Seriously with the book banning ?

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If you’d get arrested for showing the material to your subordinates at the office, it’s wrong to show children at public schools.

How easy is that?

You think you’d get fired for showing this to your employees?








https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

So bring genderqueer to your office and show the oral sex pictures

Lol. Should I post some more of the totally subversive books you brown shirts have banned?

If you’d read the book instead of just being led around by the nose like the good little sheep you are, you’d know that was a finger. That whole two page part of the book is a bridge to the two protagonists talking about consent and how to talk about when sex doesn’t feel good. If you think high schoolers aren’t getting up this and more, do not have children. You will not be an able person to parent your child through adolescence if you don’t understand where they are developmentally.

Now let’s talk about “Before She Was Harriet.” Why did you ban that one, do you think?

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Anonymous wrote:the greatest triumph the left has achieved in this debate is convincing people to use the word "ban"

schools and libraries do not ban, they CHOOSE - what to include and what not to

GOVERNMENTS ban

Public schools and public libraries are part of the government. Did you miss that lesson in school?

The right has always loved banning books and knowledge and information that it perceives as a threat to its extremism. Can't have the free circulation of ideas!

silly response

does that therefore mean that public schools and libraries must provide access to every book ever published? of course not

you can still buy whatever you want on Amazon - if the government tells Amazon and other outlets to stop selling something, now that would be a BAN

#Facts
Progressives don't understand them.

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Anonymous wrote:the greatest triumph the left has achieved in this debate is convincing people to use the word "ban"

schools and libraries do not ban, they CHOOSE - what to include and what not to

GOVERNMENTS ban

Sadly that will continue to use the word "ban". They know they are being dishonest when they do it but they don't care. There are zero cases in this country of books being banned. Anywhere.

Cool. So teachers everywhere are allowed to bring in the book about a crayon or the graphic version of Anne Frank's diary into their classroom? School libraries in every state can stock Toni Morrison's Beloved and Ta-Nahesi Coates' Between the World and Me? Great news!

No. If it is not approved, it is the responsibility of the teacher to seek approval. If it is denied, and he/she still uses it..... he/she should be terminated for insubordination.
That's the way things work.

You’re describing a ban, genius.

You are an idiot.
With your standards and total lack of understanding of school curriculum you would have copies of Hustler available for students in the reading corner and have no problem with a teacher showing Debbie Does Dallas before summer break.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class. Per a report from KFDM confirmed by a spokesperson for Hamshire-Fannett ISD, located south of Beaumont. While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.”

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

Let's get the facts straight here....

The book the teacher read was not The Diary of Anne Frank, it was Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation.

chron.com/news/houston-t…

Which includes a depiction of molestation.

x.com/HollyBriden/st…

The teacher asked students to discuss the molestation
outlookindia.com/international/…

Yes let’s get it straight. The nudes depicted in the comic are pictures of classical statues. Completely ridiculous.

Not appropriate:

The controversial assignment came to light when students were asked to read a passage from the "unapproved" book during class, which prompted concerns from parents. The specific text in question was a diary entry written by Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl who documented her experiences hiding from Nazis in an attic in the German-occupied Netherlands during World War II. This passage contained explicit descriptions of male and female genitalia, according to reports reportedThe mother of twin brothers in the eighth-grade class, Amy Manuel, expressed her dismay, stating that her sons came home and disclosed that the teacher had made them read the sexually explicit passage aloud. Manuel said, "I mean it's bad enough she's having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other's breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy, that's not OK."

I disagree. I think it’s fine. I remember reading Ethan Frome and talking about the significance and symbolism of the shriveled cucumber over the door. I think it was 9th grade. A 14 year old should be able to read an extremely tame passage about a peer having emotions and questions about their body.
Nothing graphic is depicted. The parent sheltering their little lamb from this material is raising a boy that can’t have a mature discussion about sex. And we wonder why boys have trouble with consent… it’s difficult to talk about consent, if discussing sex is so incredibly stigmatized.

Nope. You’re nuts. There are thousands of books a teacher can choose that won’t make kids and parents uncomfortable. Your kids can read this at home.

