was in plain sight the whole time, ongoing simmering feud.

I think this, too. I watched the first episode again and the preview at the end showed Ethan wrestling with/holding Cameron under water. There was also another preview scene after a different episode of Ethan walking with an agonized look on his face holding his head or pulling his hair. I think he loses it after Cameron goes after Harper.

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Anonymous wrote:My latest theory is that Lucia confronts Cameron and Daphne interrupts. Probably in their hotel room. There's a big fight and Daphne kills Lucia (hitting her on the head with a statue or something like that). Cameron tells Daphne to get out of there and lie on the beach and he'll take care of the body. Daphne brushes against a dead body in the water and freaks out, but the dead body is not actually Lucia but someone else (Portia or Tanya maybe? Though I know everyone thinks Tanya will be back next season).

I think this is a very real possibility for the death. The first scenario that feels true. I think Lucia is almost certainly one of the bodies given the story of St Lucia and the symbolism tying her to St Lucia all through the show and I think it will tie to her overplaying the hand she's been dealt in some way.

I think potentially adding to this that Ethan or Harper encounter Cameron doing something with the body and one of them ends up collateral damage in the aftermath. I could see this similar situation happening with Laura Dern as the killer as well. Or Mia. But in some way the girls confronting one of their targets will get one of them killed, I think there is a lot to suggest that will happen.

This is a decent theory but my money is still on Ethan doing something that leads to someone (Cameron? Harper? Lucia or Mia? Even someone unrelated to the foursome like Portia or Isabella?) dying. Just because he is the character who seems most homicidal at this point. Something is Wrong with Ethan. It wasn't just the way he was ripping into Cameron in the last episode, bringing up all these clearly longheld resentments. It's also how he responded to Mia's advances the night before. Not just turning her down, and not just turning her down in a regretful "I wish I could but don't want to betray my wife" way. But fully breaking down weeping over the situation which seems like a weird response. He's also had weird reactions to Harper walking in on him jerking off, and Harper trying to start something with him on another morning. Just strange and unexpected reactions to situations that make me feel like something is very off about him and he's got a ton of bottled up emotion that could explode out of him at any moment. Ethan is the guy I'd be most worried about being trapped in a room with at this point, followed immediately by Greg, then Cameron, then Albie, then Dom.

Daphne is the only one of the women I think is capable of cold blooded murder, but any of them could kill someone in self-defense. Except Mia. I don't think Mia kills anyone unless it's by accidental drug overdose.

I keep wondering about Ethan too. You definitely have more insight about the character; for me it’s more just “you don’t hire Will Sharpe if you’re not going to use him for more than this.” Maybe you do, because it’s not like he’s a huge name. But he’s a very good actor who has already won a BAFTA, and he’s certainly capable of more.

Good call, Ethan kills Cameron. Just like in season 1 the murder was in plain sight the whole time, ongoing simmering feud.

I think this, too. I watched the first episode again and the preview at the end showed Ethan wrestling with/holding Cameron under water. There was also another preview scene after a different episode of Ethan walking with an agonized look on his face holding his head or pulling his hair. I think he loses it after Cameron goes after Harper.

Actually, after writing this I think it seems too obvious. Maybe there is a confrontation in the water with Cameron, Harper and Ethan and Ethan kills Harper. Or she accidently drowns.

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I just wanted to say that the death in the first season was an accident not a murder and I would imagine it will be somewhat similar this time around. I think the point of the show is that it is these people's carelessness and selfishness and lack of empathy that results in the tragedy. The whodunnit element was a total red herring the first time around.

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Are they going to keep upping the body count every season so that it's White Lotus 8: entire guest list is dead?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

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It's extremely bizarre to me that people think this woman's life is aspirational or that she has a good relationship. And yes people have said those exact things in this thread.

To me, their relationship is a complete dumpster fire and she is a cautionary tale.

And, Harper isn't? Out of the two women, Harper seems way more miserable and dissatisfied in her sexless marriage with a husband that shows her zero affection and is always annoyed with her and beating off to p*rn.

Did I say anything about Harper? No. Their marriage is a mess too. But at least Harper doesn't have innocent kids in the mix and she has a job.

Exactly, Harper can easily leave the marriage and never deal with Ethan.

Daphne cannot, she is tethered to Cam forever via the kids, custody arrangements, child support whatever direction, etc.

If she comes for money she could get full custody and live off the interest of fixed income investments. All you need is $1M of rental or yield producing investments to throw off $100-200k a year to live on. It’s called wealth. So imagine the passive income if she has a $5-20m trust. The principal isn’t going anywhere, it’s growing, and the passive income can be swept out annually as needed or reinvested

Where are you getting that Harper came from wealth?
It was implied several times that they are both new to money and don’t know yet what they going to do with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m LOLing at the idea that some of you have that Daphne or Lucia have more power than the men. Open your eyes. Cameron is not a saver. He makes a lot but clearly spends a lot too. He’s dodging paying Lucia the money he owes her probably because he knows he doesn’t have enough to cover it. If he and Daphne get divorced, she’ll be the typical cliche. A formerly pretty, now middle aged, housewife on the prowl for husband #2 before her alimony runs out. If she can’t find one, she’ll have to become a realtor or secretary or cashier. something desperate like that.

