Admitting you are Asian (college apps)

[Anonymous]

OP, you can see how being Asian Am. is a strike against your child when it comes to some college admissions.

The only way around this is:
1. apply to a university that has low Asian Am. numbers
2. your kid has to bust his/her a$$ to not only get stellar grades/scores, but also have amazing e.c., solve world hunger, and cure cancer.

The other option is to choose a good state university that doesn't look at race. This is what I'm telling my kids to do.

My half Asian children are smart, in a magnet program, and they do have e.c.; one loves performing arts. Even so, their background is a strike against them when applying to certain universities.

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Would you be okay with job applicants of certain racial backgrounds being less likely to get jobs than equally qualified candidates of different backgrounds because the company desires diverse employees? I'm not necessarily arguing against what you're saying. Just curious.

Not the PP, but yes, I would be comfortable with the following: Two equally qualified candidates, one of whom is demographically similar to existing staff, and one of whom represents an identity not currently represented. The latter gets the job on the basis of bringing a new perspective, which can only be good for business.

To be more concrete, let’s say 1 is a Jew and 1 Indian American (or Black, or Hispanic...) Because 2% Jews are are already over represented at Harvard, you would pick against the Jewish student.

If all else is equal, then yes, you should choose the one from the underrepresented group. Was this question supposed to be some kind of a gotcha? -a Jewish person

Who said “all else being equal?” The H lawsuit presupposes Asians with superior stats.

Stats aren’t everything. That’s the thing. And where the Tiger mommies go wrong.

Stats aren’t everything cuz it’s “holistic.” That’s where H goes wrong. All their URM grads are holding less than perfect sheepskin cuz stats aren’t everything. It’s “holistic” where the society at large evaluate their URM graduates who can’t perform as well as UCLA or UC Berkeley grads.

Well, your behavior in this thread and the demonstration of the poor way in which you think is a big clue why your child would be passed over, assuming your child exhibits similar characteristics and tendencies. You, simply, are not elite college material. Your child probably is not, either.

Lol, my kid’s doing just fine, thank you.

I don’t believe you. Your seething resentment and raging inferiority complex suggests otherwise.

Who cares what an anonymous poster with a leftist agenda thinks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you can see how being Asian Am. is a strike against your child when it comes to some college admissions.

The only way around this is:
1. apply to a university that has low Asian Am. numbers
2. your kid has to bust his/her a$$ to not only get stellar grades/scores, but also have amazing e.c., solve world hunger, and cure cancer.

The other option is to choose a good state university that doesn't look at race. This is what I'm telling my kids to do.

My half Asian children are smart, in a magnet program, and they do have e.c.; one loves performing arts. Even so, their background is a strike against them when applying to certain universities.

I am assuming the poster not an Asian

I recommend Asians to give a look to SLACs where they will be valued more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you can see how being Asian Am. is a strike against your child when it comes to some college admissions.

The only way around this is:
1. apply to a university that has low Asian Am. numbers
2. your kid has to bust his/her a$$ to not only get stellar grades/scores, but also have amazing e.c., solve world hunger, and cure cancer.

The other option is to choose a good state university that doesn't look at race. This is what I'm telling my kids to do.

My half Asian children are smart, in a magnet program, and they do have e.c.; one loves performing arts. Even so, their background is a strike against them when applying to certain universities.

This is good advice. Love your in state option and make sure your dc knows it is just fine to go to UMD etc. Top 20 is tough for Asian kids especially Ivies. For perspective 7% of Asian American students have SAT scores above 1500. In a magnet program everyone has SAT scores above 1500. It is really hard to stand out and many Asian American students don’t have the kind of hooks elite schools like (parents who attended as undergraduates, recruited athletes, first generation college student etc.).
For what it’s worth OP my ds was upfront about his Asian heritage. He was not going to hide it and certainly never going to lie about it. He just hoped that whoever read his file would do so without prejudice. He got into great schools (not top 20) and decided to attend UMD. He has many bright, high achieving, creative, social, funny caring Asian American kids who will be joining him. These kids don’t see themselves as two dimensional. Frankly my main concern as a parent isn’t that my child might get shut out of an Ivy I am more concerned that they might internalize the negative stereotypes about high achieving Asian American students as preppers, introverted, lacking in creativity and intellectual curiosity etc. That can be very damaging for a young person.