Who knows these days. There's a school district that banned a photograph of the statue of David. Another one is banning Anne Frank. There is a school district that banned the Paperbag Princess. It's a freaking board book! It's a story about a princess who rescues a prince while wearing a paper bag. The prince is ungrateful because she is underdressed. That's it! FFS people.

they are not banning Anne Frank they are punishing a teacher who used an unauthorized book, a graphic novel about Anne Frank. Her diary was not a. Graphic novel

It was on a summer reading list, so it was not unauthorized.

It was unauthorized.

A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class.
While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

The controversy surrounding this incident is compounded by the fact that the illustrated and unabridged version of "Anne Frank's Diary" was included on a reading list distributed to parents at the beginning of the school year, even though it was never officially approved by district officials. This revelation has prompted the school district to launch an investigation into the oversight.

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/texas-middle-school-teacher-fired-after-assigning-graphic-novel-adaptation-of-anne-frank-news-319306


So, how does a book appear on a reading list you might ask?
Either a committee of teachers or some "curriculum specialist" added the book without the knowledge of administration. I know. I used to work in this field. Hopefully, the investigation will find how that happened.

More concerned that the book has been banned. That’s the concern.

I haven't read it but the reviews on Amazon seem to make it clear why the book was not approved. It is abridged, like most graphic novels are, and also includes new material that Anne's father had censored in the originally published diary, mostly pertaining to her sexual fantasies about girls, boys, and statues. Those were apparently a part of her diary that her father removed - they may be an appropriate part of a modern coming of age book but could easily be left out of the story as it has generally been told.

Being abridged is a ridiculous reason to ban something.
Also: super cool with her voice not being censored by the literal patriarchy.

Nah, I don't think being abridged is meaningful one way or the other, I just mentioned it for completeness' sake. As for the "patriarchy", I guess it depends on whether you think it's more important in school to focus on her and her coming-of-age story or focus on her in the context of the times. Kids in middle school read a lot of coming-of-age stories from various perspectives already so tbh one more isn't that valuable, but rather imo her particular perspective is the reason to read the book. I also think the issue of words-vs-pictures is at play here too. Why are the students reading a graphic novel rather than the book, either the original or the updated version?

I also understand there were some details of the particular assignment that were objected to. Firing the teacher seems a bit much to me, just telling her not to assign that lesson or book again seems like a more appropriate course of action.

Surely you are capable seeing a difference in the merit of specific curriculum isn’t what is being discussed here. This is about a teacher that was fired for assigning a book, that has been a staple of English classes for a generation.

Are we aiming for accuracy in this discussion? Or just emoting?

Non responsive

[Anonymous]

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If you’d get arrested for showing the material to your subordinates at the office, it’s wrong to show children at public schools.

How easy is that?

You think you’d get fired for showing this to your employees?








https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

So bring genderqueer to your office and show the oral sex pictures

Lol. Should I post some more of the totally subversive books you brown shirts have banned?

If you’d read the book instead of just being led around by the nose like the good little sheep you are, you’d know that was a finger. That whole two page part of the book is a bridge to the two protagonists talking about consent and how to talk about when sex doesn’t feel good. If you think high schoolers aren’t getting up this and more, do not have children. You will not be an able person to parent your child through adolescence if you don’t understand where they are developmentally.

Now let’s talk about “Before She Was Harriet.” Why did you ban that one, do you think?

The last thing these “parents” want, is for minors and vulnerable people to understand consent.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class. Per a report from KFDM confirmed by a spokesperson for Hamshire-Fannett ISD, located south of Beaumont. While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.”

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

Let's get the facts straight here....

The book the teacher read was not The Diary of Anne Frank, it was Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation.

chron.com/news/houston-t…

Which includes a depiction of molestation.

x.com/HollyBriden/st…

The teacher asked students to discuss the molestation
outlookindia.com/international/…

Yes let’s get it straight. The nudes depicted in the comic are pictures of classical statues. Completely ridiculous.

Not appropriate:

The controversial assignment came to light when students were asked to read a passage from the "unapproved" book during class, which prompted concerns from parents. The specific text in question was a diary entry written by Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl who documented her experiences hiding from Nazis in an attic in the German-occupied Netherlands during World War II. This passage contained explicit descriptions of male and female genitalia, according to reports reportedThe mother of twin brothers in the eighth-grade class, Amy Manuel, expressed her dismay, stating that her sons came home and disclosed that the teacher had made them read the sexually explicit passage aloud. Manuel said, "I mean it's bad enough she's having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other's breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy, that's not OK."

