Don't fly United

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize there were so many American and Delta employees on DCUM.

Anyone who takes a plane these days can relate to Dr Dao's story. United has brought this on themselves. I used to fly all the time on United and still have over 200k miles with them. I used to feel a good deal of loyalty towards them, but I am just done, done, done at this point.

pp here. I did too and never had a problem. Have they really gotten that bad?

FWIW, I've flown hundreds of thousands of miles over forty years and have never got bumped from a flight. I can't excuse what UAL did, but it seems to occur to no one in this 75 page thread that none of this would have happened if Dr. Dao had just GTFO the aircraft when asked to do so. What an attitude.

Let me guess, big flyer, you're a white male. Try flying while age 69 and Asian. He had no obligation to leave that flight. And people like you defending United are the problem...people who believe the "authority" is unquestionable. That's how we find our civil rights stripped away.

Yep, handsome, polite, charming white guy. You really ought to learn to read. I did not defend United, but you really need to GFYS for making this about race and civil rights. It's about getting bumped from a damn airline flight. The plane doesn't belong to you? You GTFO when asked.

So sick of the victimhood meme around here.

So sick of the white privilege around here. You just don't get it, do you? White people are treated differently in the US. Only white UMC males really fail to see that because they are never treated poorly. You think that it's because you're handsome, polite and charming. Guess what? Women and minorities can be attractive, polite and charming and still be treated poorly. It happens routinely every day.

White males are far less likely to have their rights and privileges whimsically stripped or be the loser in preferential treatment.

UAL violared company policy and confract of carriage laws. The CEO has admitted that the plane was nof oversold, that the plane was fully boarded and that the additional passengers were in fact employees using personal passes. Because the flight was full but not overbooked, no passengers should have been bumped. Because it was fully boardsd, the IDB rules do not apply. To bump passengers there would have to have been one of the conditions in effect where they could refuse passage to the passenger, but Dr. dao had not committed any of those infractions. And employees using personal passes fly space available and should never bump a paying customer. UAL has illegally assaulted a passenger (deceiving the Chicago Airport Security into forcefully and illegally deboarding a passenger without cause) and violated the passenger's rights. This doesn't happen to privileged white UMC males regardless of their behavior.

Go ahead keep making yourself look ignorant.

Different PP here. Makes me wonder (even more) about policy. Do you think other people who "barely do anything" but are escorted off are scapegoats for employees wanting to travel last minute? You hear/read so many stories.....

Maybe? It will probably halt ... for now... because of all the attention. But next time someone is escorted off, everyone will be paying attention to who gets on instead.

Seriously. No one should be getting on to grab their seat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll never fly united.

yes you will, this will soon pass and you'll succumb to the pressure of purchasing a low cost ticket.

Never again.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll never fly united.

yes you will, this will soon pass and you'll succumb to the pressure of purchasing a low cost ticket.

Never again.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll never fly united.

yes you will, this will soon pass and you'll succumb to the pressure of purchasing a low cost ticket.

Never again.

riiiiiiight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll never fly united.

yes you will, this will soon pass and you'll succumb to the pressure of purchasing a low cost ticket.

Never again.

riiiiiiight.

DP. And they still believe they were within the law. Lol. Shame on United.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll never fly united.

yes you will, this will soon pass and you'll succumb to the pressure of purchasing a low cost ticket.

+1,000,000,000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll never fly united.

yes you will, this will soon pass and you'll succumb to the pressure of purchasing a low cost ticket.

+1,000,000,000

Or will you re-accommodate my face?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, hardly belligerent. I could see myself doing the same thing, that does not warrant being bloodied up.

http://www.scarymommy.com/passenger-posts-video-before-david-dao-removed-united-flight/

He was on the phone with his lawyer seeking legal advice.

Sure he wasn't co-operative but he wasn't belligerent.