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Would you be okay with job applicants of certain racial backgrounds being less likely to get jobs than equally qualified candidates of different backgrounds because the company desires diverse employees? I'm not necessarily arguing against what you're saying. Just curious.

Not the PP, but yes, I would be comfortable with the following: Two equally qualified candidates, one of whom is demographically similar to existing staff, and one of whom represents an identity not currently represented. The latter gets the job on the basis of bringing a new perspective, which can only be good for business.

To be more concrete, let’s say 1 is a Jew and 1 Indian American (or Black, or Hispanic...) Because 2% Jews are are already over represented at Harvard, you would pick against the Jewish student.

If all else is equal, then yes, you should choose the one from the underrepresented group. Was this question supposed to be some kind of a gotcha? -a Jewish person

Who said “all else being equal?” The H lawsuit presupposes Asians with superior stats.

Stats aren’t everything. That’s the thing. And where the Tiger mommies go wrong.

Stats aren’t everything cuz it’s “holistic.” That’s where H goes wrong. All their URM grads are holding less than perfect sheepskin cuz stats aren’t everything. It’s “holistic” where the society at large evaluate their URM graduates who can’t perform as well as UCLA or UC Berkeley grads.

Well, your behavior in this thread and the demonstration of the poor way in which you think is a big clue why your child would be passed over, assuming your child exhibits similar characteristics and tendencies. You, simply, are not elite college material. Your child probably is not, either.

Lol, my kid’s doing just fine, thank you.

I don’t believe you. Your seething resentment and raging inferiority complex suggests otherwise.

Don’t worry about other kids. Just take care of your own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you can see how being Asian Am. is a strike against your child when it comes to some college admissions.

The only way around this is:
1. apply to a university that has low Asian Am. numbers
2. your kid has to bust his/her a$$ to not only get stellar grades/scores, but also have amazing e.c., solve world hunger, and cure cancer.

The other option is to choose a good state university that doesn't look at race. This is what I'm telling my kids to do.

My half Asian children are smart, in a magnet program, and they do have e.c.; one loves performing arts. Even so, their background is a strike against them when applying to certain universities.

This is good advice. Love your in state option and make sure your dc knows it is just fine to go to UMD etc. Top 20 is tough for Asian kids especially Ivies. For perspective 7% of Asian American students have SAT scores above 1500. In a magnet program everyone has SAT scores above 1500. It is really hard to stand out and many Asian American students don’t have the kind of hooks elite schools like (parents who attended as undergraduates, recruited athletes, first generation college student etc.).
For what it’s worth OP my ds was upfront about his Asian heritage. He was not going to hide it and certainly never going to lie about it. He just hoped that whoever read his file would do so without prejudice. He got into great schools (not top 20) and decided to attend UMD. He has many bright, high achieving, creative, social, funny caring Asian American kids who will be joining him. These kids don’t see themselves as two dimensional. Frankly my main concern as a parent isn’t that my child might get shut out of an Ivy I am more concerned that they might internalize the negative stereotypes about high achieving Asian American students as preppers, introverted, lacking in creativity and intellectual curiosity etc. That can be very damaging for a young person.

I believe Asians students with high stats who focus less on IVs and more on slacs will have a very good outcome.

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Would you be okay with job applicants of certain racial backgrounds being less likely to get jobs than equally qualified candidates of different backgrounds because the company desires diverse employees? I'm not necessarily arguing against what you're saying. Just curious.

Not the PP, but yes, I would be comfortable with the following: Two equally qualified candidates, one of whom is demographically similar to existing staff, and one of whom represents an identity not currently represented. The latter gets the job on the basis of bringing a new perspective, which can only be good for business.

To be more concrete, let’s say 1 is a Jew and 1 Indian American (or Black, or Hispanic...) Because 2% Jews are are already over represented at Harvard, you would pick against the Jewish student.

If all else is equal, then yes, you should choose the one from the underrepresented group. Was this question supposed to be some kind of a gotcha? -a Jewish person

Who said “all else being equal?” The H lawsuit presupposes Asians with superior stats.

Stats aren’t everything. That’s the thing. And where the Tiger mommies go wrong.