I disagree. I think it’s fine. I remember reading Ethan Frome and talking about the significance and symbolism of the shriveled cucumber over the door. I think it was 9th grade. A 14 year old should be able to read an extremely tame passage about a peer having emotions and questions about their body.
Nothing graphic is depicted. The parent sheltering their little lamb from this material is raising a boy that can’t have a mature discussion about sex. And we wonder why boys have trouble with consent… it’s difficult to talk about consent, if discussing sex is so incredibly stigmatized.

Nope. You’re nuts. There are thousands of books a teacher can choose that won’t make kids and parents uncomfortable. Your kids can read this at home.

Who knows these days. There's a school district that banned a photograph of the statue of David. Another one is banning Anne Frank. There is a school district that banned the Paperbag Princess. It's a freaking board book! It's a story about a princess who rescues a prince while wearing a paper bag. The prince is ungrateful because she is underdressed. That's it! FFS people.

they are not banning Anne Frank they are punishing a teacher who used an unauthorized book, a graphic novel about Anne Frank. Her diary was not a. Graphic novel

It was on a summer reading list, so it was not unauthorized.

It was unauthorized.

A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class.
While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

The controversy surrounding this incident is compounded by the fact that the illustrated and unabridged version of "Anne Frank's Diary" was included on a reading list distributed to parents at the beginning of the school year, even though it was never officially approved by district officials. This revelation has prompted the school district to launch an investigation into the oversight.

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/texas-middle-school-teacher-fired-after-assigning-graphic-novel-adaptation-of-anne-frank-news-319306


So, how does a book appear on a reading list you might ask?
Either a committee of teachers or some "curriculum specialist" added the book without the knowledge of administration. I know. I used to work in this field. Hopefully, the investigation will find how that happened.

More concerned that the book has been banned. That’s the concern.

I haven't read it but the reviews on Amazon seem to make it clear why the book was not approved. It is abridged, like most graphic novels are, and also includes new material that Anne's father had censored in the originally published diary, mostly pertaining to her sexual fantasies about girls, boys, and statues. Those were apparently a part of her diary that her father removed - they may be an appropriate part of a modern coming of age book but could easily be left out of the story as it has generally been told.

Being abridged is a ridiculous reason to ban something.
Also: super cool with her voice not being censored by the literal patriarchy.

Nah, I don't think being abridged is meaningful one way or the other, I just mentioned it for completeness' sake. As for the "patriarchy", I guess it depends on whether you think it's more important in school to focus on her and her coming-of-age story or focus on her in the context of the times. Kids in middle school read a lot of coming-of-age stories from various perspectives already so tbh one more isn't that valuable, but rather imo her particular perspective is the reason to read the book. I also think the issue of words-vs-pictures is at play here too. Why are the students reading a graphic novel rather than the book, either the original or the updated version?

I also understand there were some details of the particular assignment that were objected to. Firing the teacher seems a bit much to me, just telling her not to assign that lesson or book again seems like a more appropriate course of action.

Surely you are capable seeing a difference in the merit of specific curriculum isn’t what is being discussed here. This is about a teacher that was fired for assigning a book, that has been a staple of English classes for a generation.

Are we aiming for accuracy in this discussion? Or just emoting?

Non responsive

The specific details matter. We are discussing a specific instance of a teacher assigning a particular version of a book and a particular lesson along with it. Not Anne Frank in general or the original book that, as noted, has been a staple of English classes for generations.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class. Per a report from KFDM confirmed by a spokesperson for Hamshire-Fannett ISD, located south of Beaumont. While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.”

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

Let's get the facts straight here....

The book the teacher read was not The Diary of Anne Frank, it was Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation.

chron.com/news/houston-t…

Which includes a depiction of molestation.

x.com/HollyBriden/st…

The teacher asked students to discuss the molestation
outlookindia.com/international/…

Yes let’s get it straight. The nudes depicted in the comic are pictures of classical statues. Completely ridiculous.