And Albie is leaving Italy within the week to go back to his bright future as a Stanford grad with rich parents. Lucia has no power over him. She’ll stay in Sicily, getting older and older, losing her looks, trying to make money through sex.

Cynical? Yeah but this is what real life is like. At the end of the day, wealth and gender finger power.

I disagree it's that straightforward. Sure, maybe that will be Daphne... but what will happen to Cameron in that situation? If he's not a saver and he's broke, then if he divorces Daphne he will truly have nothing at all -- no gorgeous wife, no kids, no money. And if he doesn't have money, how does he get the rest back? If his power lies in his money, and he's broke, and he didn't save for a rainy day... Cameron is screwed. Daphne has a very winning personality and I think it's more likely she lands on her feet, likely with help from her parents.

And while I agree in general that Albie is likely to make it out of this situation unscathed, I do think Lucia has real power because she is reading Dom pretty well. I absolutely think she has plans to gently blackmail him for cash to bankroll her own dreams. Whether this backfires or not is up in the air -- blackmail is dangerous. But Lucia is using her position of transactional intimacy in order to collect information and access, and she is at least attempting to play it to her advantage. I do think she has some power, the question is whether it will be enough to overcome the power Dom has. Dom is rich but has a fatal flaw, which is his weakness for sex and women. He is vulnerable.

Similarly, Mia is using her charm and attractiveness to wheedle job opportunities. And she has real talent. Is this massive power? No, but she's going to work it for all she's got.

I think one point of this season is that there are more kinds of power than just money or being a man. Women DO have power. Smart, insightful people DO have power. It takes more work and creativity to wield it than just being a rich white guy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Seriously, WHERE are you getting this from? We know nothing about Daphne’s background. The notion that her parents will surely be able to help is based on NOTHING.

Her parents are the ones watching the kids while they're in Italy (Daphne mentions this in an early episode when she talks about talking to the kids before bed and how much she misses them), so her parents are in the picture and stable and with it enough to take care of a couple small kids for like 10 days? Two weeks?

In other words, I'm getting this from watching the show we're talking about.

The vacation is a week. Caring for two children for one week is quite different from taking on financial responsibility for a grown woman and two children. If Cameron goes broke and her parents aren't all that financially well off, she will be in a bad situation quite quickly and the rosy picture you're painting of her life seems unlikely. What skills and education does Daphne have? Did she ever work? Why don't you make up some more stuff about her backstory out of whole cloth, so that your little fantasy of her works out?

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It's extremely bizarre to me that people think this woman's life is aspirational or that she has a good relationship. And yes people have said those exact things in this thread.

To me, their relationship is a complete dumpster fire and she is a cautionary tale.

And, Harper isn't? Out of the two women, Harper seems way more miserable and dissatisfied in her sexless marriage with a husband that shows her zero affection and is always annoyed with her and beating off to p*rn.

Did I say anything about Harper? No. Their marriage is a mess too. But at least Harper doesn't have innocent kids in the mix and she has a job.

Exactly, Harper can easily leave the marriage and never deal with Ethan.

Daphne cannot, she is tethered to Cam forever via the kids, custody arrangements, child support whatever direction, etc.

If she comes for money she could get full custody and live off the interest of fixed income investments. All you need is $1M of rental or yield producing investments to throw off $100-200k a year to live on. It’s called wealth. So imagine the passive income if she has a $5-20m trust. The principal isn’t going anywhere, it’s growing, and the passive income can be swept out annually as needed or reinvested

Where are you getting that Harper came from wealth?
It was implied several times that they are both new to money and don’t know yet what they going to do with it.

She has a job

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Anonymous wrote:When Daphne said she has no female friends bc they gossip behind her back - I assumed it was about Cameron's cheating, but maybe it's also that they figured out that her kids are the trainer's.

Just a random thought I had since I keep thinking about the show. Haha

I remember her saying she doesn’t have female friends, but I don’t remember her saying they gossip about her.

Then, the next day when the hour are together she talks about one of her great female friends.

*four are together

And Ethan and Harper made eyes because Harper told him how she said she had no friends

She said she didn't have female friends because they always want something from her and then they talk about her behind her back. I don't remember the exact wording

Major red flag for her. No female friends at all? Even from High School? College?

She mentions a good friend at breakfast. She has friends. She’s fun-loving. She likely had tons of friends, but I think she is afraid to let anyone get to close to her. She never lets her guard down to let a true friend see the pain. Look what her husband does. If you let people in and trust them, they can backstab you, hurt you and disappoint you. Women can be incredibly catty. Better to keep them at arm’s distance.

She said it's because they always "want something" and gossip behind her back. I'm assuming she's concerned that people will figure out (1) that Cameron cheats; or worse (2) that Daphne cheats with the trainer and he fathered their kids

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Maybe Ethan figures out that Cameron killed Lucia and confronts him, and they have a blowout that ends in Ethan killing Cameron