Stats aren’t everything cuz it’s “holistic.” That’s where H goes wrong. All their URM grads are holding less than perfect sheepskin cuz stats aren’t everything. It’s “holistic” where the society at large evaluate their URM graduates who can’t perform as well as UCLA or UC Berkeley grads.

Well, your behavior in this thread and the demonstration of the poor way in which you think is a big clue why your child would be passed over, assuming your child exhibits similar characteristics and tendencies. You, simply, are not elite college material. Your child probably is not, either.

Lol, my kid’s doing just fine, thank you.

I don’t believe you. Your seething resentment and raging inferiority complex suggests otherwise.

Who cares what an anonymous poster with a leftist agenda thinks?

A lot of people. I am smarter than you and a better person than you. I am superior to you. Therefore people generally consider my comments to be of higher value than your inanities.

[Anonymous]

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Would you be okay with job applicants of certain racial backgrounds being less likely to get jobs than equally qualified candidates of different backgrounds because the company desires diverse employees? I'm not necessarily arguing against what you're saying. Just curious.

Not the PP, but yes, I would be comfortable with the following: Two equally qualified candidates, one of whom is demographically similar to existing staff, and one of whom represents an identity not currently represented. The latter gets the job on the basis of bringing a new perspective, which can only be good for business.

To be more concrete, let’s say 1 is a Jew and 1 Indian American (or Black, or Hispanic...) Because 2% Jews are are already over represented at Harvard, you would pick against the Jewish student.

If all else is equal, then yes, you should choose the one from the underrepresented group. Was this question supposed to be some kind of a gotcha? -a Jewish person

Who said “all else being equal?” The H lawsuit presupposes Asians with superior stats.

Stats aren’t everything. That’s the thing. And where the Tiger mommies go wrong.

Stats aren’t everything cuz it’s “holistic.” That’s where H goes wrong. All their URM grads are holding less than perfect sheepskin cuz stats aren’t everything. It’s “holistic” where the society at large evaluate their URM graduates who can’t perform as well as UCLA or UC Berkeley grads.

Well, your behavior in this thread and the demonstration of the poor way in which you think is a big clue why your child would be passed over, assuming your child exhibits similar characteristics and tendencies. You, simply, are not elite college material. Your child probably is not, either.

Lol, my kid’s doing just fine, thank you.

I don’t believe you. Your seething resentment and raging inferiority complex suggests otherwise.

Who cares what an anonymous poster with a leftist agenda thinks?

A lot of people. I am smarter than you and a better person than you. I am superior to you. Therefore people generally consider my comments to be of higher value than your inanities.

I’ll take this as your sense of humor attempt during the time of coronavirus lockdown. This lockdown can be hard on anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you can see how being Asian Am. is a strike against your child when it comes to some college admissions.

The only way around this is:
1. apply to a university that has low Asian Am. numbers
2. your kid has to bust his/her a$$ to not only get stellar grades/scores, but also have amazing e.c., solve world hunger, and cure cancer.

The other option is to choose a good state university that doesn't look at race. This is what I'm telling my kids to do.

My half Asian children are smart, in a magnet program, and they do have e.c.; one loves performing arts. Even so, their background is a strike against them when applying to certain universities.

I am assuming the poster not an Asian

I recommend Asians to give a look to SLACs where they will be valued more.

? I'm the ^PP. I am Asian. And yes I said something similar in point #1 above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you can see how being Asian Am. is a strike against your child when it comes to some college admissions.

The only way around this is:
1. apply to a university that has low Asian Am. numbers
2. your kid has to bust his/her a$$ to not only get stellar grades/scores, but also have amazing e.c., solve world hunger, and cure cancer.

The other option is to choose a good state university that doesn't look at race. This is what I'm telling my kids to do.

My half Asian children are smart, in a magnet program, and they do have e.c.; one loves performing arts. Even so, their background is a strike against them when applying to certain universities.