Not appropriate:

The controversial assignment came to light when students were asked to read a passage from the "unapproved" book during class, which prompted concerns from parents. The specific text in question was a diary entry written by Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl who documented her experiences hiding from Nazis in an attic in the German-occupied Netherlands during World War II. This passage contained explicit descriptions of male and female genitalia, according to reports reportedThe mother of twin brothers in the eighth-grade class, Amy Manuel, expressed her dismay, stating that her sons came home and disclosed that the teacher had made them read the sexually explicit passage aloud. Manuel said, "I mean it's bad enough she's having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other's breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy, that's not OK."

I disagree. I think it’s fine. I remember reading Ethan Frome and talking about the significance and symbolism of the shriveled cucumber over the door. I think it was 9th grade. A 14 year old should be able to read an extremely tame passage about a peer having emotions and questions about their body.
Nothing graphic is depicted. The parent sheltering their little lamb from this material is raising a boy that can’t have a mature discussion about sex. And we wonder why boys have trouble with consent… it’s difficult to talk about consent, if discussing sex is so incredibly stigmatized.

Nope. You’re nuts. There are thousands of books a teacher can choose that won’t make kids and parents uncomfortable. Your kids can read this at home.

Who knows these days. There's a school district that banned a photograph of the statue of David. Another one is banning Anne Frank. There is a school district that banned the Paperbag Princess. It's a freaking board book! It's a story about a princess who rescues a prince while wearing a paper bag. The prince is ungrateful because she is underdressed. That's it! FFS people.

they are not banning Anne Frank they are punishing a teacher who used an unauthorized book, a graphic novel about Anne Frank. Her diary was not a. Graphic novel

It was on a summer reading list, so it was not unauthorized.

It was unauthorized.

A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class.
While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

The controversy surrounding this incident is compounded by the fact that the illustrated and unabridged version of "Anne Frank's Diary" was included on a reading list distributed to parents at the beginning of the school year, even though it was never officially approved by district officials. This revelation has prompted the school district to launch an investigation into the oversight.

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/texas-middle-school-teacher-fired-after-assigning-graphic-novel-adaptation-of-anne-frank-news-319306


So, how does a book appear on a reading list you might ask?
Either a committee of teachers or some "curriculum specialist" added the book without the knowledge of administration. I know. I used to work in this field. Hopefully, the investigation will find how that happened.

More concerned that the book has been banned. That’s the concern.

I haven't read it but the reviews on Amazon seem to make it clear why the book was not approved. It is abridged, like most graphic novels are, and also includes new material that Anne's father had censored in the originally published diary, mostly pertaining to her sexual fantasies about girls, boys, and statues. Those were apparently a part of her diary that her father removed - they may be an appropriate part of a modern coming of age book but could easily be left out of the story as it has generally been told.

Being abridged is a ridiculous reason to ban something.
Also: super cool with her voice not being censored by the literal patriarchy.

Nah, I don't think being abridged is meaningful one way or the other, I just mentioned it for completeness' sake. As for the "patriarchy", I guess it depends on whether you think it's more important in school to focus on her and her coming-of-age story or focus on her in the context of the times. Kids in middle school read a lot of coming-of-age stories from various perspectives already so tbh one more isn't that valuable, but rather imo her particular perspective is the reason to read the book. I also think the issue of words-vs-pictures is at play here too. Why are the students reading a graphic novel rather than the book, either the original or the updated version?

I also understand there were some details of the particular assignment that were objected to. Firing the teacher seems a bit much to me, just telling her not to assign that lesson or book again seems like a more appropriate course of action.

Surely you are capable seeing a difference in the merit of specific curriculum isn’t what is being discussed here. This is about a teacher that was fired for assigning a book, that has been a staple of English classes for a generation.

except it wasn’t the diary of Anne Frank

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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If you’d get arrested for showing the material to your subordinates at the office, it’s wrong to show children at public schools.

How easy is that?

You think you’d get fired for showing this to your employees?








https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

So bring genderqueer to your office and show the oral sex pictures

Lol. Should I post some more of the totally subversive books you brown shirts have banned?

If you’d read the book instead of just being led around by the nose like the good little sheep you are, you’d know that was a finger. That whole two page part of the book is a bridge to the two protagonists talking about consent and how to talk about when sex doesn’t feel good. If you think high schoolers aren’t getting up this and more, do not have children. You will not be an able person to parent your child through adolescence if you don’t understand where they are developmentally.

