Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

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That may begin to change very soon when we have our first asian american vice president!

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Anonymous wrote:the change will be for yale and harvard to stop looking at test scores rather then change their admission mission of seeking diversity in race and gender and talent and geography, etc.

Harvard just won essentially the same lawsuit

It doesn't signify. The judge was an Obama appointee so everyone knew how it was going to come out. The case is now before the first circuit, which, being liberal, will probably affirm. Then on to SCOTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:Then on to SCOTUS.

you mean the court where Harvard and Yale have a quorum?

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As far as I am aware, not only did the Asian lawsuits use test scores, IT ALSO used soft skills to prove that Asian-Americans were discriminated against. Many of these kids are musicians and artists. There are less athletes but it is not nil. We have Asian-American friends who have had to prove themselves 3x over purely because of their race. I am so tired to claim Americans of Asian ethnicity lack soft skills when I see plenty who prove otherwise.

+1 this is true. Plenty of Asian Americans who have great e.c. and top scores get denied. If a URM person had the same exact transcript/application, that person would get in.

The problem is that they are competing against themselves as a group rather than against ALL applicants.

As my white DH says, Asian Americans are victims of their own success.

No, Asian Americans are victims of racial discrimination due to their inadequate political clout.

PP here.. I'm Asian American.

I don't think they are discrimianted because they are of Asian heritage. The problem is that these institutions want a diverse student body. I don't think that's a bad thing. We chose a school cluster in part because of the diversity. I think it's a laudable goal.

Unfortunately, there are just a lot of really qualified Asian American students. Many of these students don't have legacy or sports as their "hook". They only have their brains and hard work, and many are not from really wealthy families.

The group is indeed a victim of their own success, unfortunately. Is there some discrimination against them purely because of their "race"? There certainly could be some in the admissions office who are indeed racist. For example, I read an article about how some in the admissions office would mark the Asian American applicants as not having good "people skills" or whatever label they use even though they had ever met the application, but the person who interviewed the applicant stated on the feedback that the applicant did have those skills.

I don't know if this type of thing is systemic or it was just a few bad apples. But, I do think that these institutions have a right to achieve a diverse student body.

Having stated that, however, I think that in order to achieve this, they really should get rid of legacies. I know why they admit legacies, but if they truly want a diverse student body and care about the purety of their admissions, then they should get rid of legacies. IMO, they are trying to play two games at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:Then on to SCOTUS.

you mean the court where Harvard and Yale have a quorum?

Yes but many of them are white male.

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You know.. this would mean a lot more with respect to these elite insitutions if they did not use hooks like athletes and legacies. But, they don't, so it makes this graphic condescending.

If they want to apply that to every applicant, then fine. But, unless they get rid of these hooks, then this graphic is just crap.

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Anonymous wrote:That may begin to change very soon when we have our first asian american vice president!

She doesn’t identify herself as Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:That may begin to change very soon when we have our first asian american vice president!

She doesn’t identify herself as Asian.

she speaks of her indian mom and says her mom understood that they would be treated as african american girls but she describes herself as the child of an indian born mom and a jamaican born dad.

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As far as I am aware, not only did the Asian lawsuits use test scores, IT ALSO used soft skills to prove that Asian-Americans were discriminated against. Many of these kids are musicians and artists. There are less athletes but it is not nil. We have Asian-American friends who have had to prove themselves 3x over purely because of their race. I am so tired to claim Americans of Asian ethnicity lack soft skills when I see plenty who prove otherwise.

+1 this is true. Plenty of Asian Americans who have great e.c. and top scores get denied. If a URM person had the same exact transcript/application, that person would get in.

The problem is that they are competing against themselves as a group rather than against ALL applicants.

As my white DH says, Asian Americans are victims of their own success.

No, Asian Americans are victims of racial discrimination due to their inadequate political clout.

PP here.. I'm Asian American.

I don't think they are discrimianted because they are of Asian heritage. The problem is that these institutions want a diverse student body. I don't think that's a bad thing. We chose a school cluster in part because of the diversity. I think it's a laudable goal.

Unfortunately, there are just a lot of really qualified Asian American students. Many of these students don't have legacy or sports as their "hook". They only have their brains and hard work, and many are not from really wealthy families.

