The Talk put on hiatus thanks to Sharon Osbourne

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Anonymous wrote:Best part about this whole thing is, if you grow up in a racist system so it's ingrained in you, but you're doing your best... you make one single racial microagression in public and your entire life is over.

But walk all over women, put them down, physically assault them, and nobody cares. We are so hyper focused on race, we can't even see the damage we are doing to women (white and Black alike) with the misogyny that is part of the movement.

Actually racism is rooted in feminism all the way back to the suffrage movement. I don't see women getting cancelled who have made a mistake wrt race, but are trying to genuinely learn. Both Marie Forleo and Brooke Castillo made stupid mistakes about race in their community, but showed a commitment to learning and doing better. While they might have been cancelled by a few, they haven't suffered any great loss as far as I can tell.

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Anonymous wrote:If you criticize a black person it’s racist.

If a black personality makes anti-Semitic comments, it’s not racist (Cannon).

Umm...wasn’t he fired from EVERYTHING and labeled a racist. What else are you looking for??

No, he quit and has never been labeled a racist except by The Talk.

He was fired from multiple jobs. Hasn’t been heard from in months. Who exactly are you looking for to label him? You labeled him a racist. The View labeled him. Comments on Twitter labeled him.

I did NOT label him a racist, just an a-hole. You can’t call someone a racist without proof.

All Sheryl could say is it was his “tone”. That’s not racism.

By a show of hands, how many black women have been accused of something, even disciplined for it, based on your tone?

This happens to white women too. I'm not going to make it a battle of who has it worse because obviously racism is a pernicious disease that permeates everything, but so is sexism and misogyny, which apparently are totally cool these days.

I agree with you. I think plenty of people take issue when they see those things as well. It's been my experience that it's much easier for white women to understand and relate to those issues than to issues of race. The thing with all of these issues is that you can't know what's in someone's heart. We instead have to look at the effects of what they do.

He has a history of illogical rage and diatribes directed at women, but particularly women of color. Is it racism? Is it misogyny? Could it be both? Sure. Is it problematic and painful for some people to be subjected to him? Probably. Should he be in a position of power where women are subject to his behaviors hold? No. Should his employer have the right to say your behavior doesn't represent us well, you're fired? Yep.

Should Sharon have been so quick to dismiss his problematic behavior, have a meltdown on national TV, and thoroughly embarrass herself and her employer? Probably not. Did they set her up for this? That's absolutely possible and is really sh#tty if they did.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

He was given a choice: apologize on air, quit or be fired. He was NOT made this offer due to racism. It was for calling her a liar about her depression/suicide claims. That network has invested a lot in promoting mental health the last few years.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

He was given a choice: apologize on air, quit or be fired. He was NOT made this offer due to racism. It was for calling her a liar about her depression/suicide claims. That network has invested a lot in promoting mental health the last few years.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

I disagree. Who’s to decide where to draw the fine line between offensive and hurtful to downright racist. Who can do this? Is there an objective way to measure this?

The person who fired him, in this case. I would venture to guess they have better information than all of us around the entire issue.

To answer your second question, no. There is no objective measure of racism. Like there is no objective measure of sexism. It happens. We know that. It can be hard to identify. History has often taken the side of the victimizer over the victim. Maybe it's okay to try something new?

Maybe we can try something new, sure. But we also need to look at each individual claim separately, and with all claims of sexism, racism, agism, there are going to be people who are wrongly accused. We can’t assume because the majority agrees that something is racist or sexist, that it actually is. This is entering into slippery slope territory and if we are going down this path, we must ALL be held to the same standards.

Slippery slope is a logical fallacy, not a real thing.

It's far more harmful to err on the side of questioning victims than it is to err on the side of believing them. Research has shown that the rate of people being falsely accused is actually quite small. So small that it makes very little sense for us it to be the first concern when a victim comes forward, even though it always is.

I'm black. I've encountered racism my entire life. I've never made any formal accusations of racism. The same goes for victims of sexism, agism, and ever other victimized population. Specifically because as soon as you do people are screeching for proof, trying to prove you wrong. The reality is that most instances go unreported, and the ones that are reported? Those people felt strongly enough about it that they were willing to deal with all the crap that inevitably comes with stepping forward.

So generally, if someone makes a complaint of racism? They legitimately feel they have been a victim of racism, so strongly that they are willing to risk themselves and their peace to say so. Stop bending over backwards to ensure no one is ever falsely accused of racism, and think about all the racism that goes on and no one says or does anything about it.

I don’t believe Meghan has claimed Piers to be racist. In this instance, she should be the one to claim it and only her. If Sheryl believes Piers was racist towards gherself, she can make that claim and give details to the incident. She didn’t do that.v

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

Reading top down, rude of you!

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

Reading top down, rude of you!

Lol okay snowflake.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

Reading top down, rude of you!

Lol okay snowflake.

And racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

Reading top down, rude of you!

Lol okay snowflake.

And racist.

I just found your "rude" comment rich given the context of the thread. Snowflake is about your special little sensitive feelings. Not you being white. But be careful how you use that term, wouldn't want to cheapen it. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

Reading top down, rude of you!

Lol okay snowflake.

And racist.

I just found your "rude" comment rich given the context of the thread. Snowflake is about your special little sensitive feelings. Not you being white. But be careful how you use that term, wouldn't want to cheapen it. 🙄

Then you should know based on the thread, YOU don’t get to decide if your comments are racist, I do.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

Reading top down, rude of you!

Lol okay snowflake.

And racist.

I just found your "rude" comment rich given the context of the thread. Snowflake is about your special little sensitive feelings. Not you being white. But be careful how you use that term, wouldn't want to cheapen it. 🙄

Then you should know based on the thread, YOU don’t get to decide if your comments are racist, I do.

Yep. And you better not read about weather or be in the area during winter.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

Well it seems like, in this situation their employers get to decide for themselves, and the burden of proof was met for them. So, conversation over? Or do we also need your approval, despite your inability to specify what counts as the proof you continue to demand.

What would be sufficient proof? Can someone please explain? If you're going to require proof, can you at least tell us what would be proof enough for you?

It's gaslighting and goalposts moving. There is never enough proof.

We all watched a video of a man sitting on another man's neck while he slowly suffocated him to death for no apparent reason. But he didn't call him the N-word, so no racism, I guess.

Piers has been on air for YEARS. And no one can find one racist comment?

Someone provided your proof, pages back. Keep up.

Reading top down, rude of you!

Lol okay snowflake.

And racist.

I just found your "rude" comment rich given the context of the thread. Snowflake is about your special little sensitive feelings. Not you being white. But be careful how you use that term, wouldn't want to cheapen it. 🙄

Then you should know based on the thread, YOU don’t get to decide if your comments are racist, I do.

Lol okay crazy. 👌

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Anonymous wrote:This is the conversation that got her in deep shit -- really...blowing up your career over Piers Morgan

She asked for an example of him saying racists stuff. I didn’t hear any examples....

So no example, then blame Sharon. Wow

Maybe instead of Osborn yelling at her coworker who was trying to talk to her maybe instead of screaming at her coworker who was speaking calmly and respectfully to her maybe instead of blowing up at a coworker was trying to speak for her character and have a respectful intelligent conversation instead of telling your coworker she had no right to cry as if she’s not human maybe if she had not showed all of her entire A** on TV they would NOT be in the position they are in now.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

DP. You are absurd. People are allowed to dislike other people - even you, even POC. It sounds like your saying the only possible reason someone might not like you (or any POC) is due to your race. Have you ever entertained that thought??