Now let’s talk about “Before She Was Harriet.” Why did you ban that one, do you think?

why won’t you answer my question ? Why don’t you bring genderqueer to your office and show the oral sex pictures to your co workers? I mean if it’s okay for school kids to see in class why not your adult coworkers?

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Anonymous wrote:“A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class. Per a report from KFDM confirmed by a spokesperson for Hamshire-Fannett ISD, located south of Beaumont. While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.”

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

Let's get the facts straight here....

The book the teacher read was not The Diary of Anne Frank, it was Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation.

chron.com/news/houston-t…

Which includes a depiction of molestation.

x.com/HollyBriden/st…

The teacher asked students to discuss the molestation
outlookindia.com/international/…

Yes let’s get it straight. The nudes depicted in the comic are pictures of classical statues. Completely ridiculous.

Not appropriate:

The controversial assignment came to light when students were asked to read a passage from the "unapproved" book during class, which prompted concerns from parents. The specific text in question was a diary entry written by Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl who documented her experiences hiding from Nazis in an attic in the German-occupied Netherlands during World War II. This passage contained explicit descriptions of male and female genitalia, according to reports reportedThe mother of twin brothers in the eighth-grade class, Amy Manuel, expressed her dismay, stating that her sons came home and disclosed that the teacher had made them read the sexually explicit passage aloud. Manuel said, "I mean it's bad enough she's having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other's breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy, that's not OK."

I disagree. I think it’s fine. I remember reading Ethan Frome and talking about the significance and symbolism of the shriveled cucumber over the door. I think it was 9th grade. A 14 year old should be able to read an extremely tame passage about a peer having emotions and questions about their body.
Nothing graphic is depicted. The parent sheltering their little lamb from this material is raising a boy that can’t have a mature discussion about sex. And we wonder why boys have trouble with consent… it’s difficult to talk about consent, if discussing sex is so incredibly stigmatized.

Nope. You’re nuts. There are thousands of books a teacher can choose that won’t make kids and parents uncomfortable. Your kids can read this at home.

Who knows these days. There's a school district that banned a photograph of the statue of David. Another one is banning Anne Frank. There is a school district that banned the Paperbag Princess. It's a freaking board book! It's a story about a princess who rescues a prince while wearing a paper bag. The prince is ungrateful because she is underdressed. That's it! FFS people.

they are not banning Anne Frank they are punishing a teacher who used an unauthorized book, a graphic novel about Anne Frank. Her diary was not a. Graphic novel

It was on a summer reading list, so it was not unauthorized.

It was unauthorized.

A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class.
While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

The controversy surrounding this incident is compounded by the fact that the illustrated and unabridged version of "Anne Frank's Diary" was included on a reading list distributed to parents at the beginning of the school year, even though it was never officially approved by district officials. This revelation has prompted the school district to launch an investigation into the oversight.

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/texas-middle-school-teacher-fired-after-assigning-graphic-novel-adaptation-of-anne-frank-news-319306


So, how does a book appear on a reading list you might ask?
Either a committee of teachers or some "curriculum specialist" added the book without the knowledge of administration. I know. I used to work in this field. Hopefully, the investigation will find how that happened.

More concerned that the book has been banned. That’s the concern.

I haven't read it but the reviews on Amazon seem to make it clear why the book was not approved. It is abridged, like most graphic novels are, and also includes new material that Anne's father had censored in the originally published diary, mostly pertaining to her sexual fantasies about girls, boys, and statues. Those were apparently a part of her diary that her father removed - they may be an appropriate part of a modern coming of age book but could easily be left out of the story as it has generally been told.

Being abridged is a ridiculous reason to ban something.
Also: super cool with her voice not being censored by the literal patriarchy.

Nah, I don't think being abridged is meaningful one way or the other, I just mentioned it for completeness' sake. As for the "patriarchy", I guess it depends on whether you think it's more important in school to focus on her and her coming-of-age story or focus on her in the context of the times. Kids in middle school read a lot of coming-of-age stories from various perspectives already so tbh one more isn't that valuable, but rather imo her particular perspective is the reason to read the book. I also think the issue of words-vs-pictures is at play here too. Why are the students reading a graphic novel rather than the book, either the original or the updated version?

I also understand there were some details of the particular assignment that were objected to. Firing the teacher seems a bit much to me, just telling her not to assign that lesson or book again seems like a more appropriate course of action.

