Dating a Red Piller

[Anonymous]

I love science-minded females who are so much more rational than women who read news, are culturally literate, and are advising OP - correctly - to just ghost a misogynist she’s known for under 3 months.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189

We’re done here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman that casually refers to women as females. Old military habit. Science-minded women do the same from time to time.

I don't really understand what red pill is I suppose, because it doesn't seem like a big deal to me- if you aren't thinking in extreme terms.

OP, what is it specifically he does that bothers you? I would base my judgement on him and his behaviors--not on what you think/know about red pill. You don't really know what his beliefs are. Maybe just ask him.

Well, they don't believe in "science minded" females and think you should have been barred from the military due to your inferior strength and physique, taking away a place from a man who would do a better job than you. So maybe start there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love science-minded females who are so much more rational than women who read news, are culturally literate, and are advising OP - correctly - to just ghost a misogynist she’s known for under 3 months.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189

We’re done here.

They're also ignoring that he's into MGTOW stuff which is...not good.

Like other manosphere communities, the MGTOW community overlaps with the alt-right and white supremacist movements, and it has been implicated in online harassment of women.[4] The Southern Poverty Law Center categorizes MGTOW as a part of the male supremacist ideology, a category they began tracking on their hate group tracking project, Hate Map, in 2018.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

Sorry fellas, your clubs aren't secret and we don't want to be around guys who hate us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woman here, I have read some websites for MGTOW/red pill because I thought the idea was interesting, I wanted to know what it was about. Some of the ideas I agreed with and some I thought were extreme.

I completely agree with the guy moving the furniture. What I read from the websites was the same idea. They didn't want more friends, they have friends, what they wanted was a romantic/sexual relationship so in their mind, why would they move a females furniture if she isn't interested in them. Today we are fighting for equality so in their mind, the female can pay movers or get family to help. The female is using her looks to use these males and they are simply saying enough and I think that is fair enough.

They talk about hypergamy - marrying or sleeping someone of a superior background. Their idea from what I read is that most women want to marry a successful man and lets face it, look at this forum, its true. So many posts about getting a rich husband, successful husband. Their opinion seems to be that even if a woman herself isn't successful she still expects her boyfriend/husband to be successful, so where is the personal responsibility of the female.

They feel unappreciated in society and talk about the fact that men have built societies, they are the inventors, have built the infrastructure etc. I agree with that but women have created the people to be that society it's built for.

What I do agree with is that a lot of it was simply making their own lives better, doing what they want and not letting a female come along and distract them from that. A lot of them seemed to be there after a really messy divorce and they had terrible stories of how they were treated and left destitute. I think in part some of the ideas are simply to protect themselves so it doesn't happen again. I have seen male friends end a marriage like this so agree in putting those boundaries in place.

I also saw that some of the extreme ideas did show a hatred toward feminism and females and extreme misogyny such as I read one reply that wanted life to go back to where women couldn't vote or work however we also have radical feminists so I guess it evens out. They seem to have a thing with the fact that females sleep around now however this is something women have been putting up with from men for centauries so well I don't have much sympathy on that one.

I am sure this is a basic view, I couldn't be bothered spending too much time on it. I think females are viewed as being innocent in nature when in actual fact a lot aren't and there is a lot of toxic behaviour in females, for some reason society isn't ready to acknowledge that.

BS, there are tons of women who have invented things.

[Anonymous]

It's also funny how unaccomplished men are begging for appreciation because of what other men have done. If you want appreciation go DO something. We tell that to every SAHM who dares to complain about anything, and we would flame a woman who stayed home but wanted more respect because other women are accomplished. She would be considered insane.

[Anonymous]

OP: can you repost some of his social media writings that are concerning you? I’d be interested to see the degree to what he’s saying.

That said, anyone who public posts this stuff is probably posting the sanitized version for public consumption. My guess would be that his true views are more extreme when he’s posting anonymously on Reddit, 4Chan, or 8chan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman here, I have read some websites for MGTOW/red pill because I thought the idea was interesting, I wanted to know what it was about. Some of the ideas I agreed with and some I thought were extreme.

I completely agree with the guy moving the furniture. What I read from the websites was the same idea. They didn't want more friends, they have friends, what they wanted was a romantic/sexual relationship so in their mind, why would they move a females furniture if she isn't interested in them. Today we are fighting for equality so in their mind, the female can pay movers or get family to help. The female is using her looks to use these males and they are simply saying enough and I think that is fair enough.

They talk about hypergamy - marrying or sleeping someone of a superior background. Their idea from what I read is that most women want to marry a successful man and lets face it, look at this forum, its true. So many posts about getting a rich husband, successful husband. Their opinion seems to be that even if a woman herself isn't successful she still expects her boyfriend/husband to be successful, so where is the personal responsibility of the female.

They feel unappreciated in society and talk about the fact that men have built societies, they are the inventors, have built the infrastructure etc. I agree with that but women have created the people to be that society it's built for.

What I do agree with is that a lot of it was simply making their own lives better, doing what they want and not letting a female come along and distract them from that. A lot of them seemed to be there after a really messy divorce and they had terrible stories of how they were treated and left destitute. I think in part some of the ideas are simply to protect themselves so it doesn't happen again. I have seen male friends end a marriage like this so agree in putting those boundaries in place.

