Electric - Which - Not Tesla

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Anonymous wrote:I want the new Ford truck

It will be interesting to see if this is adopted by the guys who typically drive trucks. They looooooooooove to b#tch about gas prices, but I think they may have ideological misgivings about an all-electric workhorse pick-up truck. Will the guy who thinks rollin' coal on a Prius is a funny weekend activity be open to an electric truck?

The marketing for these trucks will need to be very, very careful. They really are trying to thread the needle with this crowd.

I think the "ideological misgivings" are overstated. I mean, say you're a contractor. "This truck is not only your current favorite truck, the F-150, but it can also charge all of your tools and power an entire house for several days" doesn't really have any drawbacks. Or say you're a rancher. "This truck is still an F-150, but instead of needing to drive to town once a week for gas when you really primarily drive your truck on your farm, you just plug it in every night" is a good thing. Or -- if like 90% of people who own trucks -- you're a suburbanite who just likes the vibe, you still get a truck, only it's more fun to drive because of the EV acceleration and torque. Oh and it also has a waterproof, lockable place to store crap in the "frunk" that no truck has ever had before.

Completely agree. There may be a very small minority of people who just refuse to buy anything electric because they think it's Communist or whatever, but this truck better performance than a gas version and is cheaper to keep charged and maintain. And it's being sold by Ford, a brand people are already strongly loyal to.

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Anonymous wrote:There are no EV’s on the horizon with a range of more than 300 miles. That will be the next technological hurdle, and the industry just isn’t there yet. I’m out for at least five years.

Same here. For now my compromise is that I have a plug in hybrid, which I love. It has about a 20-mile all-electric range, and so I can do most of my routine driving on electric (charging overnight) but have a good range for road trips.

Cyber truck range is 500 miles?

Cybertruck is 500 mile range but not out yet. Will come out this fall, maybe.

My 2018 model S P100D has 315 mile range. Performance models have a lower range but worth it for the acceleration of 2.28 sec 0 to 60. Faster than most Ferraris, Lamborghini...

The 2020 model S long range plus has a range of 402 miles.

The Model S plaid + will have a range of 520 miles. It was suppose to come out fall 2022. The roadster which is supposed to come out also fall 2022 will have a range of 620 miles. They will be the fastest production cars ever with 0 to 60 in 1.9 sec.

Could be more like 600+ range...

https://insideevs.com/news/387299/tesla-cybertruck-range-620-miles/

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Have a Honda hybrid, the Clarity. Is plug in. Far prefer this to all electric at this point in time - if need to evacuate or do long trip in emergency, the all hybrid vehicles won’t get you there. Only draw back is relatively small fuel tank on long road trips, but not a big deal.

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Looks like the subsidy for Ev’s is going to go up to a max of 12K. If this moves forward Tesla’s will again be eligible. For about 10k. You will only get the full 12k if your car is manufactured in a union factory in the u.s.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a Honda hybrid, the Clarity. Is plug in. Far prefer this to all electric at this point in time - if need to evacuate or do long trip in emergency, the all hybrid vehicles won’t get you there. Only draw back is relatively small fuel tank on long road trips, but not a big deal.

What do you mean "all hybrid"? Hybrid vehicles have gas engines along with electric, correct?

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Anonymous wrote:Have a Honda hybrid, the Clarity. Is plug in. Far prefer this to all electric at this point in time - if need to evacuate or do long trip in emergency, the all hybrid vehicles won’t get you there. Only draw back is relatively small fuel tank on long road trips, but not a big deal.

What do you mean "all hybrid"? Hybrid vehicles have gas engines along with electric, correct?

I misspoke, should have said “all electric” as in start of sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a Honda hybrid, the Clarity. Is plug in. Far prefer this to all electric at this point in time - if need to evacuate or do long trip in emergency, the all hybrid vehicles won’t get you there. Only draw back is relatively small fuel tank on long road trips, but not a big deal.