This is good advice. Love your in state option and make sure your dc knows it is just fine to go to UMD etc. Top 20 is tough for Asian kids especially Ivies. For perspective 7% of Asian American students have SAT scores above 1500. In a magnet program everyone has SAT scores above 1500. It is really hard to stand out and many Asian American students don’t have the kind of hooks elite schools like (parents who attended as undergraduates, recruited athletes, first generation college student etc.).
For what it’s worth OP my ds was upfront about his Asian heritage. He was not going to hide it and certainly never going to lie about it. He just hoped that whoever read his file would do so without prejudice. He got into great schools (not top 20) and decided to attend UMD. He has many bright, high achieving, creative, social, funny caring Asian American kids who will be joining him. These kids don’t see themselves as two dimensional. Frankly my main concern as a parent isn’t that my child might get shut out of an Ivy I am more concerned that they might internalize the negative stereotypes about high achieving Asian American students as preppers, introverted, lacking in creativity and intellectual curiosity etc. That can be very damaging for a young person.

I believe Asians students with high stats who focus less on IVs and more on slacs will have a very good outcome.

IMO, the problem is that many want to major in something like CS, and SLACS aren't really known for their stellar CS programs.

Also, even within SLACS, it depends on the program. My niece, who is Asian, wanted to major in Bio at a great SLAC. There are lots of Asian female Bio majors in these SLACS.

Basically, you either have to major in something that's not popular within this group or go to a univ. that doesn't look at race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you can see how being Asian Am. is a strike against your child when it comes to some college admissions.

The only way around this is:
1. apply to a university that has low Asian Am. numbers
2. your kid has to bust his/her a$$ to not only get stellar grades/scores, but also have amazing e.c., solve world hunger, and cure cancer.

The other option is to choose a good state university that doesn't look at race. This is what I'm telling my kids to do.

My half Asian children are smart, in a magnet program, and they do have e.c.; one loves performing arts. Even so, their background is a strike against them when applying to certain universities.

This is good advice. Love your in state option and make sure your dc knows it is just fine to go to UMD etc. Top 20 is tough for Asian kids especially Ivies. For perspective 7% of Asian American students have SAT scores above 1500. In a magnet program everyone has SAT scores above 1500. It is really hard to stand out and many Asian American students don’t have the kind of hooks elite schools like (parents who attended as undergraduates, recruited athletes, first generation college student etc.).
For what it’s worth OP my ds was upfront about his Asian heritage. He was not going to hide it and certainly never going to lie about it. He just hoped that whoever read his file would do so without prejudice. He got into great schools (not top 20) and decided to attend UMD. He has many bright, high achieving, creative, social, funny caring Asian American kids who will be joining him. These kids don’t see themselves as two dimensional. Frankly my main concern as a parent isn’t that my child might get shut out of an Ivy I am more concerned that they might internalize the negative stereotypes about high achieving Asian American students as preppers, introverted, lacking in creativity and intellectual curiosity etc. That can be very damaging for a young person.

I believe Asians students with high stats who focus less on IVs and more on slacs will have a very good outcome.

IMO, the problem is that many want to major in something like CS, and SLACS aren't really known for their stellar CS programs.

Also, even within SLACS, it depends on the program. My niece, who is Asian, wanted to major in Bio at a great SLAC. There are lots of Asian female Bio majors in these SLACS.

Basically, you either have to major in something that's not popular within this group or go to a univ. that doesn't look at race.

CS is usually taught at SLACs. And they do a better job IMO. They are not usually “impacted” like they are at UC schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is also at TJ, not that matters. I have always wondered why Indian doesn't count as Asian by the racial bean counters. Personally, I think the only appropriate answer to racial questions is "F you."

+1

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you can see how being Asian Am. is a strike against your child when it comes to some college admissions.

The only way around this is:
1. apply to a university that has low Asian Am. numbers
2. your kid has to bust his/her a$$ to not only get stellar grades/scores, but also have amazing e.c., solve world hunger, and cure cancer.

The other option is to choose a good state university that doesn't look at race. This is what I'm telling my kids to do.

My half Asian children are smart, in a magnet program, and they do have e.c.; one loves performing arts. Even so, their background is a strike against them when applying to certain universities.