Surely you are capable seeing a difference in the merit of specific curriculum isn’t what is being discussed here. This is about a teacher that was fired for assigning a book, that has been a staple of English classes for a generation.

Are we aiming for accuracy in this discussion? Or just emoting?

Non responsive

The specific details matter. We are discussing a specific instance of a teacher assigning a particular version of a book and a particular lesson along with it. Not Anne Frank in general or the original book that, as noted, has been a staple of English classes for generations.

The specifics of this book have been given. There is no nudity. No profanity.
A mother objected to her precious son having to say “breasts” out loud in front of classmates, or perhaps having to hear that dirty dirty word while seated beside a girl. It was very embarrassing, and made him uncomfortable.
The answer was of course, to fire the teacher for assigning a banned book.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class. Per a report from KFDM confirmed by a spokesperson for Hamshire-Fannett ISD, located south of Beaumont. While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.”

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

Let's get the facts straight here....

The book the teacher read was not The Diary of Anne Frank, it was Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation.

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Which includes a depiction of molestation.

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The teacher asked students to discuss the molestation
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Yes let’s get it straight. The nudes depicted in the comic are pictures of classical statues. Completely ridiculous.

Not appropriate:

The controversial assignment came to light when students were asked to read a passage from the "unapproved" book during class, which prompted concerns from parents. The specific text in question was a diary entry written by Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl who documented her experiences hiding from Nazis in an attic in the German-occupied Netherlands during World War II. This passage contained explicit descriptions of male and female genitalia, according to reports reportedThe mother of twin brothers in the eighth-grade class, Amy Manuel, expressed her dismay, stating that her sons came home and disclosed that the teacher had made them read the sexually explicit passage aloud. Manuel said, "I mean it's bad enough she's having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other's breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy, that's not OK."

I disagree. I think it’s fine. I remember reading Ethan Frome and talking about the significance and symbolism of the shriveled cucumber over the door. I think it was 9th grade. A 14 year old should be able to read an extremely tame passage about a peer having emotions and questions about their body.
Nothing graphic is depicted. The parent sheltering their little lamb from this material is raising a boy that can’t have a mature discussion about sex. And we wonder why boys have trouble with consent… it’s difficult to talk about consent, if discussing sex is so incredibly stigmatized.

Nope. You’re nuts. There are thousands of books a teacher can choose that won’t make kids and parents uncomfortable. Your kids can read this at home.

Who knows these days. There's a school district that banned a photograph of the statue of David. Another one is banning Anne Frank. There is a school district that banned the Paperbag Princess. It's a freaking board book! It's a story about a princess who rescues a prince while wearing a paper bag. The prince is ungrateful because she is underdressed. That's it! FFS people.

they are not banning Anne Frank they are punishing a teacher who used an unauthorized book, a graphic novel about Anne Frank. Her diary was not a. Graphic novel

It was on a summer reading list, so it was not unauthorized.

It was unauthorized.

A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class.
While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

The controversy surrounding this incident is compounded by the fact that the illustrated and unabridged version of "Anne Frank's Diary" was included on a reading list distributed to parents at the beginning of the school year, even though it was never officially approved by district officials. This revelation has prompted the school district to launch an investigation into the oversight.

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/texas-middle-school-teacher-fired-after-assigning-graphic-novel-adaptation-of-anne-frank-news-319306


So, how does a book appear on a reading list you might ask?
Either a committee of teachers or some "curriculum specialist" added the book without the knowledge of administration. I know. I used to work in this field. Hopefully, the investigation will find how that happened.

More concerned that the book has been banned. That’s the concern.

I haven't read it but the reviews on Amazon seem to make it clear why the book was not approved. It is abridged, like most graphic novels are, and also includes new material that Anne's father had censored in the originally published diary, mostly pertaining to her sexual fantasies about girls, boys, and statues. Those were apparently a part of her diary that her father removed - they may be an appropriate part of a modern coming of age book but could easily be left out of the story as it has generally been told.

Being abridged is a ridiculous reason to ban something.
Also: super cool with her voice not being censored by the literal patriarchy.