If you need to evacuate in an emergency, I'm not sure why you're assuming it'll be any easier to get gas than it will be to get electricity. New all-electric vehicles can get you more than 200 miles with an 80 percent charge (which is the max they recommend keeping it at) -- there's plenty of places to re-charge quickly somewhere within 200 miles of here, and if the entire electric grid in the region is shut down, I wouldn't bet on gas being easy to find, either.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a Honda hybrid, the Clarity. Is plug in. Far prefer this to all electric at this point in time - if need to evacuate or do long trip in emergency, the all hybrid vehicles won’t get you there. Only draw back is relatively small fuel tank on long road trips, but not a big deal.

If you need to evacuate in an emergency, I'm not sure why you're assuming it'll be any easier to get gas than it will be to get electricity. New all-electric vehicles can get you more than 200 miles with an 80 percent charge (which is the max they recommend keeping it at) -- there's plenty of places to re-charge quickly somewhere within 200 miles of here, and if the entire electric grid in the region is shut down, I wouldn't bet on gas being easy to find, either.

DP. When the derecho hit and there were massive power outages we still were able to get gas. We just had to pay by cash.

For the foreseeable future, we will always have one gas and one electric car to cover all bases. And cash on hand. 😁

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Anonymous wrote:Have a Honda hybrid, the Clarity. Is plug in. Far prefer this to all electric at this point in time - if need to evacuate or do long trip in emergency, the all hybrid vehicles won’t get you there. Only draw back is relatively small fuel tank on long road trips, but not a big deal.

If you need to evacuate in an emergency, I'm not sure why you're assuming it'll be any easier to get gas than it will be to get electricity. New all-electric vehicles can get you more than 200 miles with an 80 percent charge (which is the max they recommend keeping it at) -- there's plenty of places to re-charge quickly somewhere within 200 miles of here, and if the entire electric grid in the region is shut down, I wouldn't bet on gas being easy to find, either.

DP. When the derecho hit and there were massive power outages we still were able to get gas. We just had to pay by cash.

For the foreseeable future, we will always have one gas and one electric car to cover all bases. And cash on hand. 😁

Fair enough -- we had enough gas in our car during the derecho that we didn't need to fill up again until after things had gotten back to normal. We have one ICE and one EV car now, but I also think it's likely that there'd be a way to charge your car if needed in most emergencies, except in situations that are so extreme that either a car won't help or that neither one will have a huge edge unless you're paying outrageous rates in cash for gas.

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lol people are talking about derechos and the coming apocalypse and whether ice or electric is better. The reality is much more basic - if I drive to Virginia Beach on most electrics I have to stress the whole time about deviating from my path to find a charging station, pray there isn't a big line, and best case scenario sit there for 30-45 minutes. I also have to do this on the way back. A 3.5 hour trip becomes a 4.5 hour trip plus a bunch of additional worry. No thanks. Someday electric technology will be "ready" and that day is when cars can charge in 10 minutes or less and go 300-400 miles AND not be crappily made and boring (looking at you Tesla). That day is not here yet, but when it comes I will gladly buy one

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Anonymous wrote:lol people are talking about derechos and the coming apocalypse and whether ice or electric is better. The reality is much more basic - if I drive to Virginia Beach on most electrics I have to stress the whole time about deviating from my path to find a charging station, pray there isn't a big line, and best case scenario sit there for 30-45 minutes. I also have to do this on the way back. A 3.5 hour trip becomes a 4.5 hour trip plus a bunch of additional worry. No thanks. Someday electric technology will be "ready" and that day is when cars can charge in 10 minutes or less and go 300-400 miles AND not be crappily made and boring (looking at you Tesla). That day is not here yet, but when it comes I will gladly buy one

+1. My friends with EVs are like, "it's so easy! When we want to drive to the mountains or the beach, the nav system will direct you to the nearest charging station along the way, and you just spend an hour or so there, and then you're all set! You get back on your way!" Like, I have no interest in adding 45 minutes to a 4-5 hour trip to charge.

