Seriously with the book banning ?

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Anonymous wrote:The part of the book about male and female genitalia


This is what Republicans find so offensive? They should have given this book to Lauren Boebert as a child; it would have helped her.
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Anonymous wrote:“A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class. Per a report from KFDM confirmed by a spokesperson for Hamshire-Fannett ISD, located south of Beaumont. While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.”

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php


Let's get the facts straight here....

The book the teacher read was not The Diary of Anne Frank, it was Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation.

chron.com/news/houston-t…

Which includes a depiction of molestation.

x.com/HollyBriden/st…

The teacher asked students to discuss the molestation
outlookindia.com/international/…


Yes let’s get it straight. The nudes depicted in the comic are pictures of classical statues. Completely ridiculous.


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The controversial assignment came to light when students were asked to read a passage from the "unapproved" book during class, which prompted concerns from parents. The specific text in question was a diary entry written by Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl who documented her experiences hiding from Nazis in an attic in the German-occupied Netherlands during World War II. This passage contained explicit descriptions of male and female genitalia, according to reports reportedThe mother of twin brothers in the eighth-grade class, Amy Manuel, expressed her dismay, stating that her sons came home and disclosed that the teacher had made them read the sexually explicit passage aloud. Manuel said, "I mean it's bad enough she's having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other's breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy, that's not OK."


I disagree. I think it’s fine. I remember reading Ethan Frome and talking about the significance and symbolism of the shriveled cucumber over the door. I think it was 9th grade. A 14 year old should be able to read an extremely tame passage about a peer having emotions and questions about their body.
Nothing graphic is depicted. The parent sheltering their little lamb from this material is raising a boy that can’t have a mature discussion about sex. And we wonder why boys have trouble with consent… it’s difficult to talk about consent, if discussing sex is so incredibly stigmatized.

Nope. You’re nuts. There are thousands of books a teacher can choose that won’t make kids and parents uncomfortable. Your kids can read this at home.


Who knows these days. There's a school district that banned a photograph of the statue of David. Another one is banning Anne Frank. There is a school district that banned the Paperbag Princess. It's a freaking board book! It's a story about a princess who rescues a prince while wearing a paper bag. The prince is ungrateful because she is underdressed. That's it! FFS people.
they are not banning Anne Frank they are punishing a teacher who used an unauthorized book, a graphic novel about Anne Frank. Her diary was not a. Graphic novel

It was on a summer reading list, so it was not unauthorized.


It was unauthorized.

A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class.
While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

The controversy surrounding this incident is compounded by the fact that the illustrated and unabridged version of "Anne Frank's Diary" was included on a reading list distributed to parents at the beginning of the school year, even though it was never officially approved by district officials. This revelation has prompted the school district to launch an investigation into the oversight.

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/texas-middle-school-teacher-fired-after-assigning-graphic-novel-adaptation-of-anne-frank-news-319306


So, how does a book appear on a reading list you might ask?
Either a committee of teachers or some "curriculum specialist" added the book without the knowledge of administration. I know. I used to work in this field. Hopefully, the investigation will find how that happened.


More concerned that the book has been banned. That’s the concern.


I haven't read it but the reviews on Amazon seem to make it clear why the book was not approved. It is abridged, like most graphic novels are, and also includes new material that Anne's father had censored in the originally published diary, mostly pertaining to her sexual fantasies about girls, boys, and statues. Those were apparently a part of her diary that her father removed - they may be an appropriate part of a modern coming of age book but could easily be left out of the story as it has generally been told.


Being abridged is a ridiculous reason to ban something.
Also: super cool with her voice not being censored by the literal patriarchy.


Nah, I don't think being abridged is meaningful one way or the other, I just mentioned it for completeness' sake. As for the "patriarchy", I guess it depends on whether you think it's more important in school to focus on her and her coming-of-age story or focus on her in the context of the times. Kids in middle school read a lot of coming-of-age stories from various perspectives already so tbh one more isn't that valuable, but rather imo her particular perspective is the reason to read the book. I also think the issue of words-vs-pictures is at play here too. Why are the students reading a graphic novel rather than the book, either the original or the updated version?

I also understand there were some details of the particular assignment that were objected to. Firing the teacher seems a bit much to me, just telling her not to assign that lesson or book again seems like a more appropriate course of action.


Surely you are capable seeing a difference in the merit of specific curriculum isn’t what is being discussed here. This is about a teacher that was fired for assigning a book, that has been a staple of English classes for a generation.


