NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

[Anonymous]

When a car hits another car, it is a car crash.

When a car hits a bike, it is a bike crash.

These two things are not the same and are not counted the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When a car hits another car, it is a car crash.

When a car hits a bike, it is a bike crash.

These two things are not the same and are not counted the same.

No. When a car hits a bike it is both a bike crash AND a car crash. Logic does not seem a strong suit for boomers 2.0

[Anonymous]

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Please enlighten me. https://ggwash.org/view/79134/how-the-bike-crashes-shifted-out-of-downtown-dc-during-the-pandemic

Ward 2 has had an endemic of bike crashes while car crashes there are limited by the congestion.

Seriously? "Bike crashes" = drivers hit bicyclists.

But I agree that the streets are safer when driving speeds are slower.

If that was true then the numbers for bike and car crashes would be the same. They are not.

That's what "bike crash" means, whether you agree with the definition or not. There's a police crash report because a driver and a bicyclist collided. If I just happened to fall while bicycling, there wouldn't be a police crash report. The police do crash reports if

(1) a driver collided with something that isn't another car (for example, a tree, a lamp post, or a retaining wall)
(2) a driver collided with something that is another car
(3) a driver collided with a non-motorist (for example, a pedestrian, a bicyclist, or a person who uses a wheelchair)
(4) a bicyclist collided with a non-motorist (for example, a pedestrian, a bicyclist, or a person who uses a wheelchair)

If you want more information, you can look at the DC Open Data yourself. They're data, and they're open.

[Anonymous]

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Please enlighten me. https://ggwash.org/view/79134/how-the-bike-crashes-shifted-out-of-downtown-dc-during-the-pandemic

Ward 2 has had an endemic of bike crashes while car crashes there are limited by the congestion.

Seriously? "Bike crashes" = drivers hit bicyclists.

But I agree that the streets are safer when driving speeds are slower.

If that was true then the numbers for bike and car crashes would be the same. They are not.

That's what "bike crash" means, whether you agree with the definition or not. There's a police crash report because a driver and a bicyclist collided. If I just happened to fall while bicycling, there wouldn't be a police crash report. The police do crash reports if

(1) a driver collided with something that isn't another car (for example, a tree, a lamp post, or a retaining wall)
(2) a driver collided with something that is another car
(3) a driver collided with a non-motorist (for example, a pedestrian, a bicyclist, or a person who uses a wheelchair)
(4) a bicyclist collided with a non-motorist (for example, a pedestrian, a bicyclist, or a person who uses a wheelchair)

If you want more information, you can look at the DC Open Data yourself. They're data, and they're open.

When a car and bike hit each other it is both a bike crash and a car crash. This is not difficult to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

When a car and bike hit each other it is both a bike crash and a car crash. This is not difficult to understand.

You're basically arguing, like Humpty Dumpty, that words mean what you personally think they ought to mean. But that's not how it works.

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

-from Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When a car and bike hit each other it is both a bike crash and a car crash. This is not difficult to understand.

You're basically arguing, like Humpty Dumpty, that words mean what you personally think they ought to mean. But that's not how it works.

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

-from Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

No. In this case the words are pretty simple. A car crash involves a car. A bike crash involves a bike. If a bike and car collide it is both a car and a bike cash because both forms of transportation were involved. Ine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When a car and bike hit each other it is both a bike crash and a car crash. This is not difficult to understand.

You're basically arguing, like Humpty Dumpty, that words mean what you personally think they ought to mean. But that's not how it works.

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

-from Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

No. In this case the words are pretty simple. A car crash involves a car. A bike crash involves a bike. If a bike and car collide it is both a car and a bike cash because both forms of transportation were involved. Ine

Dude. You're just wrong. Admit it and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When a car and bike hit each other it is both a bike crash and a car crash. This is not difficult to understand.

You're basically arguing, like Humpty Dumpty, that words mean what you personally think they ought to mean. But that's not how it works.

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

-from Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

No. In this case the words are pretty simple. A car crash involves a car. A bike crash involves a bike. If a bike and car collide it is both a car and a bike cash because both forms of transportation were involved. Ine

Dude. You're just wrong. Admit it and move on.

Lol. You fail basic logic and you're harping on me? Typical boomer 2.0.

[Anonymous]

NPS: No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NPS: No.

Yeah, the day when the NPS gives a damn about parks mostly used by DC residents, well, it's not coming any time soon. I'm tempted to say when pigs fly.
There's graffiti on an asphalt pad in my local national park that has been there since the 60s. Big graffiti. For 60 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When a car and bike hit each other it is both a bike crash and a car crash. This is not difficult to understand.