Nah, I don't think being abridged is meaningful one way or the other, I just mentioned it for completeness' sake. As for the "patriarchy", I guess it depends on whether you think it's more important in school to focus on her and her coming-of-age story or focus on her in the context of the times. Kids in middle school read a lot of coming-of-age stories from various perspectives already so tbh one more isn't that valuable, but rather imo her particular perspective is the reason to read the book. I also think the issue of words-vs-pictures is at play here too. Why are the students reading a graphic novel rather than the book, either the original or the updated version?

I also understand there were some details of the particular assignment that were objected to. Firing the teacher seems a bit much to me, just telling her not to assign that lesson or book again seems like a more appropriate course of action.

Surely you are capable seeing a difference in the merit of specific curriculum isn’t what is being discussed here. This is about a teacher that was fired for assigning a book, that has been a staple of English classes for a generation.

except it wasn’t the diary of Anne Frank

Yes, it is Anne Frank's diary, which she wrote when she was THE SAME AGE (OR YOUNGER) as the kids who are apparently too young to read it.

The 2018 graphic novel, adapted by Ari Folman from the unabridged version of Frank’s diary and illustrated by David Polonsky, was hailed by the New York Times Book Review as “so engaging and effective that it’s easy to imagine it replacing the Diary in classrooms and among younger readers.” The version by Folman, whose parents survived the Holocaust, illustrates the hope and despair that Frank felt during her time hiding from the Nazis inside a tiny annex. The graphic adaptation is fully authorized by the Anne Frank Fonds, the Switzerland-based foundation that oversees the copyright to Frank’s diary.

“It’s bad enough she’s having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other’s breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy,” Manuel told KFDM. “That’s not okay.”

That’s not how the Anne Frank Fonds sees it. The foundation repeatedly defended the inclusion of Frank’s original writing earlier this year to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, including the parts about her sexuality.

“We consider the book of a 12-year-old girl to be appropriate reading for her peers,” the foundation said in April.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/09/20/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired/

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^ A very fancy way of saying it is not the book that has been a staple of English classes for generations.

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If you’d get arrested for showing the material to your subordinates at the office, it’s wrong to show children at public schools.

How easy is that?

You think you’d get fired for showing this to your employees?








https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

So bring genderqueer to your office and show the oral sex pictures

Lol. Should I post some more of the totally subversive books you brown shirts have banned?

If you’d read the book instead of just being led around by the nose like the good little sheep you are, you’d know that was a finger. That whole two page part of the book is a bridge to the two protagonists talking about consent and how to talk about when sex doesn’t feel good. If you think high schoolers aren’t getting up this and more, do not have children. You will not be an able person to parent your child through adolescence if you don’t understand where they are developmentally.

Now let’s talk about “Before She Was Harriet.” Why did you ban that one, do you think?

why won’t you answer my question ? Why don’t you bring genderqueer to your office and show the oral sex pictures to your co workers? I mean if it’s okay for school kids to see in class why not your adult coworkers?

They’re not showing Genderqueer in class.

Now you answer why Before She Was Harriet has been banned.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class. Per a report from KFDM confirmed by a spokesperson for Hamshire-Fannett ISD, located south of Beaumont. While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.”

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

Let's get the facts straight here....

The book the teacher read was not The Diary of Anne Frank, it was Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation.

chron.com/news/houston-t…

Which includes a depiction of molestation.

x.com/HollyBriden/st…

The teacher asked students to discuss the molestation
outlookindia.com/international/…

Yes let’s get it straight. The nudes depicted in the comic are pictures of classical statues. Completely ridiculous.

Not appropriate:

The controversial assignment came to light when students were asked to read a passage from the "unapproved" book during class, which prompted concerns from parents. The specific text in question was a diary entry written by Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl who documented her experiences hiding from Nazis in an attic in the German-occupied Netherlands during World War II. This passage contained explicit descriptions of male and female genitalia, according to reports reportedThe mother of twin brothers in the eighth-grade class, Amy Manuel, expressed her dismay, stating that her sons came home and disclosed that the teacher had made them read the sexually explicit passage aloud. Manuel said, "I mean it's bad enough she's having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other's breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy, that's not OK."