+1

As PP stated, United was caught with their pants down, thanks to the passengers' multiple videos. Dao was NOT belligerent, as United tried to say - he simply said he was not going, in a normal voice. Boy, how would you have loved to have seen the United CEO's face when he saw THAT video. They really have nothing on Dao, and Dao is going to get millions, because United has such poor judgment.

Funny, DH and I were talking about how we thought camera phones were silly and excessive, when they first came out years ago. Now, we are grateful! And so is Dao. In fact, I am grateful on his behalf.

Nothing like a lying bully getting their due.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, hardly belligerent. I could see myself doing the same thing, that does not warrant being bloodied up.

http://www.scarymommy.com/passenger-posts-video-before-david-dao-removed-united-flight/

He was on the phone with his lawyer seeking legal advice.

Sure he wasn't co-operative but he wasn't belligerent.

+1

As PP stated, United was caught with their pants down, thanks to the passengers' multiple videos. Dao was NOT belligerent, as United tried to say - he simply said he was not going, in a normal voice. Boy, how would you have loved to have seen the United CEO's face when he saw THAT video. They really have nothing on Dao, and Dao is going to get millions, because United has such poor judgment.

Funny, DH and I were talking about how we thought camera phones were silly and excessive, when they first came out years ago. Now, we are grateful! And so is Dao. In fact, I am grateful on his behalf.

Nothing like a lying bully getting their due.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Get a grip. Dao was in the wrong on all points, from a to zed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Get a grip. Dao was in the wrong on all points, from a to zed.

Bullshit. http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2017/04/united-airlines-own-contract-denied-it.html?m=1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize there were so many American and Delta employees on DCUM.

Anyone who takes a plane these days can relate to Dr Dao's story. United has brought this on themselves. I used to fly all the time on United and still have over 200k miles with them. I used to feel a good deal of loyalty towards them, but I am just done, done, done at this point.

pp here. I did too and never had a problem. Have they really gotten that bad?

FWIW, I've flown hundreds of thousands of miles over forty years and have never got bumped from a flight. I can't excuse what UAL did, but it seems to occur to no one in this 75 page thread that none of this would have happened if Dr. Dao had just GTFO the aircraft when asked to do so. What an attitude.

Let me guess, big flyer, you're a white male. Try flying while age 69 and Asian. He had no obligation to leave that flight. And people like you defending United are the problem...people who believe the "authority" is unquestionable. That's how we find our civil rights stripped away.

Yep, handsome, polite, charming white guy. You really ought to learn to read. I did not defend United, but you really need to GFYS for making this about race and civil rights. It's about getting bumped from a damn airline flight. The plane doesn't belong to you? You GTFO when asked.

So sick of the victimhood meme around here.

So sick of the white privilege around here. You just don't get it, do you? White people are treated differently in the US. Only white UMC males really fail to see that because they are never treated poorly. You think that it's because you're handsome, polite and charming. Guess what? Women and minorities can be attractive, polite and charming and still be treated poorly. It happens routinely every day.

White males are far less likely to have their rights and privileges whimsically stripped or be the loser in preferential treatment.

UAL violared company policy and confract of carriage laws. The CEO has admitted that the plane was nof oversold, that the plane was fully boarded and that the additional passengers were in fact employees using personal passes. Because the flight was full but not overbooked, no passengers should have been bumped. Because it was fully boardsd, the IDB rules do not apply. To bump passengers there would have to have been one of the conditions in effect where they could refuse passage to the passenger, but Dr. dao had not committed any of those infractions. And employees using personal passes fly space available and should never bump a paying customer. UAL has illegally assaulted a passenger (deceiving the Chicago Airport Security into forcefully and illegally deboarding a passenger without cause) and violated the passenger's rights. This doesn't happen to privileged white UMC males regardless of their behavior.

Go ahead keep making yourself look ignorant.