You're basically arguing, like Humpty Dumpty, that words mean what you personally think they ought to mean. But that's not how it works.

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

-from Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

No. In this case the words are pretty simple. A car crash involves a car. A bike crash involves a bike. If a bike and car collide it is both a car and a bike cash because both forms of transportation were involved. Ine

Dude. You're just wrong. Admit it and move on.

Lol. You fail basic logic and you're harping on me? Typical boomer 2.0.

Sadly I don’t think it’s a Boomer but an annoying millennial.

Possible types of bike crashes:
1. Solo
2. Bike hits pedestrian
3. Bike hits property
4. Bike hits Bike
5. Car hits Bike

That’s it. That’s all the possibilities and ALL can be and would be classified as a “Bike Crash” if MPD and/or an ambulance is called. The call gets logged and classified.

[Anonymous]

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I'm not a boomer oh self-righteous millennial. Maybe you should stop texting while you walk, the insta can wait. I've lived downtown for half your life. Don't be a Portlandia sketch. There is a subset of bicyclists that refuse to follow traffic rules and consider pedestrians beneath them. Sure a car will cause more damage but the odds of a pedestrian being injured downtown by a bicyclist are far greater than being injured by a car. Here's a fun fact for you. Pedestrians are way more carbon neutral than bicyclists.

Bicyclists have killed how many pedestrians in DC in the last 10 years?

Drivers have killed how many pedestrians in DC in the last 10 years?

For others: "distracted walking" doesn't kill people, but distracted driving does.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590198220300294

It's really something to carry on about bicyclists ON A THREAD ABOUT TWO PEDESTRIANS KILLED BY A HIT-AND-RUN DRIVER.

The most common incidents of cyclists striking pedestrians is in multi-use trails like the CCT. However, they also do strike and kill pedestrians on the streets.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/woman-65-dies-after-being-hit-by-bicycle-in-downtown-dc/2017/03/10/326d83b2-05ff-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.53ef9274973f

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When a car and bike hit each other it is both a bike crash and a car crash. This is not difficult to understand.

You're basically arguing, like Humpty Dumpty, that words mean what you personally think they ought to mean. But that's not how it works.

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

-from Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

No. In this case the words are pretty simple. A car crash involves a car. A bike crash involves a bike. If a bike and car collide it is both a car and a bike cash because both forms of transportation were involved. Ine

Dude. You're just wrong. Admit it and move on.

Lol. You fail basic logic and you're harping on me? Typical boomer 2.0.

Sadly I don’t think it’s a Boomer but an annoying millennial.

Possible types of bike crashes:
1. Solo
2. Bike hits pedestrian
3. Bike hits property
4. Bike hits Bike
5. Car hits Bike

That’s it. That’s all the possibilities and ALL can be and would be classified as a “Bike Crash” if MPD and/or an ambulance is called. The call gets logged and classified.

Please provide some examples of crash types #1-4 in the DC Open Data. People are calling the MPD for a crash report when someone falls off their bike, really?

[Anonymous]

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The most common incidents of cyclists striking pedestrians is in multi-use trails like the CCT. However, they also do strike and kill pedestrians on the streets.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/woman-65-dies-after-being-hit-by-bicycle-in-downtown-dc/2017/03/10/326d83b2-05ff-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.53ef9274973f

Yeah, it doesn't NEVER happen, but it's very rare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The most common incidents of cyclists striking pedestrians is in multi-use trails like the CCT. However, they also do strike and kill pedestrians on the streets.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/woman-65-dies-after-being-hit-by-bicycle-in-downtown-dc/2017/03/10/326d83b2-05ff-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.53ef9274973f

Yeah, it doesn't NEVER happen, but it's very rare.

Cyclists being killed by cars is also a rare event and yet cyclists are very aggressive about highlighting every one. It is telling that they also downplay their role in pedestrian deaths. Like for example, when a cyclist killed a woman on four mile run cyclists thought an important detail was what type of bike they were riding.
https://www.arlnow.com/2012/06/11/woman-seriously-injured-after-being-hit-by-cyclist/

It’s also almost 100% that when cyclists hit pedestrians they claim it’s the pedestrian’s fault. But when cars hit cyclists, it’s never the cyclists fault even if the same reasoning holds. Eg cyclists hate car horns but think it’s cool and appropriate to yell at, honk horns or ring bells at pedestrians which startles them. If they then hit the pedestrian it’s the pedestrians fault. But if a car horn startles a cyclists, well... cyclists have lobbied to make this illegal in many jurisdictions.

Cyclists expect everyone to kowtow to them and never take responsibility.