I disagree. I think it’s fine. I remember reading Ethan Frome and talking about the significance and symbolism of the shriveled cucumber over the door. I think it was 9th grade. A 14 year old should be able to read an extremely tame passage about a peer having emotions and questions about their body.
Nothing graphic is depicted. The parent sheltering their little lamb from this material is raising a boy that can’t have a mature discussion about sex. And we wonder why boys have trouble with consent… it’s difficult to talk about consent, if discussing sex is so incredibly stigmatized.

Nope. You’re nuts. There are thousands of books a teacher can choose that won’t make kids and parents uncomfortable. Your kids can read this at home.

Who knows these days. There's a school district that banned a photograph of the statue of David. Another one is banning Anne Frank. There is a school district that banned the Paperbag Princess. It's a freaking board book! It's a story about a princess who rescues a prince while wearing a paper bag. The prince is ungrateful because she is underdressed. That's it! FFS people.

they are not banning Anne Frank they are punishing a teacher who used an unauthorized book, a graphic novel about Anne Frank. Her diary was not a. Graphic novel

It was on a summer reading list, so it was not unauthorized.

It was unauthorized.

A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class.
While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

The controversy surrounding this incident is compounded by the fact that the illustrated and unabridged version of "Anne Frank's Diary" was included on a reading list distributed to parents at the beginning of the school year, even though it was never officially approved by district officials. This revelation has prompted the school district to launch an investigation into the oversight.

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/texas-middle-school-teacher-fired-after-assigning-graphic-novel-adaptation-of-anne-frank-news-319306


So, how does a book appear on a reading list you might ask?
Either a committee of teachers or some "curriculum specialist" added the book without the knowledge of administration. I know. I used to work in this field. Hopefully, the investigation will find how that happened.

More concerned that the book has been banned. That’s the concern.

I haven't read it but the reviews on Amazon seem to make it clear why the book was not approved. It is abridged, like most graphic novels are, and also includes new material that Anne's father had censored in the originally published diary, mostly pertaining to her sexual fantasies about girls, boys, and statues. Those were apparently a part of her diary that her father removed - they may be an appropriate part of a modern coming of age book but could easily be left out of the story as it has generally been told.

Being abridged is a ridiculous reason to ban something.
Also: super cool with her voice not being censored by the literal patriarchy.

Nah, I don't think being abridged is meaningful one way or the other, I just mentioned it for completeness' sake. As for the "patriarchy", I guess it depends on whether you think it's more important in school to focus on her and her coming-of-age story or focus on her in the context of the times. Kids in middle school read a lot of coming-of-age stories from various perspectives already so tbh one more isn't that valuable, but rather imo her particular perspective is the reason to read the book. I also think the issue of words-vs-pictures is at play here too. Why are the students reading a graphic novel rather than the book, either the original or the updated version?

I also understand there were some details of the particular assignment that were objected to. Firing the teacher seems a bit much to me, just telling her not to assign that lesson or book again seems like a more appropriate course of action.

Surely you are capable seeing a difference in the merit of specific curriculum isn’t what is being discussed here. This is about a teacher that was fired for assigning a book, that has been a staple of English classes for a generation.

except it wasn’t the diary of Anne Frank

The Anne Frank Fonds disagrees with you.https://www.annefrank.ch/en

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The part of the book about male and female genitalia

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If you’d get arrested for showing the material to your subordinates at the office, it’s wrong to show children at public schools.

How easy is that?

You think you’d get fired for showing this to your employees?








https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

So bring genderqueer to your office and show the oral sex pictures

Lol. Should I post some more of the totally subversive books you brown shirts have banned?

If you’d read the book instead of just being led around by the nose like the good little sheep you are, you’d know that was a finger. That whole two page part of the book is a bridge to the two protagonists talking about consent and how to talk about when sex doesn’t feel good. If you think high schoolers aren’t getting up this and more, do not have children. You will not be an able person to parent your child through adolescence if you don’t understand where they are developmentally.

Now let’s talk about “Before She Was Harriet.” Why did you ban that one, do you think?

why won’t you answer my question ? Why don’t you bring genderqueer to your office and show the oral sex pictures to your co workers? I mean if it’s okay for school kids to see in class why not your adult coworkers?

They’re not showing Genderqueer in class.

Now you answer why Before She Was Harriet has been banned.

Me again. Also, I’m beginning to question whether or not you yourself can read. It doesn’t depict oral sex. It’s a finger. You know, those tiny appendages that hang off your palms? A finger.