NP here. Pp, it is you that is making yourself look bad, playing a race card in favor of a guy who did not have a right to take the seat if asked to leave and who couldn't act any better than your average 3 year old. As for the reason they needed to get the employees to the next destination, it was legit, not a party but an emergency. Get a little less uppity about defending a person in the wrong just because you want to turn this into a BLM issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Get a grip. Dao was in the wrong on all points, from a to zed.

Bullshit. http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2017/04/united-airlines-own-contract-denied-it.html?m=1

Bullshit back at you, just read the comments to that article. Dao was not in flight and until you take off, you can be asked to go. The force used by police was reasonable given his Erratic behavior of noncooperation and running back on a plane once removed. The greater good issue was the the need to get the employees to the next destination for the greater good. I've been bumped while aleady seated, and I was ok with that and didn't turn into a dao nutjob, even though they offeted me a lot less than they offered dao!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize there were so many American and Delta employees on DCUM.

Anyone who takes a plane these days can relate to Dr Dao's story. United has brought this on themselves. I used to fly all the time on United and still have over 200k miles with them. I used to feel a good deal of loyalty towards them, but I am just done, done, done at this point.

pp here. I did too and never had a problem. Have they really gotten that bad?

FWIW, I've flown hundreds of thousands of miles over forty years and have never got bumped from a flight. I can't excuse what UAL did, but it seems to occur to no one in this 75 page thread that none of this would have happened if Dr. Dao had just GTFO the aircraft when asked to do so. What an attitude.

Let me guess, big flyer, you're a white male. Try flying while age 69 and Asian. He had no obligation to leave that flight. And people like you defending United are the problem...people who believe the "authority" is unquestionable. That's how we find our civil rights stripped away.

Yep, handsome, polite, charming white guy. You really ought to learn to read. I did not defend United, but you really need to GFYS for making this about race and civil rights. It's about getting bumped from a damn airline flight. The plane doesn't belong to you? You GTFO when asked.

So sick of the victimhood meme around here.

So sick of the white privilege around here. You just don't get it, do you? White people are treated differently in the US. Only white UMC males really fail to see that because they are never treated poorly. You think that it's because you're handsome, polite and charming. Guess what? Women and minorities can be attractive, polite and charming and still be treated poorly. It happens routinely every day.

White males are far less likely to have their rights and privileges whimsically stripped or be the loser in preferential treatment.

UAL violared company policy and confract of carriage laws. The CEO has admitted that the plane was nof oversold, that the plane was fully boarded and that the additional passengers were in fact employees using personal passes. Because the flight was full but not overbooked, no passengers should have been bumped. Because it was fully boardsd, the IDB rules do not apply. To bump passengers there would have to have been one of the conditions in effect where they could refuse passage to the passenger, but Dr. dao had not committed any of those infractions. And employees using personal passes fly space available and should never bump a paying customer. UAL has illegally assaulted a passenger (deceiving the Chicago Airport Security into forcefully and illegally deboarding a passenger without cause) and violated the passenger's rights. This doesn't happen to privileged white UMC males regardless of their behavior.

Go ahead keep making yourself look ignorant.

Np here. If you're ever in the situation of an airline saying they have to bump you, is there any way to know in advance that they are in compliance with company policy and carriage laws?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Supposedly United will be offering up to $10,000. per bumped passenger to avoid assaulting passengers in the future. This is to avoid getting the bumping rules changed by lawmakers (so United can claim they are "already" making changes). As if:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/04/14/delta_is_clear_it_wants_to_avoid_united_s_public_relations_fiasco.html

That's actually Delta making that policy change. Smart move.

1. This will come back to bite delta.
2. I would definitely fly United if all the people who believe Dao acted appropriately stop flying United.
3. I would never want a passenger who behaves like Dao in the seat next to me or on my plane.
4. Folks will be bahving worse than a toddler if they feel they can get money out of such behavior. It is now called a Dao move. So, if you want to pull a Dao, go for it, but not me. I don't have much pride, but I've got enough to not throw a public temper tantrum on a plane.