The group is indeed a victim of their own success, unfortunately. Is there some discrimination against them purely because of their "race"? There certainly could be some in the admissions office who are indeed racist. For example, I read an article about how some in the admissions office would mark the Asian American applicants as not having good "people skills" or whatever label they use even though they had ever met the application, but the person who interviewed the applicant stated on the feedback that the applicant did have those skills.

I don't know if this type of thing is systemic or it was just a few bad apples. But, I do think that these institutions have a right to achieve a diverse student body.

Having stated that, however, I think that in order to achieve this, they really should get rid of legacies. I know why they admit legacies, but if they truly want a diverse student body and care about the purety of their admissions, then they should get rid of legacies. IMO, they are trying to play two games at the same time.

Aside from legacy and athletic recruitment etc., they have to abolish affirmative action for only blacks and Hispanics and replace it with boost for lower ses students of all races but blacks do not want that and Asians do not have the sufficient political influence to force that.

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at least she did that in some of the media i have watched.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still fascinated that some Asians find comfort in having white supremacists on their side on college admissions. Luckily most of us understand that those who don't want African-Americans in elite colleges would be happy to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act.

+1. They're just using Asian-Americans here.

Asian American kids are discriminated in college admissions - it is fact.

Lol: You get that saying “it is fact” (sic) doesn’t make it one, right? So the least you could do is throw in some supporting data or something.
Also, showing that there are students with great grades, nice extra curricular activities, and wonderful test scores who don’t get accepted by Yale, or wherever, isn’t saying anything since there are a lot of Valedictorians with good scores who apply.

OP — you’re making a great point.

My guess is that Yale is thrilled to get more students like Maya Lin — who are brilliant, creative individuals, and somewhat less thrilled to get students of any background who don’t stand out from the crowd of hardworking valedictorians who write essays about their over supervised community service projects.

Talk about racist stereotypes. I’m surprised you didn’t work in the term “Tiger Mom.” This is exactly the type of racist stereotypes that are used against Asians in admissions. “Over supervised,” “not creative,” “no personality.” The fact that you describe Maya Lin as an outlier only makes it worse.

Nope. I am talking about the kinds of students of any background that Yale seeks out — not at all about Asians. I’m making the point that Yale accepts individuals — not the packages that many student from many backgrounds have carefully cultivated.
So: whatever. You probably think that the Bakke decision was a good one. There are reasons the White supremacists are supporting this one.

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Anonymous wrote:That may begin to change very soon when we have our first asian american vice president!

She doesn’t identify herself as Asian.

she speaks of her indian mom and says her mom understood that they would be treated as african american girls but she describes herself as the child of an indian born mom and a jamaican born dad.

And 99% of news articles and media coverage refer to her as black or African American which is misleading and the reason Why some people call them fake news.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still fascinated that some Asians find comfort in having white supremacists on their side on college admissions. Luckily most of us understand that those who don't want African-Americans in elite colleges would be happy to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act.

+1. They're just using Asian-Americans here.

Asian American kids are discriminated in college admissions - it is fact.

Lol: You get that saying “it is fact” (sic) doesn’t make it one, right? So the least you could do is throw in some supporting data or something.
Also, showing that there are students with great grades, nice extra curricular activities, and wonderful test scores who don’t get accepted by Yale, or wherever, isn’t saying anything since there are a lot of Valedictorians with good scores who apply.

OP — you’re making a great point.

My guess is that Yale is thrilled to get more students like Maya Lin — who are brilliant, creative individuals, and somewhat less thrilled to get students of any background who don’t stand out from the crowd of hardworking valedictorians who write essays about their over supervised community service projects.

I can't believe that anyone still believes that Asians aren't discriminated against in the admissions process. Can you imagine the outrage if AA applicants had to score significantly higher on the SAT than everyone else? They would go insane! You must be a justice warrior type to be in such denial.

The important thing here is that test scores aren’t the important thing.

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Stop pointing the finger at minorities. Legacies are the ones you should be concerned about. Legacies and friends/relatives of big donors are a huge population in the Ivy League.

What some people don't understand is that as long as you meet the minimum requirements, then you are qualified to get in. It's not about choosing the top scores/GPAs. We can all agree that colleges want a diverse population so once a student meets the minimum score/GPA qualification, they are evaluated on other criteria.

An asian getting a 1600 on the SAT has the same chance as another minority getting a 1400. They both meet the guidelines and then it's on to other criteria. However, they don't even look at the scores for some legacies and friends of top donors.