This is good advice. Love your in state option and make sure your dc knows it is just fine to go to UMD etc. Top 20 is tough for Asian kids especially Ivies. For perspective 7% of Asian American students have SAT scores above 1500. In a magnet program everyone has SAT scores above 1500. It is really hard to stand out and many Asian American students don’t have the kind of hooks elite schools like (parents who attended as undergraduates, recruited athletes, first generation college student etc.).
For what it’s worth OP my ds was upfront about his Asian heritage. He was not going to hide it and certainly never going to lie about it. He just hoped that whoever read his file would do so without prejudice. He got into great schools (not top 20) and decided to attend UMD. He has many bright, high achieving, creative, social, funny caring Asian American kids who will be joining him. These kids don’t see themselves as two dimensional. Frankly my main concern as a parent isn’t that my child might get shut out of an Ivy I am more concerned that they might internalize the negative stereotypes about high achieving Asian American students as preppers, introverted, lacking in creativity and intellectual curiosity etc. That can be very damaging for a young person.

I believe Asians students with high stats who focus less on IVs and more on slacs will have a very good outcome.

IMO, the problem is that many want to major in something like CS, and SLACS aren't really known for their stellar CS programs.

Also, even within SLACS, it depends on the program. My niece, who is Asian, wanted to major in Bio at a great SLAC. There are lots of Asian female Bio majors in these SLACS.

Basically, you either have to major in something that's not popular within this group or go to a univ. that doesn't look at race.

CS is usually taught at SLACs. And they do a better job IMO. They are not usually “impacted” like they are at UC schools.

And the added bonus is that you don’t need to go to Harvard to be a CS major. That’s almost an overkill as H is not necessarily known for computer science. That’s like going to Harvard to be a nurse practitioner. A CS major is in demand from any school.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s so sad that an Asian kid feels the need to hide identity because of discrimination. I’m white and I’m very empathetic to this. I’m sorry OP.

There is nothing inherently wrong with discrimination. When you choose a salad as your side, you discriminate against the French fries. That isn’t the issue.

I have no problem with colleges that desire a diverse student body effectively putting a cap on how many students of a similar background they will accept.

So you see nothing wrong with Harvard in the old days capping Jewish students to 2%

Nope. That’s about the proportion to society, right?

Right.

Tell me, oh Wise. How about the NFL and NBA? We need 2% Jewish players proportional to society?

And I’m 5’2” white women. I’m discriminated against in NBA.

You're not discriminated against in the WNBA, you will simply fail to meet the requirements. Asian American students do not fail to meet the requirements, they overwhelmingly exceed them.

Most people applying to top institutions are qualified. The act of admissions is inherently discriminatory. That doesn’t make it wrong or illegal.

If there is a basketball tryout where a white kid is ripping up the court while an Asian kid is barely making the the minimum, and the coach ends up picking the Asian kid because there are already too many white kids on the team, that's discriminatory.

Terrible analogy. Everyone applying to Harvard has the stats. To make this analogy, everyone at basketball tryouts is equally good.

And yes, the final selection is at the coach’s discretion. Which is inherently discriminatory. So what. It doesn’t mean anything wrong happened. It means the coach made a choice.

Everyone applying and accepted to Harvard quite clearly does not have the stats considering Harvard's bottom 25% of SAT scores. These are the students that are selected due to legacy, donor, sports and being non-Asian.

So no, everyone at the basketball tryout is never equally good. Everyone might meet the lowest bar, but they aren't the top performing and neither are they the most well-rounded in extracurriculars, as Asian Am. applicants are.

[Anonymous]

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Would you be okay with job applicants of certain racial backgrounds being less likely to get jobs than equally qualified candidates of different backgrounds because the company desires diverse employees? I'm not necessarily arguing against what you're saying. Just curious.

Not the PP, but yes, I would be comfortable with the following: Two equally qualified candidates, one of whom is demographically similar to existing staff, and one of whom represents an identity not currently represented. The latter gets the job on the basis of bringing a new perspective, which can only be good for business.

To be more concrete, let’s say 1 is a Jew and 1 Indian American (or Black, or Hispanic...) Because 2% Jews are are already over represented at Harvard, you would pick against the Jewish student.

If all else is equal, then yes, you should choose the one from the underrepresented group. Was this question supposed to be some kind of a gotcha? -a Jewish person

Who said “all else being equal?” The H lawsuit presupposes Asians with superior stats.

Stats aren’t everything. That’s the thing. And where the Tiger mommies go wrong.

These Asians don't only have higher stats, they have higher leadership and extracurriculars as well.

So stats, leadership and extracurriculars are not everything, what remains is $ and race.