Are we aiming for accuracy in this discussion? Or just emoting?


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The specific details matter. We are discussing a specific instance of a teacher assigning a particular version of a book and a particular lesson along with it. Not Anne Frank in general or the original book that, as noted, has been a staple of English classes for generations.

Exactly.
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Anonymous wrote:“A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class. Per a report from KFDM confirmed by a spokesperson for Hamshire-Fannett ISD, located south of Beaumont. While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.”

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php


Let's get the facts straight here....

The book the teacher read was not The Diary of Anne Frank, it was Anne Frank’s Diary: The Graphic Adaptation.

chron.com/news/houston-t…

Which includes a depiction of molestation.

x.com/HollyBriden/st…

The teacher asked students to discuss the molestation
outlookindia.com/international/…


Yes let’s get it straight. The nudes depicted in the comic are pictures of classical statues. Completely ridiculous.


Not appropriate:

The controversial assignment came to light when students were asked to read a passage from the "unapproved" book during class, which prompted concerns from parents. The specific text in question was a diary entry written by Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl who documented her experiences hiding from Nazis in an attic in the German-occupied Netherlands during World War II. This passage contained explicit descriptions of male and female genitalia, according to reports reportedThe mother of twin brothers in the eighth-grade class, Amy Manuel, expressed her dismay, stating that her sons came home and disclosed that the teacher had made them read the sexually explicit passage aloud. Manuel said, "I mean it's bad enough she's having them read this for an assignment, but then she also is making them read it aloud and making a little girl talk about feeling each other's breasts and when she sees a female she goes into ecstasy, that's not OK."


I disagree. I think it’s fine. I remember reading Ethan Frome and talking about the significance and symbolism of the shriveled cucumber over the door. I think it was 9th grade. A 14 year old should be able to read an extremely tame passage about a peer having emotions and questions about their body.
Nothing graphic is depicted. The parent sheltering their little lamb from this material is raising a boy that can’t have a mature discussion about sex. And we wonder why boys have trouble with consent… it’s difficult to talk about consent, if discussing sex is so incredibly stigmatized.

Nope. You’re nuts. There are thousands of books a teacher can choose that won’t make kids and parents uncomfortable. Your kids can read this at home.


Who knows these days. There's a school district that banned a photograph of the statue of David. Another one is banning Anne Frank. There is a school district that banned the Paperbag Princess. It's a freaking board book! It's a story about a princess who rescues a prince while wearing a paper bag. The prince is ungrateful because she is underdressed. That's it! FFS people.
they are not banning Anne Frank they are punishing a teacher who used an unauthorized book, a graphic novel about Anne Frank. Her diary was not a. Graphic novel

It was on a summer reading list, so it was not unauthorized.


It was unauthorized.

A Texas middle school teacher has been fired after assigning an unapproved illustrated version of Anne Frank's Diary to her eighth grade reading class.
While district officials claim the adaptation of Anne Frank's Diary was not approved, it was included on a reading list sent to parents at the start of the school year, KFDM reports.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/texas-teacher-anne-frank-fired-18375331.php

The controversy surrounding this incident is compounded by the fact that the illustrated and unabridged version of "Anne Frank's Diary" was included on a reading list distributed to parents at the beginning of the school year, even though it was never officially approved by district officials. This revelation has prompted the school district to launch an investigation into the oversight.

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/us/texas-middle-school-teacher-fired-after-assigning-graphic-novel-adaptation-of-anne-frank-news-319306


So, how does a book appear on a reading list you might ask?
Either a committee of teachers or some "curriculum specialist" added the book without the knowledge of administration. I know. I used to work in this field. Hopefully, the investigation will find how that happened.


More concerned that the book has been banned. That’s the concern.


I haven't read it but the reviews on Amazon seem to make it clear why the book was not approved. It is abridged, like most graphic novels are, and also includes new material that Anne's father had censored in the originally published diary, mostly pertaining to her sexual fantasies about girls, boys, and statues. Those were apparently a part of her diary that her father removed - they may be an appropriate part of a modern coming of age book but could easily be left out of the story as it has generally been told.


Being abridged is a ridiculous reason to ban something.
Also: super cool with her voice not being censored by the literal patriarchy.


Nah, I don't think being abridged is meaningful one way or the other, I just mentioned it for completeness' sake. As for the "patriarchy", I guess it depends on whether you think it's more important in school to focus on her and her coming-of-age story or focus on her in the context of the times. Kids in middle school read a lot of coming-of-age stories from various perspectives already so tbh one more isn't that valuable, but rather imo her particular perspective is the reason to read the book. I also think the issue of words-vs-pictures is at play here too. Why are the students reading a graphic novel rather than the book, either the original or the updated version?