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Anonymous wrote:lol people are talking about derechos and the coming apocalypse and whether ice or electric is better. The reality is much more basic - if I drive to Virginia Beach on most electrics I have to stress the whole time about deviating from my path to find a charging station, pray there isn't a big line, and best case scenario sit there for 30-45 minutes. I also have to do this on the way back. A 3.5 hour trip becomes a 4.5 hour trip plus a bunch of additional worry. No thanks. Someday electric technology will be "ready" and that day is when cars can charge in 10 minutes or less and go 300-400 miles AND not be crappily made and boring (looking at you Tesla). That day is not here yet, but when it comes I will gladly buy one

+1. My friends with EVs are like, "it's so easy! When we want to drive to the mountains or the beach, the nav system will direct you to the nearest charging station along the way, and you just spend an hour or so there, and then you're all set! You get back on your way!" Like, I have no interest in adding 45 minutes to a 4-5 hour trip to charge.

To the previous poster, about going to VA Beach, pretty much every WAWA now how has Tesla superchargers, and so do many national chain stores that are close to highway. You don’t really need to hunt for them. Also the state run rest stops on 64 have them, and 90% of the time they aren’t being used.

To PP we do long road trips in our Tesla all the time. It takes max 40 min to get back to a full charge and that is only if you let it get really low. By the time we get out go to bathroom/grab food/eat it is typically done. Parents live in Hilton Head and having an EV hasn’t really added any time to our trip there, one charge/stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a Honda hybrid, the Clarity. Is plug in. Far prefer this to all electric at this point in time - if need to evacuate or do long trip in emergency, the all hybrid vehicles won’t get you there. Only draw back is relatively small fuel tank on long road trips, but not a big deal.

If you need to evacuate in an emergency, I'm not sure why you're assuming it'll be any easier to get gas than it will be to get electricity. New all-electric vehicles can get you more than 200 miles with an 80 percent charge (which is the max they recommend keeping it at) -- there's plenty of places to re-charge quickly somewhere within 200 miles of here, and if the entire electric grid in the region is shut down, I wouldn't bet on gas being easy to find, either.

DP. When the derecho hit and there were massive power outages we still were able to get gas. We just had to pay by cash.

For the foreseeable future, we will always have one gas and one electric car to cover all bases. And cash on hand. 😁

^ we also rarely use the EV (Tesla) for road trips but would have during the recent gas “shortage” if we had to go anywhere. I hate stopping for any length of time so I find recharging super annoying.

As the range gets longer or charge times gets shorter I’d be more inclined to take the EV.

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Model 3 for 29k after tax credit that is getting passed is the best deal in the history of new cars

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Anonymous wrote:lol people are talking about derechos and the coming apocalypse and whether ice or electric is better. The reality is much more basic - if I drive to Virginia Beach on most electrics I have to stress the whole time about deviating from my path to find a charging station, pray there isn't a big line, and best case scenario sit there for 30-45 minutes. I also have to do this on the way back. A 3.5 hour trip becomes a 4.5 hour trip plus a bunch of additional worry. No thanks. Someday electric technology will be "ready" and that day is when cars can charge in 10 minutes or less and go 300-400 miles AND not be crappily made and boring (looking at you Tesla). That day is not here yet, but when it comes I will gladly buy one

+1. My friends with EVs are like, "it's so easy! When we want to drive to the mountains or the beach, the nav system will direct you to the nearest charging station along the way, and you just spend an hour or so there, and then you're all set! You get back on your way!" Like, I have no interest in adding 45 minutes to a 4-5 hour trip to charge.

My Tesla has a 325 mile range, which can go almost five highway hours without charging. Stopping for 15 minutes to use the bathroom or grab a snack normally gets me an additional 100 miles of range.
More than enough range for 99% of the driving I do.