I also saw that some of the extreme ideas did show a hatred toward feminism and females and extreme misogyny such as I read one reply that wanted life to go back to where women couldn't vote or work however we also have radical feminists so I guess it evens out. They seem to have a thing with the fact that females sleep around now however this is something women have been putting up with from men for centauries so well I don't have much sympathy on that one.

I am sure this is a basic view, I couldn't be bothered spending too much time on it. I think females are viewed as being innocent in nature when in actual fact a lot aren't and there is a lot of toxic behaviour in females, for some reason society isn't ready to acknowledge that.

You pass for being a woman who was casually interested in redpill about as well as my toaster passes as being a human. "Females" is not a word women use to describe women. The idea that society doesn't acknowledge that women can be awful is not something anyone who isn't deeply steeped in this stuff could say without laughing. Obviously, women can be awful. Obviously, if your only interest in someone is sleeping with them, you should not pretend to be their friend. Really, for their sake as much as for yours - the idea that the only person getting hurt when you pretend to be her friend is you is so lacking in empathy. Alimony is barely a thing, so the money your "friends" are paying after a divorce is going to support their kids - but hey, you're certainly free next time to partner with someone who makes a more similar income to you. It might mean making certain other trade-offs that you aren't interested in making - or are we only interrogating the romantic choices that women make here?

Oh, but you think the guys who believe women (sorry, "females") shouldn't vote are too extreme? Whoah, how moderate and reasonable of you.

I have no dog in this fight but alimony is most definitely a thing.

[Anonymous]

I just googled red pill and dating and it came up with a piece on red pill advice for dating. Basically said be confident, smile a lot, use her name frequently in conversation, be polite but not needy, when giving a compliment only give sincere ones. As the relationship progresses don’t lead with your wallet to avoid creating a transactional relationship etc.

This stuff sounds like good advice for young men. Obviously I’m sure there’s anti women stuff out there but it does appear there’s a benign self-help aspect to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woman here, I have read some websites for MGTOW/red pill because I thought the idea was interesting, I wanted to know what it was about. Some of the ideas I agreed with and some I thought were extreme.

I completely agree with the guy moving the furniture. What I read from the websites was the same idea. They didn't want more friends, they have friends, what they wanted was a romantic/sexual relationship so in their mind, why would they move a females furniture if she isn't interested in them. Today we are fighting for equality so in their mind, the female can pay movers or get family to help. The female is using her looks to use these males and they are simply saying enough and I think that is fair enough.

They talk about hypergamy - marrying or sleeping someone of a superior background. Their idea from what I read is that most women want to marry a successful man and lets face it, look at this forum, its true. So many posts about getting a rich husband, successful husband. Their opinion seems to be that even if a woman herself isn't successful she still expects her boyfriend/husband to be successful, so where is the personal responsibility of the female.

They feel unappreciated in society and talk about the fact that men have built societies, they are the inventors, have built the infrastructure etc. I agree with that but women have created the people to be that society it's built for.

What I do agree with is that a lot of it was simply making their own lives better, doing what they want and not letting a female come along and distract them from that. A lot of them seemed to be there after a really messy divorce and they had terrible stories of how they were treated and left destitute. I think in part some of the ideas are simply to protect themselves so it doesn't happen again. I have seen male friends end a marriage like this so agree in putting those boundaries in place.

I also saw that some of the extreme ideas did show a hatred toward feminism and females and extreme misogyny such as I read one reply that wanted life to go back to where women couldn't vote or work however we also have radical feminists so I guess it evens out. They seem to have a thing with the fact that females sleep around now however this is something women have been putting up with from men for centauries so well I don't have much sympathy on that one.

I am sure this is a basic view, I couldn't be bothered spending too much time on it. I think females are viewed as being innocent in nature when in actual fact a lot aren't and there is a lot of toxic behaviour in females, for some reason society isn't ready to acknowledge that.

You pass for being a woman who was casually interested in redpill about as well as my toaster passes as being a human. "Females" is not a word women use to describe women. The idea that society doesn't acknowledge that women can be awful is not something anyone who isn't deeply steeped in this stuff could say without laughing. Obviously, women can be awful. Obviously, if your only interest in someone is sleeping with them, you should not pretend to be their friend. Really, for their sake as much as for yours - the idea that the only person getting hurt when you pretend to be her friend is you is so lacking in empathy. Alimony is barely a thing, so the money your "friends" are paying after a divorce is going to support their kids - but hey, you're certainly free next time to partner with someone who makes a more similar income to you. It might mean making certain other trade-offs that you aren't interested in making - or are we only interrogating the romantic choices that women make here?

Oh, but you think the guys who believe women (sorry, "females") shouldn't vote are too extreme? Whoah, how moderate and reasonable of you.

I have no dog in this fight but alimony is most definitely a thing.

About one in ten divorces result in alimony. Most of that is not extended. Women are more likely to be impoverished post-divorce than men. Alimony is a thing, but "men being left destitute" to pay for their ex's lifestyle is a thing in a way that "being hit by lightning" is a thing.