I also understand there were some details of the particular assignment that were objected to. Firing the teacher seems a bit much to me, just telling her not to assign that lesson or book again seems like a more appropriate course of action.


Surely you are capable seeing a difference in the merit of specific curriculum isn’t what is being discussed here. This is about a teacher that was fired for assigning a book, that has been a staple of English classes for a generation.


Are we aiming for accuracy in this discussion? Or just emoting?


Non responsive


The specific details matter. We are discussing a specific instance of a teacher assigning a particular version of a book and a particular lesson along with it. Not Anne Frank in general or the original book that, as noted, has been a staple of English classes for generations.


The specifics of this book have been given. There is no nudity. No profanity.
A mother objected to her precious son having to say “breasts” out loud in front of classmates, or perhaps having to hear that dirty dirty word while seated beside a girl. It was very embarrassing, and made him uncomfortable.
The answer was of course, to fire the teacher for assigning a banned book.
the book wasn’t banned it just wasn’t authorized or can teachers bring in any book they want?
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Anonymous wrote:The part of the book about male and female genitalia


This is what Republicans find so offensive? They should have given this book to Lauren Boebert as a child; it would have helped her.


The ironic part of this is that liberals will want it banned for her thinking only women have internal genitals between the legs.
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Anonymous wrote:^ A very fancy way of saying it is not the book that has been a staple of English classes for generations.


How does that make it ok to ban it?
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If a student is denied access to a book because someone asked that it be removed, it's banned.
If you can still buy the book on amazon it's still banned. Because you are keeping it out of the hands of students, students with parents who maybe can't afford a book on amazon or a trip to the public library.
Call it a ban, because it certainly is.
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Anonymous wrote:If a student is denied access to a book because someone asked that it be removed, it's banned.
If you can still buy the book on amazon it's still banned. Because you are keeping it out of the hands of students, students with parents who maybe can't afford a book on amazon or a trip to the public library.
Call it a ban, because it certainly is.


Okay given schools don’t have pro nra books those books are banned.
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Anonymous wrote:^ A very fancy way of saying it is not the book that has been a staple of English classes for generations.


How does that make it ok to ban it?


For a variety of reasons, schools now only use authorized books. If a book isn't authorized, teachers don't (shouldn't) use it. You're saying that every single book that is not on the authorized list for a class/grade is banned. Mmkay...
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Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this is what my spouse shared with me, but please get the full story before you comment. I do know one of these books available to 13 year olds shows an explicit drawing of someone giving a blow job. I’m no prude and I think we should exercise extreme caution censoring books, but I don’t want my kid reading that. And no, my kid also doesn’t have unfettered access to the internet.

Well said.
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Anonymous wrote:If a student is denied access to a book because someone asked that it be removed, it's banned.
If you can still buy the book on amazon it's still banned. Because you are keeping it out of the hands of students, students with parents who maybe can't afford a book on amazon or a trip to the public library.
Call it a ban, because it certainly is.


I guess Hustler and Playboy are also banned.
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So you create an onerous hurtle to get books approved.
It’s a great way to ban most books.
This is good, because you don’t want children to be educated. You don’t want them to be critical or creative thinkers.
You want to exploit them, and hurt them.
Banning books is a useful tool.
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Schools are no place for porn.
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Anonymous wrote:So you create an onerous hurtle to get books approved.
It’s a great way to ban most books.
This is good, because you don’t want children to be educated. You don’t want them to be critical or creative thinkers.
You want to exploit them, and hurt them.
Banning books is a useful tool.


it's "hurdle"

thankfully dictionaries have not been banned!
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Anonymous wrote:^ A very fancy way of saying it is not the book that has been a staple of English classes for generations.


How does that make it ok to ban it?


For a variety of reasons, schools now only use authorized books. If a book isn't authorized, teachers don't (shouldn't) use it. You're saying that every single book that is not on the authorized list for a class/grade is banned. Mmkay...


“For a variety of reasons” is doing some heavy lifting here.
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Anonymous wrote:So you create an onerous hurtle to get books approved.
It’s a great way to ban most books.
This is good, because you don’t want children to be educated. You don’t want them to be critical or creative thinkers.
You want to exploit them, and hurt them.
Banning books is a useful tool.


it's "hurdle"

thankfully dictionaries have not been banned!

Depends on which version apparently.
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