Electric - Which - Not Tesla

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Anonymous wrote:There are no EV’s on the horizon with a range of more than 300 miles. That will be the next technological hurdle, and the industry just isn’t there yet. I’m out for at least five years.

Same here. For now my compromise is that I have a plug in hybrid, which I love. It has about a 20-mile all-electric range, and so I can do most of my routine driving on electric (charging overnight) but have a good range for road trips.

Cyber truck range is 500 miles?

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Anonymous wrote:We've got the Tesla 3 and it was cheap and drives really well. There's a few things that irritate me about it (mostly related to it not having any regular buttons for things like the a/c or wipers), but Tesla really did a great job with spreading those supercharger stations around the country and it's really easy to find one either on your phone or through the car's navigational system. It even tells you if they are in use or open so you don't end up driving someplace with no open chargers. I think it's comfortable too.

If you want a really basic cheap electric, it seems like the Volt is the current choice. But the Tesla 3 is a great mid-range option. And so much storage space. We've had no tech issues, the software upgrades are automatic, and the technicians come right to your house for any service.

What price did you consider “cheap”.

The Volt is not all electric and is no longer made. Did you mean Bolt?

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Anonymous wrote:There are no EV’s on the horizon with a range of more than 300 miles. That will be the next technological hurdle, and the industry just isn’t there yet. I’m out for at least five years.

Same here. For now my compromise is that I have a plug in hybrid, which I love. It has about a 20-mile all-electric range, and so I can do most of my routine driving on electric (charging overnight) but have a good range for road trips.

Which one do you have? I'm considering the Kia Niro PEHV. I have a 75 miles RT commute and no where to plug in at work. There really isn't the electric plug in infastructure where I live yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I am struggling with this too. We are deciding between the Tesla, Niro and Kona and plan to test drive this weekend. I guess I am basically deciding whether the improved driving/experience of the Tesla is worth giving up the 7500 tax credit.

It seems like there are so many electric cars on the horizon that have a supposed 2020/2021 release date, but it also seems like the cars aren't coming out when they are supposed to. I want to keep waiting for some of the proposed VW and Volvo models but I have no idea if they are actually going to come out when they say they are (looking at you Subaru Crosstrek EV)

Got the 2021 Kona - don't regret it for a minute. A dream to drive.

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PP-l'm the poster above considering the Niro PHEV. I believe it has a $4500 tax credit. I don't know about the others.

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Anonymous wrote:I want an EV for green reasons but there are no EVs out right now that appeal to me at all. The PP who mentioned Subaru is right in line with me: I want a safe reliable crossover SUV like I have now, but EV.

The Leaf and Bolt are too small; Tesla is too weird and has concerning safety issues. I don't want a sports car, or a statement car: I want a workhorse family car.

I'm going to wait it out with my battered, paid-off ICE car. Hopefully the offerings will improve.

Don't dismiss Tesla so fast. The Model Y is exactly what you describe. We had an X but I hated the falcon doors, traded it for a Y which is just a bit smaller. I absolutely love it. We also have a 3 and love that too. The best cars ever.

Teslas have just so much plastic - if you want a luxury electric car, the Tesla isn't it, even though the pricing is entry level luxury. I don't want to be looking at the center console to see how fast I'm going. There also are some questionable safety aspects (can you get out of the backseat of your Y if you lose power in an accident?)

Yes, of course you can get out without power.
An you're not staring at the center console for speed, it's at the upper left of the screen, which is well within your peripheral vision. It takes you about five minutes to get used to.

Research the way you can get out of the backseat without power on the Y. There’s no way you can do that in an accident - and there is no option at all on the Model 3.

And yep, still all plastic.

You are 100% wrong. All doors on both the 3 and the Y have emergency door latches right next to the normal exit button that can be used if there is no power.
If you don’t like the Teslas, that’s fine. But making up lies about them is just plain weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I want an EV for green reasons but there are no EVs out right now that appeal to me at all. The PP who mentioned Subaru is right in line with me: I want a safe reliable crossover SUV like I have now, but EV.

The Leaf and Bolt are too small; Tesla is too weird and has concerning safety issues. I don't want a sports car, or a statement car: I want a workhorse family car.

I'm going to wait it out with my battered, paid-off ICE car. Hopefully the offerings will improve.

Don't dismiss Tesla so fast. The Model Y is exactly what you describe. We had an X but I hated the falcon doors, traded it for a Y which is just a bit smaller. I absolutely love it. We also have a 3 and love that too. The best cars ever.

Teslas have just so much plastic - if you want a luxury electric car, the Tesla isn't it, even though the pricing is entry level luxury. I don't want to be looking at the center console to see how fast I'm going. There also are some questionable safety aspects (can you get out of the backseat of your Y if you lose power in an accident?)