[Anonymous]

"Red Pill" ideas spread because there is just enough truth mixed in with the toxic bullshit -- particularly because it seizes upon unpleasant, minimized, or generally unacknowledged truths that make it seem like "Red Pill" is telling you the *real* story.

Assholes sometimes win. Nice guys frequently finish last. Women often (especially in the formative teen years) have the upper hand with respect to dating and, particularly, sex.

They take elements of truth and mix it with a bunch of bullshit to try to sell guys on the idea that they have to be Chad Thundercock to get laid and women are all terrible for wanting to have sex with guys like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just googled red pill and dating and it came up with a piece on red pill advice for dating. Basically said be confident, smile a lot, use her name frequently in conversation, be polite but not needy, when giving a compliment only give sincere ones. As the relationship progresses don’t lead with your wallet to avoid creating a transactional relationship etc.

This stuff sounds like good advice for young men. Obviously I’m sure there’s anti women stuff out there but it does appear there’s a benign self-help aspect to it.

There's nothing wrong with that advice, but a lot of these guys are just wanting to get laid easily and not be in a relationship. Which is fine if they're honest about it from the start. But many of them are just trying to up their numbers until they can find their unicorn -- a younger woman who has had few or no sex partners, who won't give them much sh1t, who isn't liberal, who wants to SAHM, who is "nurturing," who lets him run the show. Oh, but somehow this woman must also have the sex drive of a nympho and do whatever freaky sh1t he demands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

think a lot of young men read this stuff but a much smaller percentage are hardcore.

I’d always been friend zoned by women and always the reliable guy they could lean on and tell me about their breakups. In reading on how I could up my game I stumbled on this red pill stuff and, while I still have the same high level of respect for women, my approach is entirely different.

For example, I play the field more with women rather than ditching them all when one woman acts like she likes me. I’d been burned on that before when we break up and I’ve burned bridges.

Also, I don’t engage in chatty text messages, I let my intention be known in a nice way. I set a date and make the date. I don’t emote all of my feelings. I no longer text chat all day while I’m working. If I feel I’m not appreciated I don’t keep giving of myself. I used to be the guy several beautiful women would ask to move their furniture after they got railed by some guy who wasn’t in my opinion as good as me.

In other words reading this stuff has made me realize my self worth.

I don’t think the people who say dump this guy actually have read the stuff. Or they have only read extreme women hating stuff.

This doesn't sound like red pill. It sounds like establishing your boundaries. when i was dating, I did many of the same things (I'm a woman). Dont fall for someone right away, assume they are dating others, dont engage in stupid endless texting, just meet and either pursue if there's chemistry or nicely end it.

"I used to be the guy several beautiful women would ask to move their furniture after they got railed by some guy who wasn’t in my opinion as good as me" sounds exactly like red pill. "I did favors for women I wanted to sleep with. I wasn't honest about my intentions with them, and I hoped they'd be interested in me even as they clearly were interested in other men instead" would be a normal, healthy way of talking about this.

In this scenario the question could also be asked why these women think it's ok to ask someone to move furniture for free? I would only ask my best friends to do that. If these women are beautiful they know it, and they know they can use their looks to get things for free. My wife is conventionally attractive and I see her play this game. She's so used to doing it she still does it even though she's married.

Of course it's okay to ask someone to help you move furniture, WTF. Moving furniture isn't a prelude to sex because most women don't view sex as transactional. If you only agreed to move furniture because you thought you would get sex, the problem is you. Develop healthier boundaries and clear communication.

[Anonymous]

Men think they have the corner on this.
When I was younger, I was the girl the “Chad’s” would ask to dog sit while they go on vacation with hot new girlfriend. Never interested in me. But I never deluded myself into thinking I could date a “Chad”. I’m smart, athletic... but plain Jane (look a lot like Melissa Gilbert). I didn’t watch their dog in the hopes of getting a date. I did it because I was their friend.
So yes, when I asked for help moving, it would never cross my mind that a male friend thought I owed him sex. Usually they would get pizza and beer. And I also helped them move on more than one occasion.
I remember one of the guys in my dorm, he expected to marry a really hot woman and she would have to be extremely fit. It was funny that he had this idea when he was a good 50 pounds overweight.
I did have two guys that wanted to date me that I friend-zoned. Both were really nice guys that would have made great partners. I worked with one. There was chemistry, but work and romance don’t mix. The other, there was no chemistry in my opinion, and the more he hit on me, the less chance there would be.

[Anonymous]

They always whine about how bad it is to be "friend zoned" but they don't realize how bad it is to be "sex zoned".

So this guy who I thought was my friend was just faking it because he wanted to sleep with me? Ouch. That sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They always whine about how bad it is to be "friend zoned" but they don't realize how bad it is to be "sex zoned".

So this guy who I thought was my friend was just faking it because he wanted to sleep with me? Ouch. That sucks.

See, as a dude, that sounds *amazing.* I know the reality would be different. But, there was a comic a long time ago who did a bit about how a woman's bare minimum standard for a date exceeds a man's wildest expectation. "She's going to pay for everything and get me drunk so she can get into my pants?!?"