Yes, of course you can get out without power.
An you're not staring at the center console for speed, it's at the upper left of the screen, which is well within your peripheral vision. It takes you about five minutes to get used to.

Research the way you can get out of the backseat without power on the Y. There’s no way you can do that in an accident - and there is no option at all on the Model 3.

And yep, still all plastic.

You are 100% wrong. All doors on both the 3 and the Y have emergency door latches right next to the normal exit button that can be used if there is no power.
If you don’t like the Teslas, that’s fine. But making up lies about them is just plain weird.

Yes, that is true for the front seat. But not the rear - this is a well known flaw. Just Google it.

https://www.donga.com/en/article/all/20201217/2306047/1

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I’m super happy with my i3 REX. It’s a great city car and the scooter motor can keep the battery charged on long trips in areas where there isn’t DC fast charging.

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This new Nissan (not a Leaf) may be a game changer!

https://youtu.be/oviNi4mpMG8

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Anonymous wrote:There are no EV’s on the horizon with a range of more than 300 miles. That will be the next technological hurdle, and the industry just isn’t there yet. I’m out for at least five years.

Same here. For now my compromise is that I have a plug in hybrid, which I love. It has about a 20-mile all-electric range, and so I can do most of my routine driving on electric (charging overnight) but have a good range for road trips.

Cyber truck range is 500 miles?

Cybertruck is 500 mile range but not out yet. Will come out this fall, maybe.

My 2018 model S P100D has 315 mile range. Performance models have a lower range but worth it for the acceleration of 2.28 sec 0 to 60. Faster than most Ferraris, Lamborghini...

The 2020 model S long range plus has a range of 402 miles.

The Model S plaid + will have a range of 520 miles. It was suppose to come out fall 2022. The roadster which is supposed to come out also fall 2022 will have a range of 620 miles. They will be the fastest production cars ever with 0 to 60 in 1.9 sec.

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The mustang mach-e is being sold now with a 300 mile range and the Hyundai Ioniq 5 is coming this fall with a 300 mile range.

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I want the new Ford truck

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Anonymous wrote:I want the new Ford truck

It will be interesting to see if this is adopted by the guys who typically drive trucks. They looooooooooove to b#tch about gas prices, but I think they may have ideological misgivings about an all-electric workhorse pick-up truck. Will the guy who thinks rollin' coal on a Prius is a funny weekend activity be open to an electric truck?

The marketing for these trucks will need to be very, very careful. They really are trying to thread the needle with this crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:I want the new Ford truck

It will be interesting to see if this is adopted by the guys who typically drive trucks. They looooooooooove to b#tch about gas prices, but I think they may have ideological misgivings about an all-electric workhorse pick-up truck. Will the guy who thinks rollin' coal on a Prius is a funny weekend activity be open to an electric truck?

The marketing for these trucks will need to be very, very careful. They really are trying to thread the needle with this crowd.

I think the "ideological misgivings" are overstated. I mean, say you're a contractor. "This truck is not only your current favorite truck, the F-150, but it can also charge all of your tools and power an entire house for several days" doesn't really have any drawbacks. Or say you're a rancher. "This truck is still an F-150, but instead of needing to drive to town once a week for gas when you really primarily drive your truck on your farm, you just plug it in every night" is a good thing. Or -- if like 90% of people who own trucks -- you're a suburbanite who just likes the vibe, you still get a truck, only it's more fun to drive because of the EV acceleration and torque. Oh and it also has a waterproof, lockable place to store crap in the "frunk" that no truck has ever had before.

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Anonymous wrote:I want the new Ford truck

It will be interesting to see if this is adopted by the guys who typically drive trucks. They looooooooooove to b#tch about gas prices, but I think they may have ideological misgivings about an all-electric workhorse pick-up truck. Will the guy who thinks rollin' coal on a Prius is a funny weekend activity be open to an electric truck?

The marketing for these trucks will need to be very, very careful. They really are trying to thread the needle with this crowd.

I think the "ideological misgivings" are overstated. I mean, say you're a contractor. "This truck is not only your current favorite truck, the F-150, but it can also charge all of your tools and power an entire house for several days" doesn't really have any drawbacks. Or say you're a rancher. "This truck is still an F-150, but instead of needing to drive to town once a week for gas when you really primarily drive your truck on your farm, you just plug it in every night" is a good thing. Or -- if like 90% of people who own trucks -- you're a suburbanite who just likes the vibe, you still get a truck, only it's more fun to drive because of the EV acceleration and torque. Oh and it also has a waterproof, lockable place to store crap in the "frunk" that no truck has ever had before.

The f150 electric is priced about 40k before all the dealer incentives add in the $7500 from feds and it is way cheaper vs the gas model. The electric is equivalent to the mid to high end F150. The majority of truck owners rarely haul anything. The thing that will get the market is the 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.